Politics & Stuff

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

i'd be with these

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The state fires the shots even in capitalist societies.

We have the following state of affairs:

National companies - sitting ducks. The employees solve giant crosswords all day, play battleships, go to sleep in the office (the party bosses have made it so).

Overcharging private companies. Those have to pay huge amounts of tax. That makes it difficult for them to provide jobs and at the same time the consumer has to pay more. Those companies have to make profit just like their nationalized predecessor but also have to pay taxes whereas the nationalized predecessors did not have to.

Smaller and medium businesses. Those are hunted down. In one version of things they are troublesome to the big boys. In the other version they are "anti-socialist relic", "anti-peoples democracy".

I don't see any problem with the ads people - neither do I recall a time when they were telling the truth !

Sometimes they violate the trade descriptions act and they are caught, but that does n't happen very often.

All in all no system is perfect and many of you don't realise it's money that makes hammers go, in the world of national legislations. Thus if I have a just cause, some suitcases filled with euros will make it glide through that much more smoothly.

In marxist society how are things going to work then ?

Better ?

As if we did n't know !

The party supremos were after the Bolshoi ballet girls and very few of them escaped.

For them it was Cote D' Azur - Marrienband - Florida beach, for the common folk it was robot work for a dish of black soup in the factories.

In what regards industrial accidents they also have the world record (but when something happens in one of the capitalist shipyards they start demonstrations right away).

Yeah, poor multi-billion companies. It's so hard to buy good slaves these days and the nation states they control to protect their concentrated private interests are actually trying to take a very small percentage of their billions to try to benefit the whole community. The nerves of some people!

It's gotten so bad that gap between the rich and the poor is only increasing in a slightly accelerating manner and today the richest 1% in the world have more money than just the poorest 50%. Oh the humanity!

It's funny how you only talk about companies when discussing social political systems. I would have thought it was about the people, the community, the culture, the society, or at least the rights and state of the people working in those companies, the hands that actually do the work and that by many times outnumber the filthy rich CEOs. Silly me...

[cosmicway 1,333]

Yeah, poor multi-billion companies. It's so hard to buy good slaves these days and the nation states they control to protect their concentrated private interests are actually trying to take a very small percentage of their billions to try to benefit the whole community. The nerves of some people!

It's gotten so bad that gap between the rich and the poor is only increasing in a slightly accelerating manner and today the richest 1% in the world have more money than just the poorest 50%. Oh the humanity!

It's funny how you only talk about companies when discussing social political systems. I would have thought it was about the people, the community, the culture, the society, or at least the rights and state of the people working in those companies, the hands that actually do the work and that by many times outnumber the filthy rich CEOs. Silly me...

The 1% figure is exaggerated.

In any case the multi-billion corporations are well served by the neo-marxist orwellian system.

You hear them saying "so and so is a capitalist vulture, sucking the blood of the working class", but also "the other one is good, nice fellow, provides jobs for so many people, a model of succesful businessman" ...

Depends who is who.

In any case that's not what I 'm on about re. those companies. It's the modus operandi.

Personally I support the large corporations (electricity-railways-gas) should be state owned but with real managers, no crossword puzzle champions.

This is not what the neo-marxist system wants. They want armies of do-nothing employes and we pay through the nose for them.

[cosmicway 1,333]

The pinks are in a minority really but the other parties are hopelessly divided.

Their percentge is 32%.

It's less than the all time low defeat percentage of a major party throughout Greek history.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Anyone has any thoughts on the drastic fall of price of oil over the last month?

That has really been something, especially oil a heavily traded commodity.

I have heard that opec does not care about cutting production as they want to weed out competition, namely America shale gas production.

Any thoughts on this?

Usa expected opec to reduce supply so that they can take some of their buyers with the oil they produce but they have refused to drop supplying. Infact I heard the general secretary of opec saying this is deliberate to drive off competitions from non opec oil producers who will be at a huge loss if they can't get any buyers like any new upcoming business would.

Even a Saudi Arabian minister said they can go with this price for a while, and their economy can stay 8years with low prices because of excess foreign reserves.

So the price won't go up any time soon imo, and even if it does I'm not expecting anything above 70dollars a barrel anymore.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The 1% figure is exaggerated.

In any case the multi-billion corporations are well served by the neo-marxist orwellian system.

You hear them saying "so and so is a capitalist vulture, sucking the blood of the working class", but also "the other one is good, nice fellow, provides jobs for so many people, a model of succesful businessman" ...

Depends who is who.

In any case that's not what I 'm on about re. those companies. It's the modus operandi.

Personally I support the large corporations (electricity-railways-gas) should be state owned but with real managers, no crossword puzzle champions.

This is not what the neo-marxist system wants. They want armies of do-nothing employes and we pay through the nose for them.

Criticism of capitalism is not advocating Marxist thoughts. Some say that Marx was more of a capitalist theorist and that there is very little in his work about socialism. But I've never been good in Economics to tell.

Personally, I support democratically worker-run companies. The supposed need for a power hierarchy in companies is, to me, completely imagined as is the need for the huge salary gaps. The generally uncontested idea that people should sell themselves for a salary is pretty ludicrous to me.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Criticism of capitalism is not advocating Marxist thoughts. Some say that Marx was more of a capitalist theorist and that there is very little in his work about socialism. But I've never been good in Economics to tell.

Personally, I support democratically worker-run companies. The supposed need for a power hierarchy in companies is, to me, completely imagined as is the need for the huge salary gaps. The generally uncontested idea that people should sell themselves for a salary is pretty ludicrous to me.

Those socialist ran companies are lame ducks.

They don't care about anything.

If you make a complaint they say to you things like "we found a village in Spain and another one in Belgium where it is the same - so you are lying when you say we are the only ones in Europe with a problem".

Then the companies collapse and the bailiffs are called in to unscrew the light bulbs or whatever is handy and those characters whistle carefree and they also say "we are being wronged" !

I don't really care if they were done a favour to be in there, in 1914, by Lloyd George-Clemenceau government.

Most people put the emphasis on that, party favouritism, but to me it's of secondary importance.

The thing is they 're not real managers / workers, they are "what me worry" types.

That has been a major contributing factor in today's economic problems.

[cosmicway 1,333]

The best of all possible worlds in industry is nationalization but without monopoly.

So we could have a public electricity company, not some private firms taking advantage of the situation. What might be better ?
But at the same time anyone who wants to build a power station should be allowed to do it. Go on, do it sir we 'd say, so we see how your business functions. What might be better ?

Public corporations are -supposedly- serving the people.
They are supposed to offer cheap services by as much as possible and also take good care of their workers, they don't look for 11-12 year olds that fit into mine shafts to save on digging operations.

Could we have those ?
It is going to be Plato's ideal state,

What I don't like -and nobody likes- is the traditional do nothing model under which national companies operate.
They could say to their "golden boys", do something and then you will become golden. They could say to the workforce "it's over with backgammon-dominoes at work". Is it possible ?

It's tempi difficili per le principi though.
I wonder what the lefties have to say about it.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Kicking off between Lebanon and Israel, with hezbollah saying theyve killed up to 15 israeli soldiers in a disputed territory. Israel now responding with heavy shelling of Lebanon.

Our on the spot TC correspondent Choulo19 - will this escalate ? Do Lebanon 'own' this Israeli occupied territory ? The BBC were saying Syria might have a claim on the land.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Kicking off between Lebanon and Israel, with hezbollah saying theyve killed up to 15 israeli soldiers in a disputed territory. Israel now responding with heavy shelling of Lebanon.

Our on the spot TC correspondent Choulo19 - will this escalate ? Do Lebanon 'own' this Israeli occupied territory ? The BBC were saying Syria might have a claim on the land.

The attack was on a convoy of 8-9 Israeli vehicles in occupied Lebanese territory. It was in retaliation after Israeli helicopter destroyed a Hezboullah convoy in Syrian territory last week killing an Iranian general and son of former Hezboullah military leader "Imad Moghniyye".

The attack is not in violation of any treaties or international laws because the territory belongs to Lebanon and is occupied by Israel.

Could as well escalate to a full scale war but that depends mainly on the crazy Natanyahu. If he doesn't start a war he will most definitely lose the upcoming election. If he does start a war he'll kill a few thousand Lebanese people, lose the war and still lose the elections.

It's all about the image of both Hezboullah and the IDF and psychological war and a new equation of uniting the Lebanese and Syrian front.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

The attack was on a convoy of 8-9 Israeli vehicles in occupied Lebanese territory. It was in retaliation after Israeli helicopter destroyed a Hezboullah convoy in Syrian territory last week killing an Iranian general and son of former Hezboullah military leader "Imad Moghniyye".

The attack is not in violation of any treaties or international laws because the territory belongs to Lebanon and is occupied by Israel.

Could as well escalate to a full scale war but that depends mainly on the crazy Natanyahu. If he doesn't start a war he will most definitely lose the upcoming election. If he does start a war he'll kill a few thousand Lebanese people, lose the war and still lose the elections.

It's all about the image of both Hezboullah and the IDF and psychological war and a new equation of uniting the Lebanese and Syrian front.

Its interesting, but not surprising as it happens so often, how our corporate media, here in the uk never reports on Israeli provocation - it always jumps straight to Palestinian/Lebaneses retaliation thus creating the idea of TERRRRRRORR.

All part of the Manufacturing Consent that Chomsky wrote so well about.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Its interesting, but not surprising as it happens so often, how our corporate media, here in the uk never reports on Israeli provocation - it always jumps straight to Palestinian/Lebaneses retaliation thus creating the idea of TERRRRRRORR.

All part of the Manufacturing Consent that Chomsky wrote so well about.

Everyone knew that there would be a retaliation from Hezboullah. It's all any paper/media source/politician/pundit in all of the region could talk about for the past week. The Israelis knew and tried everything from threatening to destroy Lebanon to trying to get the Russians to convince Hezboullah not retaliate.

The Israelis have zero legitimacy in talking about this retaliation attack. They attacked on Syrian territories and Hezboullah replied on Lebanese occupied land.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Everyone knew that there would be a retaliation from Hezboullah. It's all any paper/media source/politician/pundit in all of the region could talk about for the past week. The Israelis knew and tried everything from threatening to destroy Lebanon to trying to get the Russians to convince Hezboullah not retaliate.

The Israelis have zero legitimacy in talking about this retaliation attack. They attacked on Syrian territories and Hezboullah replied on Lebanese occupied land.

But the Western media dont talk about the original israeli provocation at all. They hold back and then report on Palestinian or Lebaneses responses as original actions to suit their agenda. Also if it actually came down to an israeli nuclear strike, or US bombing, to Western eyes they would appear as just retaliating

[CHOULO19 24,332]

But the Western media dont talk about the original israeli provocation at all. They hold back and then report on Palestinian or Lebaneses responses as original actions to suit their agenda. Also if it actually came down to an israeli nuclear strike, or US bombing, to Western eyes they would appear as just retaliating

It's almost like the vast majority of the main western media sources were owned by just a few people with common interests with Israel....oh wait..

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

"The rich, the rich, we gotta get rid of the rich !"

Hang on a minute, I want to be rich

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

GREEK voters have defied expectation by choosing not to be beaten like cringing dogs for the next five years.

Offered the choice between another half-decade of soaring unemployment and plummeting household incomes or a bit of a change, the Greek electorate has stunned Europe by making the wrong decision.

The ruling New Democracy party is still wondering how its platform of Endless Suffering For Everyone was defeated by Syriza’s competing message of Maybe Not That.

Athens voter Elena Mitropoulos said: “I was going to do the responsible thing and vote for continuing austerity, because I know how important it is not to damage the German economy, but madness overtook me in the polling booth.

“Now we face a future of working hospitals, of recovering industry, of my children not begging for food in the streets. I wish I had not been so rash.”

EU technocrat Denys Finch Hatton said: “There is a very real danger that people across Europe, inspired by the Greeks, will no longer choose to be ruled against their best interests by people they never voted for living in massive wealth hundreds of miles away.

“Though we hope they will follow the fine example Scotland set and continue to do just that.”

[cosmicway 1,333]

GREEK voters have defied expectation by choosing not to be beaten like cringing dogs for the next five years.

Offered the choice between another half-decade of soaring unemployment and plummeting household incomes or a bit of a change, the Greek electorate has stunned Europe by making the wrong decision.

The ruling New Democracy party is still wondering how its platform of Endless Suffering For Everyone was defeated by Syriza’s competing message of Maybe Not That.

Athens voter Elena Mitropoulos said: “I was going to do the responsible thing and vote for continuing austerity, because I know how important it is not to damage the German economy, but madness overtook me in the polling booth.

“Now we face a future of working hospitals, of recovering industry, of my children not begging for food in the streets. I wish I had not been so rash.”

EU technocrat Denys Finch Hatton said: “There is a very real danger that people across Europe, inspired by the Greeks, will no longer choose to be ruled against their best interests by people they never voted for living in massive wealth hundreds of miles away.

“Though we hope they will follow the fine example Scotland set and continue to do just that.”

Socialist garble.

Pie in the sky.

Those fools waiting for the working class palace mansions to arrive, have another thing coming.

But consider this:

Was this austerity the job of the old government, could they have ended it if re-elected or can the lefties now in government end it ?

If it was like the austerity of 1963 yes. The Centre Union ended that one - beating the conservative Radical Union by 53 to 35.

But it's not. It's a EU thing. EU says you have to change and they say the same the same thing now, afte the election.

In Sunday's election the pro-EU parties gained 89% of the vote, as the SYRIZA lefties themselves claim to be pro-EU.

The remaining 11% is neonazis plus orthodox communists.

So the lefties are crazy.

Now the levels of taxation will reach sky high.

Everyone except the party friends will suffer, much more than under the austerity system we had before.

I think of emigrating, to UK or Ireland. Life is going to be impossible and although we have seen some very left wing governments before -notably in 1981, 1985, 1993- this one looks like it's made up of cuththroats. It's a very dangerous situation and most of you are lucky not to live in such conditions.

* The departing prime minister mr Samaras is abused and vilified now but quite undeservedly so.

Do you know the family of mr. Samaras ?

His grandmather was Penelope Delta, the most fervent patriotic author of the early 20th century. A staunch liberal, placed under house arrest by the dictatorship of Ioannis Metaxas in 1936. Committed suicide in 1941, the day Germans were marching into Athens.

Samaras, born in 1951, never met his grand mother of course but he was always considered -and was- a "tory leftie", to the extent of breaking relations with the New Democracy party back in 1991.

Not the man to have a go against the poor, really !

What could he do ?

In my opinion he made numerous mistakes -even considering the strictures of the EU memorandum- but honestly !

Let's see the tavaric giving out the new wallets now to their power hungry mobs.

Maybe some Rolls Royces too !

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Incredible video of a ukrainien man trying to warn people of US plans of civil war in Ukraine at November 2013. As full proof as it gets

[CHOULO19 24,332]

killing an Iranian general and son of former Hezboullah military leader "Imad Moghniyye".

Right on cue, the Washington Post today leaked some of the details on how the CIA and Mossad assassinated Imad Moughnieh back in 2008: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-and-mossad-killed-senior-hezbollah-figure-in-car-bombing/2015/01/30/ebb88682-968a-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html

The hypocrisy of assassinating the "terrorist" with a car bomb in another country who was "destabilizing Iraq" but they left out the main reason why he was assassinated and that is he was the mastermind behind Hezboullah defeat of Israel in 2006. But the details of the operation are interesting..

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Right on cue, the Washington Post today leaked some of the details on how the CIA and Mossad assassinated Imad Moughnieh back in 2008: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-and-mossad-killed-senior-hezbollah-figure-in-car-bombing/2015/01/30/ebb88682-968a-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html

The hypocrisy of assassinating the "terrorist" with a car bomb in another country who was "destabilizing Iraq" but they left out the main reason why he was assassinated and that is he was the mastermind behind Hezboullah defeat of Israel in 2006. But the details of the operation are interesting..

Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war

Joint Chiefs, key lawmaker held own talks with Moammar Gadhafi regime

By Jeffrey Scott Shapiro and Kelly Riddell - The Washington Times - Wednesday, January 28, 2015

First of three parts

Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clintons 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.

The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafis son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence communitys concerns.

Gadhafis son and heir apparent, Seif Gadhafi, told American officials in the secret conversations that he was worried Mrs. Clinton was using false pretenses to justify unseating his father and insisted that the regime had no intention of harming a mass of civilians. He compared Mrs. Clintons campaign for war to that of the George W. Bush administrations now debunked weapons of mass destruction accusations, which were used to lobby Congress to invade Iraq, the tapes show.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-by-pentagon-/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/