Politics & Stuff

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

No Palestinian rockets have killed any Israelis thanks to the iron dome paid for by US tax payers, but lets ignore that for a moment.

Palestinians like Israelis are composed of Christians, Muslims, atheists agnostics, socialists, nationalists, anarchists, etc ..and some Palestinians endorse and some despise Hamas

Israelis are a mixed bunch as well ranging from feminists, price tag settlers, right wing, left wing and groups like these ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchists_Against_the_Wall and some agree with the govt and some not.

The reality is like in most of these conflicts, the average Palestinian has more in common with the average Israeli than they do with Hamas if they bothered to talk to each other, and if the wall was torn down. And the average Israeli has more in common with the average Palestinian than they do with their murderous leadership.

Hamas does not provoke Israel to attack Gaza. Palestinians do. The very name of Palestine, the very fact and phenomenon of being a Palestinian, being a witness to the moral bankruptcy of the very idea of Zionism provokes Israel. The mere existence of Palestinians is the denial of Israel and its dominant Zionist ideology. That is the reason that Golda Meir famously said there are no Palestinians, for if there were any Palestinians, she would be a joke. So she had to say there are no Palestinians in order to be an Israeli prime minister.

The israeli colonial powers do not want to stop the rockets, they want the last bit of land for their rich friends, and will not rest , as one Isreali put it, ''until every Palestinian is washed out to sea.''

Right... they didn't kidnap 3 teenagers and killed them... they didn't fire rockets for more than 10 years...

[Fulham Broadway 17,304]

Right... they didn't kidnap 3 teenagers and killed them... they didn't fire rockets for more than 10 years...

Mate those few deaths are regrettable, as are the thousand s of Palestinians, but try and put it in a bit of context, and see what your govt is really doing.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Mate those few deaths are regrettable, as are the thousand s of Palestinians, but try and put it in a bit of context, and see what your govt is really doing.

If it was so easy to negotiate with them, and to accept the 2 countries solution..... it wasn't take so long...

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

If it was so easy to negotiate with them, and to accept the 2 countries solution..... it wasn't take so long...

Ok this is the part I don't understand Petr. Why negotiate with them and ignore the government of Abbas. Don't you think that if Israel gets into a serious realistic negotiations with Abbas you would have achieved some sort of solution? I am sure that if that was the case, Palestinians in Gaza would realize how much better it is for themselves. But the point is, Israel ignores Abbas and deals with Palestinians as if they are all Hamas. There is a clear distinction and mental approach between both.

[Behemoth 266]

Disgusting shit from the Israeli gov.

That's all I'm gonna say.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Ok this is the part I don't understand Petr. Why negotiate with them and ignore the government of Abbas. Don't you think that if Israel gets into a serious realistic negotiations with Abbas you would have achieved some sort of solution? I am sure that if that was the case, Palestinians in Gaza would realize how much better it is for themselves. But the point is, Israel ignores Abbas and deals with Palestinians as if they are all Hamas. There is a clear distinction and mental approach between both.

It's not that clear... we are trying to negotiate... doesn't work so far...

Disgusting shit from the Israeli gov.

That's all I'm gonna say.

yeah, very easy to say that from the far USA.....

Try to come and live in Sderot or any other south city...

[yuvala 2,167]

How stupid do you think people are to let Hamas hide rockets in their houses. Seriously, think about it for a second. And don't you think Hamas has better places to hide their rockets like under ground tunnels and storages? Why would they put their precious rockets in such vulnerable places?

And yes, it does seem that you just enjoy killing people. I refer you back to the couches and popcorn in Sderot...

It's all over the news, I just chose two random articles. More sources:

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/07/18/israeli-ground-invasion-kills-28-more-palestinians-forces-fire-unknown-white-poisonous-gas/

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-approves-ground-offensive-gaza-1556492146

Just Google it yourself.

Of course they have a choice! You think Hamas would have any fighters with them if they forced people to keep rockets in their houses? I can get keeping the rockets in schools and mosques because they are public places and Hamas may have power over them, but in private civilians houses? It makes absolutely no sense. Again why would Hamas leave their rockets so exposed when they can hide them in underground tunnels and storages?

I'm not justifying it, it's terrible to 'cheer' for death, but the rockets are falling are meant for psychological damage, and you know it. And you can't really mourn the death of an enemy soldier. For the Arabs, they are cheering for the resistance against the occupier of their country. What are the Israeli cheering for in the death of civilians? And let's be realistic, there is a difference between cheering for news (not that it's okay) and eating popcorn while watching whole neighborhoods with people living in them being bombed to the ground by some of the most devastating weaponry in the world. That's just inhuman.

This is EXACTLY why they're hiding rockets in places such as civillian houses or hospitals.. this alone proves (for me atleast) that we're not targeting random killing of civillians (and you saying that is just bias, sorry to say).

They're hiding the rockets there because they know that we try to stay away from killing innocent people and they also know that if we will bomb that storage it will make it look like we're killing for fun (by the way you talk, it works).

Also, you really over exxagerate Israelis being 'happy' whenever someone in Gaza dies. Yes, there are many ignorant people who just say "kill all the arabs", they are racist, stupid poor people. But most people I know are only 'happy' when we kill Hamas fighters and not civillians.

No Palestinian rockets have killed any Israelis thanks to the iron dome paid for by US tax payers, but lets ignore that for a moment.

Palestinians like Israelis are composed of Christians, Muslims, atheists agnostics, socialists, nationalists, anarchists, etc ..and some Palestinians endorse and some despise Hamas

Israelis are a mixed bunch as well ranging from feminists, price tag settlers, right wing, left wing and groups like these ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchists_Against_the_Wall and some agree with the govt and some not.

The reality is like in most of these conflicts, the average Palestinian has more in common with the average Israeli than they do with Hamas if they bothered to talk to each other, and if the wall was torn down. And the average Israeli has more in common with the average Palestinian than they do with their murderous leadership.

Hamas does not provoke Israel to attack Gaza. Palestinians do. The very name of Palestine, the very fact and phenomenon of being a Palestinian, being a witness to the moral bankruptcy of the very idea of Zionism provokes Israel. The mere existence of Palestinians is the denial of Israel and its dominant Zionist ideology. That is the reason that Golda Meir famously said there are no Palestinians, for if there were any Palestinians, she would be a joke. So she had to say there are no Palestinians in order to be an Israeli prime minister.

The israeli colonial powers do not want to stop the rockets, they want the last bit of land for their rich friends, and will not rest , as one Isreali put it, ''until every Palestinian is washed out to sea.''

I wouldn't really say that, we wouldn't invade Gaza if there wasn't terrorism there. BUT, I will not deny that some people (and the government) do not really seek peace and that is part of the reason for why there's not really much going on regarding peace.

* btw, it's important for me to say that I'm really trying to be objective and I dont share the same political views as 'XpetrCechx' and 'CFC4EVER'.

What I think the ideal solution should be is Israel together with the UN and other countries should help grow Gaza's economy and make the life of the Palestinians better which will IMO drop the amout of extremists and that would help Israel aswell as the Palestinians.

I dont really have a solution for the current situation though, its really too complicated.

[yuvala 2,167]

Ok this is the part I don't understand Petr. Why negotiate with them and ignore the government of Abbas. Don't you think that if Israel gets into a serious realistic negotiations with Abbas you would have achieved some sort of solution? I am sure that if that was the case, Palestinians in Gaza would realize how much better it is for themselves. But the point is, Israel ignores Abbas and deals with Palestinians as if they are all Hamas. There is a clear distinction and mental approach between both.

Hi Mohammed, how's it going ?

Could you elaborate on who are Abbas ? I really dont know much about it.

[Stingray 9,441]

This person got suspended for her talk. Comon Israel. You are going the wrong way. The banality of evil!!

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

This person got suspended for her talk. Comon Israel. You are going the wrong way. The banality of evil!!

Very Stupid Thing To do.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

This is EXACTLY why they're hiding rockets in places such as civillian houses or hospitals.. this alone proves (for me atleast) that we're not targeting random killing of civillians (and you saying that is just bias, sorry to say).

They're hiding the rockets there because they know that we try to stay away from killing innocent people and they also know that if we will bomb that storage it will make it look like we're killing for fun (by the way you talk, it works).

Also, you really over exxagerate Israelis being 'happy' whenever someone in Gaza dies. Yes, there are many ignorant people who just say "kill all the arabs", they are racist, stupid poor people. But most people I know are only 'happy' when we kill Hamas fighters and not civillians.

I wouldn't really say that, we wouldn't invade Gaza if there wasn't terrorism there. BUT, I will not deny that some people (and the government) do not really seek peace and that is part of the reason for why there's not really much going on regarding peace.

* btw, it's important for me to say that I'm really trying to be objective and I dont share the same political views as 'XpetrCechx' and 'CFC4EVER'.

What I think the ideal solution should be is Israel together with the UN and other countries should help grow Gaza's economy and make the life of the Palestinians better which will IMO drop the amout of extremists and that would help Israel aswell as the Palestinians.

I dont really have a solution for the current situation though, its really too complicated.

Full respect buddy.

Hi Mohammed, how's it going ?

Could you elaborate on who are Abbas ? I really dont know much about it.

It is all going fine.

Mamoud Abbas, AKA Abu Mazen. He is considered to be the legitimate leader for the Palestinians and is in the West Bank. He is also the leader of Fateh. He was viewed by Hamas as some sort of traitor because he refuses to solve the problems through violence and would rather seek a diplomatic solution. They even massacred people who followed Abbas in Gaza hence the division between the Palestinians. The guy is all for peace and Palestinians rights. Of course not everything he says and wants is accepted by the Israeli government, but he does not resort to violence or encourage it. If true real progress is made with Abbas, Hamas would be viewed as blood sucking militants IN THE EYES OF THE PALESTINIANS. That will be a huge step to dissolve Hamas, improve the life of people in Gaza and the West Bank, and will force Arab leaders in a corner where they would have to help out to make such steps work. Israel will not have to face Hamas on its own. Egypt will get involved, Jordan will get involved, and other countries will provide some sort of aid. It is a win win situation. The main reasons that caused those diplomatic approaches to fail over the past two decades was the settlements.

By the way check out this guy Shlomo bin Ami. He seems to understand more. And though yes there are points where there might be disagreements, but atleast the guy sees that there must be a proper way out. His approach is more diplomatic that a lot of the Israeli politicians

Edited July 18, 2014 by Mohammed Seif

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Hi Mohammed, how's it going ?

Could you elaborate on who are Abbas ? I really dont know much about it.

אבו מאזן.

[Stingray 9,441]

אבו מאזן.

Say what?

I hate that tbh. I dont speak dutch with skipper to other flemish guys. Its sum kotzen.

[yuvala 2,167]

Full respect buddy.

It is all going fine.

Mamoud Abbas, AKA Abu Mazen. He is considered to be the legitimate leader for the Palestinians and is in the West Bank. He is also the leader of Fateh. He was viewed by Hamas as some sort of traitor because he refuses to solve the problems through violence and would rather seek a diplomatic solution. They even massacred people who followed Abbas in Gaza hence the division between the Palestinians. The guy is all for peace and Palestinians rights. Of course not everything he says and wants is accepted by the Israeli government, but he does not resort to violence or encourage it. If true real progress is made with Abbas, Hamas would be viewed as blood sucking militants IN THE EYES OF THE PALESTINIANS. That will be a huge step to dissolve Hamas, improve the life of people in Gaza and the West Bank, and will force Arab leaders in a corner where they would have to help out to make such steps work. Israel will not have to face Hamas on its own. Egypt will get involved, Jordan will get involved, and other countries will provide some sort of aid. It is a win win situation. The main reasons that caused those diplomatic approaches to fail over the past two decades was the settlements.

Ohh Abu Mazen.. didn't know it wasn't his actual name.

I'm all for peace talks with the Palestinian government (just not Hamas), it should start with the West Bank because Gaza is really problematic now with Hamas.

Maybe if the life of the palestinians in the WB get better, people in Gaza will stop supporting Hamas.

Meanwhile, our government just keeps on letting the settlements expand and they're not really interested in talking.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Ohh Abu Mazen.. didn't know it wasn't his actual name.

I'm all for peace talks with the Palestinian government (just not Hamas), it should start with the West Bank because Gaza is really problematic now with Hamas.

Maybe if the life of the palestinians in the WB get better, people in Gaza will stop supporting Hamas.

Meanwhile, our government just keeps on letting the settlements expand and they're not really interested in talking.

Exactly my point. Well put.