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[CHOULO19 24,332]

This really annoys me because Charlie Hebdo portrayed all religions in a bad manner. Christians were nothing to do with it, it's ridiculous.

That's not how the media, not the western nor the media in these Muslim majority countries, portrayed it though. The local media outlets in the east went with the usual "Christian west attacking your beliefs and values" rhetoric and the western media went with the usual "Muslim east attacking your beliefs and values" and hence both only focused and republished/condemned the Muslim related cartoons to create the "us vs them bullshit". A LOT of the people who shared the Mohammed cartoons would never share the Jesus ones.

And it really wasn't "all" religions. From what I saw it was mainly just Islam and Christianity. In France, if you draw anything about Judiasm, even if far less offensive than those cartoons, you get thrown in prison for antisemitism. Wrong kind of freedom of speech, I guess.

[We Hate Scouse 10,261]

That's not how the media, not the western nor the media in these Muslim majority countries, portrayed it though. The local media outlets in the east went with the usual "Christian west attacking your beliefs and values" rhetoric and the western media went with the usual "Muslim east attacking your beliefs and values" and hence both only focused and republished/condemned the Muslim related cartoons to create the "us vs them bullshit". A LOT of the people who shared the Mohammed cartoons would never share the Jesus ones.

And it really wasn't "all" religions. From what I saw it was mainly just Islam and Christianity. In France, if you draw anything about Judiasm, even if far less offensive than those cartoons, you get thrown in prison for antisemitism. Wrong kind of freedom of speech, I guess.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=charlie+hebdo+jewish&rlz=1C1LENP_enGB595GB595&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=707&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Fom_VO_gCqir7AajwoDABw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg

It was all religions

[CHOULO19 24,332]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=charlie+hebdo+jewish&rlz=1C1LENP_enGB595GB595&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=707&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Fom_VO_gCqir7AajwoDABw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg

It was all religions

Tell that to the iconic cartoonist Sine who was prosecuted by the French government and then fired by Charlie Hebdo themselves for antisemitism for saying that Sarkozy's son "converted to Judaism for financial reasons" after marrying a super rich Jewish girl.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html

Btw, from that very search you posted, this is the only two cartoons that has any reference to Jews I could find:

Doesn't really compare to drawing Mohammed naked in a doggie-style position with star over his anus, or god fucking Jesus from behind, does it?

The zionist lobby in France has created a very powerful censorship by hiding behind antisemitism accusations. Prime example is the Gayssot law which is often used to send anyone who questions the holocaust to jail but never for example the people deny the Turkish massacres against the Armenians killing over a million people, or the fact that during the last attack on Gaza the French minister banned pro-Palestine protests for "antisemitism".

[Fulham Broadway 16,410]

Communist takeover in Greece highly probable coming Sunday.

Everybody off to the poor house.

Clonk-clink, Che Guevara-Fidel Castro.

I hope they 're gonna let me watch Chelsea at least.

And they will default on the debt, thus I have just sold a shed load of Euros,-what with impending quantitive easing, cant see the Euro recovering anytime soon.

[Fernando 6,376]

@CHOULO19, Speaking of antisemitism I heard that in France is the highest ever?

A lot to do with the Muslim population that exist in that country?

Indeed more Jewish people are leaving France then any other country in Europe.....

And if the cartoon insult the Christian and Muslim, then why are the Muslim going crazy and destroying things all over the world?

Is there something in their religion that says that they must act this way when ever they insult their prophet?

[cosmicway 1,261]

And they will default on the debt, thus I have just sold a shed load of Euros,-what with impending quantitive easing, cant see the Euro recovering anytime soon.

It's not funny.

Socialists destroyed my business with huge arbitrary taxes in 1993.

Now again, the pinkier version.

You do not work for the public sector they say, so you don't count as portected species under socialism.

I wish you never have to live under communism.

Those people from the neighbouring Balkan countries were jumping over electric fences to come here, even though Greece was not really the richest of countries. It was just like East Berlin-West Berlin. One hid in a refrigirator van to escape and had to have his leg amputated.

In 1967-74 we had the junta. This one looks like it's going to be junta ++ because the old junta was not meddling in the economic sphere of things.

[Fulham Broadway 16,410]

It's not funny.

Socialists destroyed my business with huge arbitrary taxes in 1993.

Now again, the pinkier version.

You do not work for the public sector they say, so you don't count as portected species under socialism.

I wish you never have to live under communism.

Those people from the neighbouring Balkan countries were jumping over electric fences to come here, even though Greece was not really the richest of countries. It was just like East Berlin-West Berlin. One hid in a refrigirator van to escape and had to have his leg amputated.

In 1967-74 we had the junta. This one looks like it's going to be junta ++ because the old junta was not meddling in the economic sphere of things.

Didnt say it was funny, which is why I have dumped my euros. If there hadnt been so much fraud and corruption, and misappropriation of funds, the Socialists wouldnt be in pole position. The present Greek administration have brought it on themselves as far as I can see.

[We Hate Scouse 10,261]

It's not funny.

Socialists destroyed my business with huge arbitrary taxes in 1993.

Now again, the pinkier version.

You do not work for the public sector they say, so you don't count as portected species under socialism.

I wish you never have to live under communism.

Those people from the neighbouring Balkan countries were jumping over electric fences to come here, even though Greece was not really the richest of countries. It was just like East Berlin-West Berlin. One hid in a refrigirator van to escape and had to have his leg amputated.

In 1967-74 we had the junta. This one looks like it's going to be junta ++ because the old junta was not meddling in the economic sphere of things.

Will they leave the EU and € if they get in?

[Liquidator 5,176]

I guess Michael Buble wad right. Hollywood is dead

[cosmicway 1,261]

Will they leave the EU and € if they get in?

It's a collection of crazies.

They say we won't leave the euro, we are going to fight for better terms and if that does n't work we 'll see.

But it's diffcult to make sense as the lefties are very incoherent and they different things every hour. Their leader mr. Tsipras in a morning show on tv said "the Greek bank system is unstable" then in another tv show in the afternoon "the Greek banking system is very stable indeed" ! Go figure.

Surely if the politicians of Greece created the present chaotic situation, that lot did not come out of some parthenogenesis (indeed !). The pink party is 10% original and 90% infusions from the socialists and those latter are considered to have been the chief perpetrators of the economic disaster. Confetti money - embezzlement - wastage of public funds.

I don't know what they 're going to do with the euro-supremos, but be it a success or be it a failure they are going to tax even the air we breath. The party faithfuls, the new nomenclature, are like an army of ants waiting to storm into the house.

We know what the reds are like, they 've been here all the while but were unable to make any progress.

In 80 years of existence the biggest achievement of the reds was to vote tactically in the year 1983 and help some socialist mayor candidate in Athens to win. Whatever else they may have done, from way back in the 1920s when they tried to make the refugees from Minor Asia into party followers ended in dismal failure, because of their utter incompetence and stupidity.

The pink party sprouted out of the original communists in the year 1968, just after the invasion of Czechoslovakia I think. They believed in the same things except for the alliance with Moscow.

Communism is a system based on lies and repression.

No wonder the anti-eu forces are happy with them. They think their presence will precipitate the collapse of the EU - and the currency.

[Fulham Broadway 16,410]

Capitalism, by its very nature is fucking greedy, dog eat dog nastiness. Dont beleive their "oooh it will trickledown" bollox. The working class, ordinary people, get what they fight for. Thats whats happening in Greece, just a backlash to being fucked over.

There will be more now the 1% have the same wealth as the remaining 99%. The 1% will get worried, hence security, over the top surveillance of all your texts, phone calls etc - fundamental islam and 'terrorism', again a backlash to the capitalists expansionist foreign policies, is convenient for the 1%.

What theyre really shit scared about is people getting together for change. Probably.

[cosmicway 1,261]

Capitalism, by its very nature is fucking greedy, dog eat dog nastiness. Dont beleive their "oooh it will trickledown" bollox. The working class, ordinary people, get what they fight for. Thats whats happening in Greece, just a backlash to being fucked over.

There will be more now the 1% have the same wealth as the remaining 99%. The 1% will get worried, hence security, over the top surveillance of all your texts, phone calls etc - fundamental islam and 'terrorism', again a backlash to the capitalists expansionist foreign policies, is convenient for the 1%.

What theyre really shit scared about is people getting together for change. Probably.

The anti-capitalists are people without a proper understanding of things when they are not extremists.

I 'd like to live in a country that gives me the following things.

- Freedom to chose

- Respect the opponent

- Welfare state

To have welfare state, you have to first produce wealth. Otherwise are you going to create it out of nothing ?

If any of the above is missing, the system is destined to die.

Thatcher was right. She was speaking in "Saatchi and Saatchi" style, Blair's eyes and all the rest of it - because it was her vote catching method. But she had sense.

The communists are liars and they want to create a one party state, only for their friends.

But they find fools who believe everything.

Since when is communism something new ?

The idea behind the communist system is corporate ownership.

Everything belongs to the state, from airplanes-railways down to needles and buttons.

The citizen is a robot.

To stabilize this system you need dictatorial government and the use of force.

There have been many half way systems. Venezuela is one of the modern lefty states (in a state of utter chaos now). Spain and Portugal in the sixties were half way systems of the other type.

What will happen in Greece now is that only the people who work for the state will be able to earn a living.

If you are not one of the favoured ones, then it's curtains.

The rich and generally all those who can afford it are leaving the country.

This did not happen from 2009 to 2014 despite the economic crisis, but with the prospect of marxist government everyone flees. The banks are being dried out to the tune of 2 billion euros a day as we speak.

Even the left wing party supporters are bank-running (because political affiliation is one thing, our wallet is anothe thing ...).

The left wing SYRIZA party are not really planning to end capitalism.

The system will be based on a number of capitalist bosses - as before.

Their names are known.

It's the middle classes and the middle to lower economic classes they are out to destroy.

Strangely the situation seems to have brought tremendous joy to right wing extremists in other parts of Europe.

Madame Lepen said she hopes SYRIZA wins !

To this SYRIZA replied "we know nothing about it".

What "les lepenoises" think is SYRIZA will hasten the process of Europe's destruction and hence they rejoice !

The such crowds really hate Greece. They like to intimidate Greek people and call them "shoe shines".

It is a historical fact that all the wars we have fought were wars against the forces that represented racism of one type or another (Ottoman Empire - Imperial Germany - Fascist Italy - Nazi Germany). Only the war of 1945-49 -the war against communist insurgency- makes an exception to this pattern.

So the demise of Greece -be it from the hand of the old foe- makes them happy.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Capitalism is fucking shite mate

[Fulham Broadway 16,410]

To have welfare state, you have to first produce wealth. Otherwise are you going to create it out of nothing ?

Britain was completely skint after WW2 and went cap in hand (fairly fruitlessly ) to the US. Despite this austerity Britain created the NHS and Welfare state (Churchill and the tories tried their hardest to stop it).

Thatcher was right. She was speaking in "Saatchi and Saatchi" style, Blair's eyes and all the rest of it - because it was her vote catching method. But she had sense.

Thatcher was a puppet for the rich, she created more division in society than any one before or since in the UK -and it is now coming out that she knew some of her government were paedophiles but did nothing about it.

Communism is futile unless it is a global phenomenum -Marx said this. It is useless one or two countries trying it because we live in a capitalist world, any country tring it is sanctioned by dozens of countries and cant trade. It has never existed in a pure form, the USSR was State Capitalism, corrupt officials and ruling with an iron fist. However the concept globally is much fairer than capitalism, as is anarchy. I understand youre hurting with the collapse of your business though.

[cosmicway 1,261]

Britain was completely skint after WW2 and went cap in hand (fairly fruitlessly ) to the US. Despite this austerity Britain created the NHS and Welfare state (Churchill and the tories tried their hardest to stop it).

Thatcher was a puppet for the rich, she created more division in society than any one before or since in the UK -and it is now coming out that she knew some of her government were paedophiles but did nothing about it.

Communism is futile unless it is a global phenomenum -Marx said this. It is useless one or two countries trying it because we live in a capitalist world, any country tring it is sanctioned by dozens of countries and cant trade. It has never existed in a pure form, the USSR was State Capitalism, corrupt officials and ruling with an iron fist. However the concept globally is much fairer than capitalism, as is anarchy. I understand youre hurting with the collapse of your business though.

In my opinion -with which others may disagree and even strongly disagree- Thatcher was awful.

Most parts of her doctrince made good sense though, always hidden behind the Saatchi and Saatchi rhetoric we all remember.

Communism is the system that has created most evil in the world.

The idea of it having been mishandled by the USSR is childish.

When it comes to political and civil rights I fail to see the difference between USSR-Nazi Germany-George Wallace's Alabama.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Theoretical capitalism has never been implemented. One of its main principles is a free market where a necessarily informed public ought to be making rational choices. One of the biggest industries in the world is devoted to undermine just that; meaning creating a misinformed public that would make irrational choices. That is of course the advertisement industry.

Now, the current neoliberal capitalist system that we live in; THAT is pure evil and is likely to be one of the causes of the end of the human race as we know it in the next hundred or so years through corporate greed and zero interest in the community or the environment.

[cosmicway 1,261]

Theoretical capitalism has never been implemented. One of its main principles is a free market where a necessarily informed public ought to be making rational choices. One of the biggest industries in the world is devoted to undermine just that; meaning creating a misinformed public that would make irrational choices. That is of course the advertisement industry.

Now, the current neoliberal capitalist system that we live in; THAT is pure evil and is likely to be one of the causes of the end of the human race as we know it in the next hundred or so years through corporate greed and zero interest in the community or the environment.

The state fires the shots even in capitalist societies.

We have the following state of affairs:

National companies - sitting ducks. The employees solve giant crosswords all day, play battleships, go to sleep in the office (the party bosses have made it so).

Overcharging private companies. Those have to pay huge amounts of tax. That makes it difficult for them to provide jobs and at the same time the consumer has to pay more. Those companies have to make profit just like their nationalized predecessor but also have to pay taxes whereas the nationalized predecessors did not have to.

Smaller and medium businesses. Those are hunted down. In one version of things they are troublesome to the big boys. In the other version they are "anti-socialist relic", "anti-peoples democracy".

I don't see any problem with the ads people - neither do I recall a time when they were telling the truth !

Sometimes they violate the trade descriptions act and they are caught, but that does n't happen very often.

All in all no system is perfect and many of you don't realise it's money that makes hammers go, in the world of national legislations. Thus if I have a just cause, some suitcases filled with euros will make it glide through that much more smoothly.

In marxist society how are things going to work then ?

Better ?

As if we did n't know !

The party supremos were after the Bolshoi ballet girls and very few of them escaped.

For them it was Cote D' Azur - Marrienband - Florida beach, for the common folk it was robot work for a dish of black soup in the factories.

In what regards industrial accidents they also have the world record (but when something happens in one of the capitalist shipyards they start demonstrations right away).

[Fernando 6,376]

Turkish president accuses 'the West' of being behind Charlie Hebdo attacks and deliberately 'blaming Muslims' as conspiracy theories sweep the Internet accusing Israel of orchestrating it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908358/Turkish-president-accuses-West-Charlie-Hebdo-attacks-deliberately-blaming-Muslims-conspiracy-theories-sweep-Internet-accusing-Israel-orchestrating-it.html

A bit old but I found this interesting.

If a president from a nation thinks like this then the world is in a heap of trouble.

You can't trust turkey to do anything good now especially when it comes to dealing with Israel since they are already bias in their thinking.