Politics & Stuff

[cosmicway 1,333]

14 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Unlike many leaders Putin, Erdogan and Netanyahu haven't congratulated Biden yet.

Bojo did ?

[11Drogba 2,000]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Bojo did ?

He did yesterday.

[Jap Si. 50]

In my country we laugh at Trump him so clown and fat and cunt and wife whore ha ho,

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25 minutes ago, Jap Si. said:

In my country we laugh at Trump him so clown and fat and cunt and wife whore ha ho,

pretty much sums the piece of dogshit up

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Another Trump 'ally' saying goodbye 

Netanyahu notes 'long & warm personal relationship' with Biden in congratulatory tweet

https://thehill.com/policy/international/525006-netanyahu-notes-long-warm-personal-relationship-with-biden-in

[11Drogba 2,000]

The MAGA folks (the MAGA "tough guys," especially) are asking: "DOES THE PRESIDENT DO HIS OWN MAKEUP?"

[Fernando 6,585]

What happens if it is found that there was fraud in this election? With the mail in ballots?

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

What happens if it is found that there was fraud in this election? With the mail in ballots?

 

Then the 200 or so ballots are removed from the count and we move on. About the same number recounts usually "correct" (in favor of the winning party). 

Again, the crux of the matter is how widespread it is. Trump is claiming, without any proof, that it is the "most widespread fraud ever!" which really does sound like something the whiner in chief would say. You don't change the rules during, much less after you lose the game. 

The problem for the president's strategy of course, is that the loss was a bit heavier than he anticipated. Having to fight legal battles in multiple fronts reduce the odds of succeeding to negligible. Not that I have any sympathy for the strategy though.... he is literally trying to steal the election.

* were the pollsters that wrong in the end? people just don't like him.

[cosmicway 1,333]

A historical case where fraud is supposed to have taken place in Greece was 1961.
In that election the voters of communist EDA were pressurised not to cast their vote in favour of their party but apart from that numerous irregularities were discovered.
And it was not only the communists who complained about fraud, the much more stronger Centre Union under George Papandreou also complained.
In the end double votes were found, street adresses that corresponded to trees and also some 200 people who were supposed to live in the same street number, a tiny hut !
Maybe also results that were counted one way in the election centres and reported the other way by the ministry of the interior where the totals are counted.
But all those things amounted to some 3000 votes  and although the court punished the people responsible for the irregularities, it declared that their number was small
to affect the election as a whole. Papandreou of course did n't like this at all but the result stood.

Then the military  junta of 1967-74 staged two fraudulent referendums with which everyone laughed.
The first one in 1968 junta won 95% of the vote, for a so called new constitution the were drafting. I was told by some people that you had to vote openly, without going
behind a screen. As those people that I knew were leftists I remained in certain doubt though about doing away with the screen as well.
The second referendum was in 1973 again for so called constitutional reforms and the junta "won" by 70% this time (made it look more real).
That time I voted myself and there was this trick: You went behind a screen but there was no waste basket for the reject ballot and the little shelf where you placed your envelope was  scrupulously clean of reject ballots. In effect you had to let the reject ballott -the "no" ballot really- slip visibly to the floor and indeed the floor under my feet was full of reject "no" ballots as well as it was of course visible to the policemen sitting on chairs around the hall. I made the bold move to put the "no" ballot in the envelope and put the "yes" ballot in my pocket and left.

During the same years the elections in neighbouring Albania and Bulgaria were of course farcical affairs. I 'm not sure they were actually calling them elections though.
It rather makes me think Trump is making it all up. These things are impossible in America. And not only are they impossible. it's like Karamanlis shouting against Papandreou in 1961 !

[robsblubot 3,595]

^^ that's interesting and scary stuff there heh

You are right though, election fraud is actually more difficult in the USA for the simple fact it is decentralized. Each state can have its own laws regarding a lot of things, including the election.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Election in US with voter registration, secrecy envelopes and signature checks is incredibly safe comparatively. In Germany all we do is Show our id before we put our vote In a box. Still no fraud here just as there is no fraud in the US. The very  option that ppl are entertaining this bollocks allegation with 0 proof shows that The orange fatty’s disinformation campaign is working. In the end it will be to no avail. Biden will be sworn in as president and the leather ball will go to jail. 

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

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3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

it is all one big scam to take in hundreds of millions of dollars from the MAGAt rubes to pay off the orange bloat's debts

giant slush fund 

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background on this

Ted Cruz Twitter account 'likes' pornographic tweet

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/12/ted-cruz-twitter-account-likes-pornographic-tweet

Married Texas senator, who once defended a ban on sex toys, asked to explain how his account came to like the graphic post

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

An Ovrebo for Trump. Can it happen ?

[Atomiswave 6,118]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

An Ovrebo for Trump. Can it happen ?

It well could, this thing still has plenty legs it seems.

[cosmicway 1,333]

25 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

It well could, this thing still has plenty legs it seems.

Reminds me of Greek league 1964.
It snowed in Athens and we were playing with the snow.
But on Sunday was scheduled the derby match between AEK of Athens and Olympiakos.
By Sunday the weather was ok and the sun was out. There was a little bit of snow in the touchline but the pitch was playable.
So the Olympiakos newspapers come out with the title "Philadelphia stadium - frozen lake".
AEK was in tremendous form and they were beating everyone by 4-0 under Austrian coach Muller.
So the association -which was theirs lock stock and barrel- postpones, indefinitely as well !
But that was not the end of it.
Sunday week was the other derby match, AEK v. Panathinaikos and by that time we had sunny alcyonide days and the snow was gone and forgotten.
Panathinaikos just for the fun of it ask for indefinite postponement and they too get it !
The national football association of Greece is red-green of course since ever.
So if you have the judges on your side you can do whatever you like.

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

10 hours ago, cosmicway said:

An Ovrebo for Trump. Can it happen ?

Are you talking about the election that trump lost (by as much landslide as his win in 2016)? if so, then only if you follow the ridiculous conspiracy theories. And for that, not even the garbage Fox News is would be enough... you'd have to dig deeper into different garbage... Facebook garbage might do.

again, (heavily) *decentralized* is the keyword here. 

Think about it for a second: voters register to vote in a county. The counting is done per county as well, which makes controlling and detecting fraud, esp the significant ones, quite easy and obvious. (e.g. where the numbers come from etc)

Short of a sharp turn into full dictatorship - I once thought this country was more resilient to that (before hitler II came along) - but then elections would become a moot point from now on. Who would bother? Same as voting against Putin in Russia.