Politics & Stuff

[Dion 2,476]

The slaughter of Natives in America was still going on less than 150 years ago not thousands and the the repercussions are ongoing. Why is Wounded Knee in 1890 ancient history but Israel in 1935 is modern? How about say, Pakistan? That was ethnic cleansing based on religion as well and it happened the exact same year as Israel was created in much the same way except much much bloodier. How about Russia (USSR) who ethnically cleansed millions around the same time because of ethnicity (Never mind murdering millions of people). How about Turkey who committed genocide AND forced ethnic Greeks out of Turkey? Why does Pakistan have the right to exist? Why does Russia? Why does Cambodia or Turkey or any of the many other countries who have done the same or worse than Israel? It doesn't really matter because it isn't really different. It's just an attempt to make Israel different from all other countries, why you can justify calling for the destruction of Israel but not any other country.

To be honest, Choulo never proposed the destruction of Israel. And just because we're talking about Israel it doesn't mean we condone any of the other cases you brought up. But the massacre against the indigenous people has stopped, at least in Brazil it has, whilst the one against Palestinians is still ongoing.

You wanna talk about massacre? Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay killed like 90% of the adult male population of Paraguay in the Paraguayan War (it may not be the exact number but I remember it was something as absurd as that). Two wrongs don't make a right. All of those were wrong and so is what Israel is doing.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The slaughter of Natives in America was still going on less than 150 years ago not thousands and the the repercussions are ongoing. Why is Wounded Knee in 1890 ancient history but Israel in 1935 is modern? How about say, Pakistan? That was ethnic cleansing based on religion as well and it happened the exact same year as Israel was created in much the same way except much much bloodier. How about Russia (USSR) who ethnically cleansed millions around the same time because of ethnicity (Never mind murdering millions of people). How about Turkey who committed genocide AND forced ethnic Greeks out of Turkey? Why does Pakistan have the right to exist? Why does Russia? Why does Cambodia or Turkey or any of the many other countries who have done the same or worse than Israel? It doesn't really matter because it isn't really different. It's just an attempt to make Israel different from all other countries, why you can justify calling for the destruction of Israel but not any other country.

Because the Palestinian ethnic cleansing is the only one still going on till now in an age where any news is universal and everyone is involved and interested in happenings all over the world. And we're also now in a world that after WW2 decided to move away from such genocides by creating international laws and standards. The global morals and ethics have moved on since WW2.

Add to that the fact that with Israel, you have other ongoing atrocities like all the massacres in the regular wars. And what in history compares to modern day Gaza? Nothing except the Nazi concentration camps. If Turkey were still killing Greeks in a regular basis, I'm sure a lot of people would be calling for repercussions.

On any account, "don't look at us, look at others" and "we're not the worst in history" are not exactly great moral arguments.

[Stingray 9,441]

why you can justify calling for the destruction of Israel but not any other country.

Bullshit, none called for this. Sorry mate. That is a straw man you are putting up. We are however debating the ethics of it all and the possibility of a humanitarian crisis (ow yes there are also many others, but that fact does not detract on what is going on in Gaza).

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

To be honest, Choulo never proposed the destruction of Israel. And just because we're talking about Israel it doesn't mean we condone any of the other cases you brought up. But the massacre against the indigenous people has stopped, at least in Brazil it has, whilst the one against Palestinians is still ongoing.

You wanna talk about massacre? Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay killed like 90% of the adult male population of Paraguay in the Paraguayan War (it may not be the exact number but I remember it was something as absurd as that). Two wrongs don't make a right. All of those were wrong and so is what Israel is doing.

Go back a few pages, I am sure you will find him calling for the end of Israel within that time period. I never said what Israel was doing was right He certainly has before (As do other people on here).

[Dion 2,476]

Go back a few pages, I am sure you will find him calling for the end of Israel within that time period. I never said what Israel was doing was right He certainly has before (As do other people on here).

I recall him proposing a state for both Israelis and Palestinians. Strictly speaking, yes that would be the destruction of Israel as we know it today for the existence of something bigger than either Palestine or Israel. But it wouldn't be the destruction of its people.

[Stingray 9,441]

Go back a few pages, I am sure you will find him calling for the end of Israel within that time period. I never said what Israel was doing was right He certainly has before (As do other people on here).

I just reread pages and pages ..... can you back up your statement plz. because i cannot find it.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I just reread pages and pages ..... can you back up your statement plz. because i cannot find it.

You didn't look very hard. Go back two pages. "There cannot be peace while Israel continues to exist. At least not in its current form".Anyway, this is old news. I've had this discussion with Cholou many times before. not in its current form."

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Go back a few pages, I am sure you will find him calling for the end of Israel within that time period. I never said what Israel was doing was right He certainly has before (As do other people on here).

What? I have said on several occasions (including on the very last page) that land is now also home to all those that are now Israeli citizens and that they cannot be thrown out like the Palestinians were in 1948. I have called for the end of Israel as racist apartheid Jewish blood thirsty state to be replaced by a single integrated democtaric seculra country that treats all the people currently living in the region in an equal basis.

[Stingray 9,441]

You didn't look very hard. Go back two pages. "There cannot be peace while Israel continues to exist. At least not in its current form".Anyway, this is old news. I've had this discussion with Cholou many times before. not in its current form."

So fucking what?? ..... this is clearly not what you meant with 'people want Israel dismantled'. Anyone talking about both a one state or a two state solution would be 'wanting the end of Israel' in your definition. Comon, be at least a bit serious.

It seems I looked a LOT harder than you on this thread mate.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

What? I have said on several occasions (including on the very last page) that land is now also home to all those that are now Israeli citizens and that they cannot be thrown out like the Palestinians were in 1948. I have called for the end of Israel as racist apartheid Jewish blood thirsty state to be replaced by a single integrated democtaric seculra country that treats all the people currently living in the region in an equal basis.

That is definitely better so sorry for what I thought you believed in and I would be all for it if I thought it even had a 1% chance of happening but it can't. Scotland is going to be close on secession vote . Quebec has almost voted to leave Canada more than once. Catalan wants more autonomy but somehow Israelis and Palestinians are going to get along? The racism is incredible. The bad blood is awful. The history is intense. The dehumanization of the other is overwhelming. It's simply not possible. Never mind, that nobody actually wants this solution. Israel wants a single-state solution where the Palestinians have no rights and are relegated to small pieces of land it controls and the Palestinians want a Muslim single state where Jews are either gone or secondary citizens. I haven't seen a poll in a couple of years, but at the time, the % of people who were interested in a secular single state was well under 10% and unlike other movements, this has almost zero chance of growing significantly unless levels of religion decrease significantly (they are increasing).

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Israelis calling for the rape of Palestinian women and murder of Palestinian children.

Also a video of them deliberately targetting an ambulance. Grim viewing, be warned.

http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/07/31/terrifying-video-shows-israeli-ambulance-attack-that-killed-palestinian-journalist-rami-rayan/

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I want to raise a controversial issue. One that i share with true academic historians that really lead the line about ww2. After all Belgium was in the middle.

When we talk about genocide on here we post an image, a clip

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We post a IDF thing

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DP

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I want to raise a controversial issue. One that i share with true academic historians that really lead the line about ww2. After all Belgium was in the middle.

When we talk about genocide on here we post an image, a clip

Lets do it....

Everyone knows this right?

[Stingray 9,441]

The depiction of a memorable photo. Iconic. But ...... A fake. Its not what is was, .......

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It was never about shooting mom and kid .....

[Stingray 9,441]

Very memorable/notorious and it actually got the zionist movement to block the science museum on the holocaust in Belgium