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Farage a right wing fascist?!?!?! :doh:

Young voters are some of the most misinformed idiots, that would vote for someone without having a shred of knowledge about them. That's why lefties are always desperate to lower the voting age, gives them a chance to fool more kids.

Aren't you like 17? :lol:
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So you did exactly as I said you would: Ignore everything I said, not answer any of the facts and then repeat the same soundbites and carefully crafted terms that you have been taught. Brilliant. :D To be fair, you did actually add a few silly cartoons to try to counter the actually pictures on the ground that I posted...

You can repeat that rhetoric till you're blue in the face but it won't change facts:

- Israeli soldiers shoot at civilians for fun.

- The IDF at best does not care for any civilian losses and even targets civilian areas as collective punishment.

- The IDF has intentionally fired at schools with civilians refugees on many occasions, 2, 3.

- Israel puts the entire Gaza strip on a 'diet' by having calorie limit per person on the amount of food that enters the strip.

- Israel actively aims at keeping Gaza economy at the brink of collapse. Source.

- Their prime minister is against the right of Palestinians to have state. Menachem Begin's Herut, the founding ideology of the his Likud party says that it will never relinquish its claim for all of Palestine and even jordan.

Ignore everything you said? Did you not clearly say in your previous post that you weren't going to bother answering any of my points lol and you didn't answer anything about how the Hamas leaders have CLEARLY stated it is their aim to eradicate the Jewish race (along with several other points I made in my original post)

If anything I answered what you said on Hamas and the ruined buildings, I answered the 70 year aggression thing. If you have any other points I missed, write them in bullet points and I will respond.

I will the articles as soon as I post this but by looking at the headlines. Hamas leaders have written in their charter all kinds of things about eradicating Jews from the Earth.

Furthermore, it is a fact that Hamas deliberately fires from civilian locations and uses its people as human shields (in order to gain 'appeal' about their barbaric movement). As well as that Israel uses the technique of roof knocking to alert civilians to escape before the real rockets are fired?

Does Hamas do that?

Anyway I don't fault you for opposing Israel since you are arch enemies with them.

EDIT: What do you mean by I have been taught? You think they teach this to us in school lol?

Aren't you like 17? :lol:

I'm 16, are there not exceptions to the general rule? It's like saying Indians like cricket. We do, but there are some who don't.

But it's generally true, young voters are usually completely misinformed. There are countless young voters (like the ones in the video) who vote for someone despite not knowing anything about them.

Someone in my year (who is going to a EYP Cyprus) asked me whether the radicalised teens going to fight with ISIS are going there to get paid lol.

Here's one story which we often talk about:

So there was this debate outside school where we were trying to discuss promoting the usage of IT Technology in Education, and this person stands up and says:

"We shouldn't use ICT as people need to go outside and be social."

Then I stand up while making a really straight face and say:

"I'm sorry but I'm really worried about you if you're being social while studying." :D

Hey! I'm young and informed.

I know you are, I can clearly see that :D . (read the above post as well) I luckily know some intelligent folks too, but socialists/progressives/liberals always target the younger generation as they are easier to fool.

There are many well informed youngsters but unfortunately the vast majority know nothing beyond Hollywood and gossip....

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Nice bit of cut and pasting from Wikipedia mate. Could you do one as long as what the Lebanon has contributed to the world i'll send you a stamp you can write the list on the back of it.

https://youtu.be/FVVrZJaN1IU?t=101

Yeah I copied them and mentioned the source. Did you expect I was going to compile the list my self?

Lebanon is a very small country that has contributed little to the world apart from the alphabet, and Britain is one of the biggest contributors to global culture. But what does that have to do with the fact that has also always been one of the biggest colonial countries in the world and still is? Unless you are saying that you are somehow entitled to invading other countries for your economic gains because of your cultural history?!

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@NishC300, yeah I'm still waiting for your replies about the facts I posted :D

I replied mate. I told you I replied all the facts I saw in the original post. If there area any I missed out, just tell me lol. No one is evading argument. It's not like this debate is actually gonna affect the outcome of the situation, if I'm wrong - I'll just be wrong nothing else. Nothing wrong in accepting that. If anything you accepted that you didn't answer some of my facts.

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I replied mate. I told you I replied all the facts I saw in the original post. If there area any I missed out, just tell me lol. No one is evading argument. It's not like this debate is actually gonna affect the outcome of the situation, if I'm wrong - I'll just be wrong nothing else. Nothing wrong in accepting that. If anything you accepted that you didn't answer some of my facts.

What exactly did you answer? You didn't answer any of the facts. Let me quote them again for you:

Do you deny that any of that is true?

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[emoji23][emoji23] missed the point completely. At the start of the Euro in 02 there were no poor countries and in fact, Greece should not have been allowed in anyway - it cooked its books.

The Eurocrats should have let Greece go bust anyway. It would have been best for the country but they decided giving them more debt to service to prop up the euro for a few more years would be better.

All you're suggesting is the poorer countries uprising and literally telling the creditors "Hey, while you're at it you can support our whole state cos we don't want to cut anything" when you live off somebody else's money, you make sacrifices. That's a pretty basic concept. When you live off food from food banks, you don't get to have steak anymore.

So I'll turn the argument on its head. Why do they have a right to live off my country's money? It's not like we're rolling in cash to give away.

I was plus 20 when it happened, and euro made everything so expensive. Hell, i was in the US and i came back and it was 30% more expensive. Murica didnt have an answer. I could make a spaghetti with 250 belgian francs which is 6 euro's. All vegetbles, no shit added. Amazing ....... We seem to like the change but it was not a good one.

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DA GREEK EURO FIX

First of all the glorious “no” of the referendum.
What happened to it is depicted in the picture below:

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(I know it’s one of those my foreign friends don’t connect with but it’s such an ever so nice picture, I could n’t resist. Ask another Greek friend of yours what it is.)

The cost
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50 bil plus closed banks while Samaras plan euro-bill costed 2.5 bil.

Losers
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Samaras: Loser
Tsipras: Loser
No voters: 1/3 of them were criminal junta supporters and they are losers
Yes voters: Losers come what may.
Bank robbers: The new unemployed.

Winners
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Messrs Merkel, Schauble

The dark secret of the turf
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Tsipras wanted to lose last Sunday.
An ecumenical government was going to be called upon to sign the agreement and hold elections in October. Tsipras could come back and say “I ‘m a hero, I fought on the beaches, vote for me again”.
He won because the junta lovers went for the “no”
We already knew there were 10% junta supporters of the “no”, the ANEL and the neo-nazi Golden Dawn.
Now it’s 20%, if one makes comparisons of voting patterns with January.
Are the additional 10% mainly ANEL types or Golden Dawn types ? This is something we don’t know at this hour.
The day after, Tsipras p*ssed in his p*nts proceeds to call a conference of party leaders to work out the agreement proposal. Sacks Varoufakis, hides his crazy “president of parliament” Zoe Konstantopoulos.

End

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Ok here's my response to each article you sent. I have numbered it and am debunking EACH AND EVERY ARTICLE YOU SENT IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST:

1) I thought the Americans were madly in love with Israel and defended their 'war crimes', clearly here you've sent me an article from an American news outlet that claims that Israelis are war criminals. Breaking the Silence are the same group of Israel haters as the BDS are.

Well first of all simply upon reading that article, we can see how inaccurate your point is. That very same article also says that IDF troops helped shelter many Gazans as well. Furthermore, to pretend that there are no war crimes in combat by both sides is false. During WW2, the some Allied soldiers committed several war crimes too. Does that make the Nazis the good guys and the Allies a group of oppressors? No. During war due to emotion and anger both sides commit war crimes, are you telling me Israel is an oppressive state because maybe a couple of soldiers committed a war crime? That is simply what strikes you if you read this article without having any knowledge of this conflict and you just use elementary level critical thinking. Ofc upon further research of this situation one would know that the IDF are one of the world's most moral army. They have the world's best civilian:terrorist death ratio (I also recommend reading Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard).

Now to begin debunking this properly, I'll just copy paste this as I'm going to have a lot to write. Hope you don't mind the odd bit of copy pasting here and there.

"Breaking the Silence is an organization made up of Israel Defense Forces veterans “who have . . . taken it upon themselves to expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories.” The organization seeks to demonise Israel by using inaccurate portrayals of military experiences. The organization collects testimonies from veterans, however, these accounts are anonymous, representing less than .005% of the IDF's combat forces, and not backed up by other soldiers."

Now here's 1 more by a Kuwaiti on IDF forces and the nonsense people were believing from these Breaking the Silence liars:

"“Allah testifies that they are lying”

A non-governmental Israeli organization claims that the IDF that attacked Gaza and the ostracized Hamas used local civilians as human shields and opened fire indiscriminately. The report by “Breaking the Silence” says the IDF destroyed buildings, mosques and private homes, and includes testimonies by 30 soldiers who participated in the attack on Gaza (2008/12/27–18/1/2009), but without revealing their names or unit affiliation.

However these allegations are to be rejected because the IDF has proved that its troops follow international law and obey orders despite the stress of battle. These testimonies lack sourcing or corroboration, thus preventing any conclusions from being drawn... Furthermore, it was the ostracized Hamas that caused much grief when it fired dozens of Qassam missiles at innocent civilians in the southern towns and villages of Israel. The IDF had no choice but to fight back causing the deaths of 1400 Palestinians, half of them civilians used as human shields by Hamas, in addition to the 5,000 wounded. Israel lost just 10 soldiers and 3 civilians.

The IDF defended innocent Israeli civilians against Hamas attacks and did all it could to prevent harming any civilians, targeting just the Hamas men, to disarm them by aerial bombing, shelling, and the use of heavy tractors, while maintaining the humane principles of the IDF that seeks to win with minimal human cost to either side.

The report by “Breaking the Silence” was unfair, unbalanced, and lacking in proof, so one wonders where it was when Hamas used schools and homes for weapons storage or for missile launchers. Israeli pilots reported many secondary explosions after they hit Hamas targets. Where was that organization when Hamas smuggled tons of illicit weapons through a network of tunnels from Egypt?"

Now finally for the 'knockout punch' :P, there was a Breaking the Silence event in Tel Aviv ,and as you know these anti-Semites love cherry picking a couple of troops who will repeat their anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Well here's an Israeli soldier who went up to give his testimony:

Here's the transcript:

"I enlisted in 2006, to the Armored Corps, to the 75th Battalion of the illustrious 7th Brigade, which took part in many famous battles, and participated at all of Israel's wars," Yacobi stated. "The Brigade is also known as 'Storm from the Golan'. After we enlisted, we were imbued with the IDF fighting spirit, and told of heroic deeds and fierce battles. I thought I would be honored to serve my country in that brigade."

(Yacobi is then seen being interrupted and escorted offstage by security personnel from Breaking the Silence, who are heard telling him that "there is a line" for dedicated speakers and that he was breaking the rules.)

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Here is the full statement Yacobi intended to say, and that Breaking the Silence wanted silenced.

... From time to time, we were switched to Infantry duty, patrolling various points in Israel. Our patrols caught quite a few Palestinians attempting to cross from the Palestinian Authority areas into Israel.

I can never forget seeing them for the first time... they were just sitting there, in the holding cells, their eyes covered and their hands tied. I was just a young soldier. So I asked one our sergeants, 'what are you going to do with them?' He looked at me with empty eyes and said: 'Nothing, we're transferring them to the Police or to the Border Police.' I could not imagine what they would suffer there...

That was, before I discovered that they would be held for three days, and then set free. In fact, before we transferred them to the police, we provided them with blankets and food, and even cigarettes…

Are you getting that?! These people, who did not cross the border for nothing, some of whom may well have been bent on murder, just because their victims belong to a different nationality, as did the Nazis and before them the Crusaders, would be returned safely to their homes!

However, their intention did not prevent me, or any other IDF soldier, from providing them with all of the human rights they are entitled to. And we do that, knowing that there is a good possibility that one of them could be a heinous terrorist bent on slaughtering me – me, the one that calls you brothers and sisters – or your children and your families.

And that is the virtue that makes the IDF the most moral army of the world, and turns you people into hypocrites tainted with anti-Semitism that try to besmirch the most moral army in the world with lies and slander.

But here, at least, your attempt to use the IDF as a pawn in your political game didn't succeed. And you know why? Because we Israelis know the truth full well, and we know who are the good guys, and who are the bad guys. And you? Have you understood that yet?

If these people are so honest and moral why are they banning a guy from giving his testimony?

Or do these anti-Semites just want to cherry pick a couple of soldiers who will repeat their anti-Israel lies as they attempt to demonise Israel?

Here's one for you to answer:

If Israel are such a bunch of war criminals then why do they use technology like roof knocking to warn civilians? Why do they treat so many Gazans in their hospitals, the people they are so 'hellbent on eradicating'?

But ofc I am sure you have no problem whatsoever with how Hamas terrorists use Gazans as human shields to protect their missiles. How they hide inside schools and hospitals with kids and fire rockets.

The only people that want Palestinian civilians dead is the Hamas! The terrorists they elected! So that they can continue to portray this image of Israel as an evil nation to the world. So that they can use pictures of dead children to sway people into thinking that Israel is the cause of all this! That a state which values ethics, liberty and freedom is the cause of all this NOT A GROUP OF GENOCIDAL TERRORISTS!

It is as Dershowitz calls "The Dead Baby Strategy".
2) Again you repeat Breaking the Silence lies, just read point 1. (listen I could go on for ages about what a bunch of liars these Breaking the Silence folks are)
3) Well you can start off by reading point 1 again and this nonsense on that article about how there was no evidence that the terrorists were firing from there hahahahaha the UN will do anything to criminalise Israel. I guess this isn't enough evidence for them.
These Hamas terrorists constantly use the aid we give them for their civilians to create missiles. The centres we create to benefit their civilians are used by these murderers to stockpile missiles and here's a UN report proving that!
(and there was a 3rd time too ;) )
And here are videos of Hamas troops firing from hospitals and schools (and how careful Israel is to avoid as many as civilian casualties as possible).
This was ofc the big bit of evidence that the NDTV unearthed last summer. This video was quite popular, IIRC CNN showed it too.
Did you hear that Israelis were firing warning strikes? Yes those cruel, murderous Israelis. Just as I've told you on all the previous posts.
As for the Qana massacre, it was a tragic incident and nobody denys that. Israel never wanted it to happen and they have PROVED THAT. The point is you don't blame the Hezbollah who used human shields and continuously fired from locations in close proximity to a UN building as well. Do you not realise that none of this would happen had it not been for the Hezbollah's cowardly tactics?

The very terrorists organisations that one associates with are the reason that all these civlian deaths are occurring! Do you not realise that Hezbollah wants this to happen? So that Israel can be defamed in the eyes of the media?

And you know what is evidence of that? The fact that the Hezbollah deliberately fired AGAIN from Qana in 2006, why? So that the following incident can happen again!
And you know what's even stranger about the 2006 strike? The time between Israel's first strike in Qana and the first building collapse was 7-8 hours!What it takes 7-8 hours for a building to fall!?!?
And you know what's stranger? The roof of that building was intact! There was a crater actually next to the building! Clearly proving that the Israeli air strikes never caused this.
If your movement is so true? Why do you constantly keep lying? (also some interesting points on that in my previous post).
You know what I don't need to repeat all of that stuff. It's all in this video. This post is already so long....
^^^^^^^^

DO YOU DENY THAT?

(will be back after lunch with the reply to the rest of the quotes)
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@NishC300, so your response to facts from unbiased neutral organization that are accepted by everyone as true is to bury your head in the sand and scream "not true" coupled with some wild conspiracy theories with absolutely no reliable sources or evidence save some propaganda videos? :lol:

If I wanted to give you conspiracy theories and propaganda from the Hamas side or even the regular Palestinian side, we would have been here forever. Instead, I gave you hard facts that you can find reported in any reliable unbiased source (except for the last point which is not an event in itself but a historical fact).

Your response of calling Jewish IDF soldiers 'antisemites' :lol: and the UN, the biggest global non-profit organization with people from all over the world, Israel-hating liars; that 'response' if I can even call it that, does not even start to rise to the level of the factual arguments made.

If you wish to debate further, come up with a response of facts and provide reliable sources for them, please, because I refuse to sink to that level of 'debate'.

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So you did exactly as I said you would: Ignore everything I said, not answer any of the facts and then repeat the same soundbites and carefully crafted terms that you have been taught. Brilliant. :D To be fair, you did actually add a few silly cartoons to try to counter the actually pictures on the ground that I posted...

You can repeat that rhetoric till you're blue in the face but it won't change facts:

- Israeli soldiers shoot at civilians for fun.

- The IDF at best does not care for any civilian losses and even targets civilian areas as collective punishment.

- The IDF has intentionally fired at schools with civilians refugees on many occasions, 2, 3.

- Israel puts the entire Gaza strip on a 'diet' by having calorie limit per person on the amount of food that enters the strip.

- Israel actively aims at keeping Gaza economy at the brink of collapse. Source.

- Their prime minister is against the right of Palestinians to have state. Menachem Begin's Herut, the founding ideology of the his Likud party says that it will never relinquish its claim for all of Palestine and even jordan.

Time for Part 2!

Ok so you follow up your posts by posting a bunch of articles by a far-left Israeli outlet that will do anything to defame Israel.

4) Wow so the 1st article is something I've never come across before but after quickly reading it I realise that it's the same old anti-Israel nonsense. Upon reading this article I see that this limit was set up to 2,279 calories per person.

Hmmm let me see...... THAT'S NOT A DIET!! THAT'S AS MUCH AS THE AVERAGE ISRAELI HAS!

Unless you think the average Israeli is starved as well then this post is nonsense.

Furthermore, this article isn't even taken seriously. You know why? Because if it was then all the humanitarian organisations would be running in crying "discrimination" against Israel. You must be desperate to defame Israel if you deny blatant extremism on the Palestinian side and use stuff like this against Israel.

Oh and that article is completely outdated now. Israel has lifted all blockades on consumer goods, despite the fact that Gaza is governed by a terrorist group. Not sure if you heard that....

5) Hahah now because some leak claims Israel wants to keep Gaza on the brink of collapse, then that's their wish right? Not that a flourishing Gazan economy would do no harm to the Israelis? You're basically posting articles that have no reliable evidence to back them up!

Now here's where one has to use some simple logic. If the Israelis want to keep Gaza under so much economic pressure? Why doesn't the same logic apply to the West Bank?

They are the same people right? One's economy is doing quite well while the other is governed by a terrorist organisation.

If you actually look at this situation, Israel is literally surrounded by people that want to wreck it, murder its people and defame it in every possible way, yet Israel tries it best to avoid as much harm as possible?

I love how you happily ignore all the Arab atrocities against Israel.

6) Have you seen any of Netanyahu's speeches at the UNSC? Have you never heard what he actually says regarding this situation?

HAHAH What a misleading headline. Typical of this left-wing scumbag site. I'll make a mental note never to read from them ever again.

I'm obviously guessing you never read this quote by him (or choose to ignore it)

In his first interview since the vote, Netanyahu said: “I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution. But for that, circumstances have to change.”

Oh and btw I just came across an article debunking your article, I kindly request you read it:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/03/20/obama-media-lied-about-netanyahu-and-the-palestinian-state/

YES READ CAREFULLY HE SAID NO PALESTINIAN STATE UNDER PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES. NOT FOREVER! If anyone wants this conflict over it's Israel! They are sick and tired of having all these enemies around them who constantly wish to wipe them off the face of this planet.

WOW! Your article on Herut. You're really starting to sound like those illumanti folks. Linking some random things from all kinds of places that have no whatsoever relevance to make a completely baseless point.

Have Likud not clearly said they have no problem with a two state solution? What the hell has that got to do with a dissolved party Herut? You're literally cherry picking facts right now. That would be like saying Britain is a fascist country because the BNP was once there (they are almost now on the verge of extinction).

Conclusion: You cherry pick weird baseless claims to delegitimise Israel.

Yet at the same time you ignore the following I stated in a previous post:

"You know that they literally show cartoons of Mickey Mouse YES MICKEY MOUSE being killed by the Jews to get children ready to fight Israelis. "

"Israel is the only state where muslims can live freely and people of all faiths can happily practice their religion, while Hamas has stated this in their own charter:

"The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

So now that I have thorougly debunked all your articles. I want some responses about my previous post. Responses about the fact.

That is if you can...... :P

Here are facts about Israel's extremist neighbours

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@NishC300, so your response to facts from unbiased neutral organization that are accepted by everyone as true is to bury your head in the sand and scream "not true" coupled with some wild conspiracy theories with absolutely no reliable sources or evidence save some propaganda videos? :lol:

If I wanted to give you conspiracy theories and propaganda from the Hamas side or even the regular Palestinian side, we would have been here forever. Instead, I gave you hard facts that you can find reported in any reliable unbiased source (except for the last point which is not an event in itself but a historical fact).

Your response of calling Jewish IDF soldiers 'antisemites' :lol: and the UN, the biggest global non-profit organization with people from all over the world, Israel-hating liars; that 'response' if I can even call it that, does not even start to rise to the level of the factual arguments made.

If you wish to debate further, come up with a response of facts and provide reliable sources for them, please, because I refuse to sink to that level of 'debate'.

Please label 1 place where I used conspiracy theories. You just have no response.

No I didn't call those IDF soldiers 'antisemites'. You just have no response to anything I've said. I debunked the Anti-Israel "Breaking the Silence" because it is an anti-Israel organisation.

No you gave no facts. Wikileaks crappy articles. Linking some dissolved party to Likud.

Misquoting Benjamin Netanyahu. Yea I gave facts. You just have no response.

Yea referring to a Harvard professor is now conspiracy theory. I think you don't know its definition.

Don't pretend that my post is wrong. You just don't have a response.

My sources are 100% reliable not left-wing self-hating media outlets and some Anti-Israel "Breaking the Silence" morons who are too scared to give the stage to someone who opposed what they said.

You clearly have no idea what you're debating about and believe the best way to get your point across is avoiding debate. I have not even given an extra points about Israel and her neighbours, I have thoroughly debunked every point you have.

I think you need to check your facts, because clearly the few you had - are gone.....

Your evidence for calling Israel an apartheid state is that some anti-Israel organisation brought a couple of soldiers to say so.

NOT THAT ALL THE OTHER IDF TROOPS DENY IT!

If you go on YouTube you could most prob even find American soldiers who say that 9/11 was fake and all that nonsense too. Should we believe them as well?

Haha you are so hellbent to shut your eyes, you call NDTV's and satellite footage as conspiracy!

HOW THE HELL IS A NEWS CHANNEL AND SATELLITE FOOTAGE BIASED OR CONSPIRACY LOL!?!?

Those are the same videos that were played on news channels!

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Please label 1 place where I used conspiracy theories. You're don't want to respond

No I didn't call those IDF soldiers 'antisemites'. You just have no response to anything I've said. I debunked the Anti-Israel "Breaking the Silence" because it is an anti-Israel organisation.

No you gave no facts. Wikileaks crappy articles. Linking some dissolved party to Likud.

Misquoting Benjamin Netanyahu. Yea I gave facts. You just have no response.

Yea referring to a Harvard professor is now conspiracy theory. I think you don't know its definition.

Don't pretend that my post is wrong. You just don't have a response.

My sources are 100% reliable not left-wing self-hating media outlets and some Anti-Israel "Breaking the Silence" morons who are too scared to give the stage to someone who opposed what they said.

You've done nothing but embarrass yourself, kid. You haven't even provided a single reliable source, it's like debating with someone from the flat earth society. Your 'response' is meaningless hyperbole and scare tactics and propaganda videos (Proper debate rule number 1: NEVER use YouTube videos, they are complete meaningless).

I've provided simple straight-forward facts with no bias, exaggeration or emotions. You've hopelessly failed to properly respond to any of them by trying to prove wrong known facts instead of attempting to explain them from your position. When I posted those facts, I wanted you to explain why they happened and where you as a pro-Israeli government stand on them, not ludicrously try to disprove them because that is simply not possible subjectively, hence the definition of the word 'fact'.

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