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[herpthederp 122]

I'm not sure but it might have to do with the fact their original countries keep getting invaded, bombed and intentionally destabilized by those peace loving non-muslim governments.

Who's invading Pakistan?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen in the Internet...

He didn't mention the other side of the problem which is people invading muslim countries. Leading to anger and hatred.

But you can't deny the fact that when it comes to a group of people who don't live peacefully with other people from another tribe, religion, even among themselves, Muslims are number 1 in this aspect because they're easily influenced to be violent. They fight among their fellow Muslims, sunnis, kurdish and shiite's fighting with themselves for whatever reason. Just imagine if catholics are fighting with Anglican or pentecostal churches ... That's how weird it feels..

They need to accept that their ability to be easily brainwashed to doing suicide bombing and carry out acts of violence far more than anyone else is also part of their problem.

Why would I easily be brainwashed by idiots telling me to kill and die so that I get 100 virgins?

All in all, what I'm trying to say is Western influence are part of the problem, because of their hunt for oil resources, but the character of the people can't be ignored.

[manpe 10,861]

After this words:

"We will take refugees if we will know that will be safe for our country"~Konrad Szymański- Minister for European Affairs

European politics said:

What if they bring this violence to us?

Why they dont let us think what we want?

You have leaders with balls and I hope you stay true to your stance. The way EU have been acting past few years should be ringing alarm bells to every European nation, because we are getting closer and closer to one unified central government if we haven't already. They are just pissing all over nations' constitutions. Over here nobody wants those "refugees" to come here and they don't want to come here either because we don't offer social benefits like Germany or Sweden, but as always the government elected by the people doesn't give two shits what their people think and their only concern is licking Brüssel's butthole. Oh and Merkel and Juncker can go fuck themselves.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

He didn't mention the other side of the problem which is people invading muslim countries. Leading to anger and hatred.

But you can't deny the fact that when it comes to a group of people who don't live peacefully with other people from another tribe, religion, even among themselves, Muslims are number 1 in this aspect because they're easily influenced to be violent. They fight among their fellow Muslims, sunnis, kurdish and shiite's fighting with themselves for whatever reason. Just imagine if catholics are fighting with Anglican or pentecostal churches ... That's how weird it feels..

They need to accept that their ability to be easily brainwashed to doing suicide bombing and carry out acts of violence far more than anyone else is also part of their problem.

Why would I easily be brainwashed by idiots telling me to kill and die so that I get 100 virgins?

All in all, what I'm trying to say is Western influence are part of the problem, because of their hunt for oil resources, but the character of the people can't be ignored.

That was Ireland for a VERY long time recently.

The religion, while being a part of the problem, isn't really the entire story. Low income/lower class people no matter their location will often display such antisocial behavior because it is normal human behavior that has to be taught out of you with education, and later civic responsibility.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

That was Ireland for a VERY long time recently.

I'm sure they weren't smuggling heavy weapons, rocket launchers and having suicide bomb attacks against each other. Even if there were wars it's not happening in our current generation. As it should be in every religion worldwide.

The religion, while being a part of the problem, isn't really the entire story. Low income/lower class people no matter their location will often display such antisocial behavior because it is normal human behavior that has to be taught out of you with education, and later civic responsibility.

Lack of education is a real problem like you said. But they have spiritual leaders, I'm disappointed in most of them. Many Muslims listen to them so if they stress more on telling the people to not condone violence even if you don't revenge, it will reduce over the years.

[iseah100 5,612]

Anyone catch the debate? Bernie is in the drivers seat. Hiliary really needs to prepare better for debates.

Hillary Says It’s OK That She Takes Wall Street Money Because of Women and 9/11

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/15/hillary-clinton-invoked-911-to-defend-her-ties-to-wall-street-what/

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

SYRIANS are having a typical Monday, it has been confirmed.

For the 244th Monday in a row, the middle eastern country was awoken by the sound of explosions, before being oppressed by a range of maniacs.

Adnan, from Raqqa, said: “We live in a bit that’s controlled by Islamic State. So it will be a few bombs, a power cut and someone being thrown off a building because he looks a bit gay.

“The rest of the week is broadly similar.”

He added: “It’s okay, you get used to it. Then again, if someone, somewhere feels like sorting it the fuck out, that would be excellent.”

Yana, from Aleppo, said: “So I watched Groundhog Day. Funny. And I could relate to it even though it’s Bill Murray trying to woo Andie Macdowell in a small town in Pennsylvania, rather than raising three kids in a hellhole.

“I’d like to mix things up a bit, but that would involve travelling a thousand miles and then having to prove that me and my children are not psychopaths.

“Maybe Thursday.”

[Stingray 9,441]

The combination of both being hypocrite - supporting Saudi Arabia's policies, arming religious groups for geo-political purposes, destabilizing regions under false pretense - and being too meek on our own hard won values during the slip stream of the Enlightenment let us far astray.

As Sir Karl Popper said in the Open Society and its enemies in 1949:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

That said: our very dubious position with certain regimes (eg: FN weapon factories in Belgium provide a LOT of Saudi Weaponry that falls into the hands of extremists) and our mistreatment of the entire middle east region for our own advantage (see 1928 in which we openly supported the brotherhood of Islam for political reasons or even how we treat Salafist countries with oil) our misguided actions which make us look like fools when intervening in the middle east (eg. training and arming religious elements during the cold war) or even the joke that was the invasion of some of those countries (because of non existent weapons of mass destruction).

I don't see how the middle east can take us seriously as a possible partner against this extremism tbh. We are fucking up for a while now. Now we have a real enemy for every thing we (not our politicians) believed in.

No intervention based on geo-politics can cure this. It is exactly the disease. If we do not include even the parties involved (eg: the latest Syria convention doesn't even have ONE Syrian in it), if we do not listen to the non salafist or Sjiah muslims in this debate, or if we go into a full blown us aganst them mode - we are lost.

But whatever we do now.... tolerance cannot and should not be destroyed. Otherwise the open society as we know it, will be destroyed.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

My mate Hassan just sent me this;

France occupied Algeria for 132 years. They killed 1 million Muslims in the first 7 years.

and 1 million 500 000 in the last seven years before they left.

French historian Jacques Gorky has estimated that the total killed by France in Algeria since its arrival in 1830 until 1962 is 10 million Muslims.

France occupied Tunisia for 75 years, Algeria 132 years, Morroco 44 years, Mauretania 60 years and Senegal 120 years.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The combination of both being hypocrite - supporting Saudi Arabia's policies, arming religious groups for geo-political purposes, destabilizing regions under false pretense - and being too meek on our own hard won values during the slip stream of the Enlightenment let us far astray.

As Sir Karl Popper said in the Open Society and its enemies in 1949:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

That said: our very dubious position with certain regimes (eg: FN weapon factories in Belgium provide a LOT of Saudi Weaponry that falls into the hands of extremists) and our mistreatment of the entire middle east region for our own advantage (see 1928 in which we openly supported the brotherhood of Islam for political reasons or even how we treat Salafist countries with oil) our misguided actions which make us look like fools when intervening in the middle east (eg. training and arming religious elements during the cold war) or even the joke that was the invasion of some of those countries (because of non existent weapons of mass destruction).

I don't see how the middle east can take us seriously as a possible partner against this extremism tbh. We are fucking up for a while now. Now we have a real enemy for every thing we (not our politicians) believed in.

No intervention based on geo-politics can cure this. It is exactly the disease. If we do not include even the parties involved (eg: the latest Syria convention doesn't even have ONE Syrian in it), if we do not listen to the non salafist or Sjiah muslims in this debate, or if we go into a full blown us aganst them mode - we are lost.

But whatever we do now.... tolerance cannot and should not be destroyed. Otherwise the open society as we know it, will be destroyed.

The principle to take out of all of this HAS to be that we're all in this together a species. Everyone on both sides has to realize that we're all very similar even in the situation and threats we face. It must be finally accepted that actions anywhere on earth will affect the whole planet and its population.

Foe any western country now to come into the middle east as 'savors' with their own agenda is a recipe for more disaster and suffering. If help is to be given, and it is direly needed, it needs to come as equal partners not as liberators, not as 'spreaders of enlightenment' or 'democracy' or any other euphemism that the middle east is so tired of.

[Peace. 4,352]

My mate Hassan just sent me this;

France occupied Algeria for 132 years. They killed 1 million Muslims in the first 7 years.

and 1 million 500 000 in the last seven years before they left.

French historian Jacques Gorky has estimated that the total killed by France in Algeria since its arrival in 1830 until 1962 is 10 million Muslims.

France occupied Tunisia for 75 years, Algeria 132 years, Morroco 44 years, Mauretania 60 years and Senegal 120 years.

And your mate Hassan's point is ?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

My mate Hassan just sent me this;

France occupied Algeria for 132 years. They killed 1 million Muslims in the first 7 years.

and 1 million 500 000 in the last seven years before they left.

French historian Jacques Gorky has estimated that the total killed by France in Algeria since its arrival in 1830 until 1962 is 10 million Muslims.

France occupied Tunisia for 75 years, Algeria 132 years, Morroco 44 years, Mauretania 60 years and Senegal 120 years.

Yes, but they did it in a civilized enlightened manner!

I'm sorry to say this, but one of the reasons that ISIS can find recruits in the middle east is because some people feel that the attacks like the one in Paris resonate with them, in a sick way they make them feel vindicated about all the atrocities committed by France and others in the region. I'm in now way defending that feeling, but unfortunately it does exist with some, and not just religious extremists.

The role of imperialism in the past couple of centuries as well as the forced globalization of western culture and values (and consumer habits of course! ) in fueling religious extremism cannot be understated.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

And your mate Hassan's point is ?

Seems to be a text doing the rounds

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Yes, but they did it in a civilized enlightened manner!

I'm sorry to say this, but one of the reasons that ISIS can find recruits in the middle east is because some people feel that the attacks like the one in Paris resonate with them, in a sick way they make them feel vindicated about all the atrocities committed by France and others in the region. I'm in now way defending that feeling, but unfortunately it does exist with some, and not just religious extremists.

The role of imperialism in the past couple of centuries as well as the forced globalization of western culture and values (and consumer habits of course! ) in fueling religious extremism cannot be understated.

True, its a shame the sins of the fathers are visited on their children. That 'resonance'you talk of is very palpable with some of the people I frequent with. I need to change my social circle .They are generally sane, but then also believe 9/11, 7/7 etc were false flag jobs

[CHOULO19 24,332]

True, its a shame the sins of the fathers are visited on their children. That 'resonance'you talk of is very palpable with some of the people I frequent with. I need to change my social circle .They are generally sane, but then also believe 9/11, 7/7 etc were false flag jobs

Conspiracy theories are rampant among people in the region here when it comes to politics and I think it's a mixture of a an inferiority complex towards the west and a feeling that their fates and the fates of their countries are always controlled and and sabotaged by western countries which to be perfectly honest is largely true a lot of the times.

To just give one example, I remember something from our history books about the civil war in (mount) Lebanon between 1840s and 1860s when the tensions were rising between Christians backed by France and Druze backed by the UK. Those are wars that killed something like a quarter of the population at the time. In reality the UK and France were more or less in agreement and were just using the religious divide because they realized that Lebanon was the weak point of the Ottoman empire and were planing to start taking it apart from there. In fact the sparks of some of the main battles (burning of a Maronite house, killing of a Druze boy) were actually done by French/UK spies to spark the conflict.

...at least that's what we're taught in school, who the fuck actually knows!