MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Fernando said: Yeah those mail in ballots are definitely weird to me. I would definitely like to see some information about that. I reckon even if they were all validated, Biden would still win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Drogba 2,000 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Losing to Obama’s Vice President will do wonders for Trump’s Obama inferiority complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Drogba 2,000 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford on CBS responding to Trump campaign: "This six-page complaint that they filed late last night is, in a word, garbage." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,118 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Dragon Ball Z Man Dragon ball Z.....such good times I had with it when younger, still one of the best anime ever, DBS is great as well. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Fernando said: Yeah those mail in ballots are definitely weird to me. I would definitely like to see some information about that. what's the problem with mail in ballots? they have always been there. Trump is just full of shit trying to raise doubts about the legitimacy of voting by mail to steal the election. 0% truth in that. Trump lost the election fair and square and his efforts to fight against the inevitability of his demise are so far pretty pathetic 11Drogba and robsblubot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: what's the problem with mail in ballots? they have always been there. Trump is just full of shit trying to raise doubts about the legitimacy of voting by mail to steal the election. 0% truth in that. Trump lost the election fair and square and his efforts to fight against the inevitability of his demise are so far pretty pathetic ^^ this! folks seem to be buying the lies from trump.... despite the complete lack of any evidence. There is nothing weird about mail in ballots (some of which were actually in drop boxes) esp in the middle of a pandemic. They are actually more secure than in-person because there is a paper trail with signature! Consider that that's how a lot of military folks vote and some states have been doing that for decades (e.g. CO). The accuser needs to provide proof. That's how things work. Whiner in chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 45 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: what's the problem with mail in ballots? they have always been there. Trump is just full of shit trying to raise doubts about the legitimacy of voting by mail to steal the election. 0% truth in that. Trump lost the election fair and square and his efforts to fight against the inevitability of his demise are so far pretty pathetic Well they have always been sketchy. Take a look at this report from the NY times years ago about this issue. Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html In Florida, absentee-ballot scandals seem to arrive like clockwork around election time. Before this year’s primary, for example, a woman in Hialeah was charged with forging an elderly voter’s signature, a felony, and possessing 31 completed absentee ballots, 29 more than allowed under a local law. Voting by mail also played a crucial role in the 2000 presidential election in Florida, when the margin between George W. Bush and Al Gore was razor thin and hundreds of absentee ballots were counted in apparent violation of state law. The flawed ballots, from Americans living abroad, included some without postmarks, some postmarked after the election, some without witness signatures, some mailed from within the United States and some sent by people who voted twice. All would have been disqualified had the state’s election laws been strictly enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Fernando said: Well they have always been sketchy. Take a look at this report from the NY times years ago about this issue. Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html there is the possibility of fraud everywhere. The crux of the lies by trump is entirely about how widespread it is. Literally an ongoing conspiracy theory by the person most likely to being able to actually carry it out, due to him being president (according to his own administration when used "the amazing powers of the US presidency" as a legal argument several times). Besides, no problem here then since Florida went to trump to avoid "socialist" Biden lol Quote “The problem,” said Murray A. Greenberg, a former county attorney in Miami, “is really with the collection of absentee ballots at the senior citizen centers.” In Florida, people affiliated with political campaigns “help people vote absentee,” he said. “And help is in quotation marks.” Voters in nursing homes can be subjected to subtle pressure, outright intimidation or fraud. The secrecy of their voting is easily compromised. And their ballots can be intercepted both coming and going. and the same article says republicans were more likely to vote by mail (likely including military) and they talk about how Bush won by counting the mail in. Once again, we are in the middle of pandemic, but instead of making mail in voting easier and safer, the president tried to undermine it as a winning strategy. It will fail because his loss will be in multiple fronts. Magic Lamps and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, robsblubot said: there is the possibility of fraud everywhere. The crux of the lies by trump is entirely about how widespread it is. Literally an ongoing conspiracy theory by the person most likely to being able to actually rig the election due to him being president (according to his own administration when used "the amazing powers of the US presidency" as a legal argument several times). Besides, no problem here then since Florida went to trump to avoid "socialist" Biden lol and the same article says republicans were more likely to vote by mail (likely including military) and they talk about how Bush won by counting the mail in. Once again, we are in the middle of pandemic, but instead of making mail in voting easier and safer, the president tried to undermine it as a winning strategy. It will fail because his loss will be in multiple fronts. I have no problem with anyone winning, what I want is transparency, as this mail in ballots give a very bad vibe. Not just for now but for the future as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fernando said: I have no problem with anyone winning, what I want is transparency, as this mail in ballots give a very bad vibe. Not just for now but for the future as well. fair enough. I disagree though, especially in the middle of a pandemic (which is not being handled well in the USA) as I merely think it's a matter of will: to make it work as CO clearly does. The penalty for fraud should be a strong enough deterrent -- it is pretty steep. 11Drogba and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Drogba 2,000 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Can we acknowledge that the attacks on Philly about fraud with zero evidence are based purely on racism? Other cities baseslessly attacked are Detroit & Atlanta. See a pattern. Black people being accused of crimes they didn't commit is not new. It's racism 101. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 US election 2020: Donald Trump's speech fact-checked https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54837926 robsblubot and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Drogba 2,000 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Steve Bannon’s lawyer quits after Bannon calls for Dr. Fauci to be beheaded. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/nyregion/bannon-lawyer-beheading.html Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Vesper said: US election 2020: Donald Trump's speech fact-checked https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54837926 the best one is Trump: "It's amazing how those mail-in ballots are so one-sided too." I hope he's just lying as usual, otherwise the guy is truly a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, 11Drogba said: Steve Bannon’s lawyer quits after Bannon calls for Dr. Fauci to be beheaded. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/nyregion/bannon-lawyer-beheading.html 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I don’t trust fact-checkers at all though , their censorship was pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, lucio said: I don’t trust fact-checkers at all though , their censorship was pathetic BBC fact checkers wo VERIFY everything they show, with validated facts and links, are FAR different than rando debunkers most debunkers are bullshit (the randos, not official world class journos) lucio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 most all of Trumplandia have been taken in hook, line and sinker by utterly delusional conspiracy theories it is so typical of cults of personality it is also classic non linear warfare and reflexive control the insane QANON claptrap is the best (and most dangerous) example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, robsblubot said: the best one is Trump: "It's amazing how those mail-in ballots are so one-sided too." I hope he's just lying as usual, otherwise the guy is truly a moron. both robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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