Politics & Stuff

[Fernando 6,585]

You are joking right ?.

Ok lets ignore the 70 countries that the US has intervened in since 1945 in order to get the govt they want, resulting in over 40 million deaths, and just look at the two you mentioned.

Nicaragua. The US under Reagan in the 80s trained right wing Contras, death squads in Honduras with the sole aim of overthrowing the elected Sandanistas in Nicaragua. (The money for this was funded by the illegal sales of arms to Iran, a scandal which almost toppled Reagan). 30 000 people were murdered by Washington sponsored death squads in Nicaragua. many dragged from their beds and tortured for days before being killed. This is real terrorism. The US has invaded the Dominican Republic four times because they wanted a certain tyoe of government, not one the people elected.

For the long term peace of the middle East including Israelis the state should be dismantled imo. 90% of 'Israelis' are from Eastern Europe, they speak Hebrew and talk quote land given to them by god which is ridiculous. The cold war now has ended , the Third reich has gone, and it is safe for them to return to their countries instead of being a US sattelite army encampment with shopping malls and swimming pools.

Yeah and despite all that did Nicaragua and Dominican Republic turn to terrorism like in the middle east?

Since you said this is the cause of intervention, but if it was true it would happen everywhere.

And I keep saying you have no idea what your talking about in dismantling Israel. It's not an idea I will ever support.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Yeah and despite all that did Nicaragua and Dominican Republic turn to terrorism like in the middle east?

Since you said this is the cause of intervention, but if it was true it would happen everywhere.

And I keep saying you have no idea what your talking about in dismantling Israel. It's not an idea I will ever support.

No maybe they didnt turn to 'terrorism' as you put it because they were dead. Killing 30 000 people in Nicaragua by US sponsored death squads, because they want a US friendly govt -ie expolitation of the country, is real terrorism by my standards

Your second sentence -do you mean 'intervention is the cause' ? In Iraq the US has deliberately created a power vacuum the architect being John Negroponte, who has created Shia death squads. Negroponte was the “man for the job”. As US Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985. Negroponte played a key role in supporting and supervising the Nicaraguan Contras based in Honduras as well as overseeing the activities of the Honduran military death squads.

The US sponsored death squads in Iraq idea was confirmed by the Pentagon in 2005. They are also active in Syria-it is called ''The El Salvador Option''.

[Fernando 6,585]

No maybe they didnt turn to 'terrorism' as you put it because they were dead. Killing 30 000 people in Nicaragua by US sponsored death squads, because they want a US friendly govt -ie expolitation of the country, is real terrorism by my standards

Your second sentence -do you mean 'intervention is the cause' ? In Iraq the US has deliberately created a power vacuum the architect being John Negroponte, who has created Shia death squads. Negroponte was the “man for the job”. As US Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985. Negroponte played a key role in supporting and supervising the Nicaraguan Contras based in Honduras as well as overseeing the activities of the Honduran military death squads.

The US sponsored death squads in Iraq idea was confirmed by the Pentagon in 2005. They are also active in Syria-it is called ''The El Salvador Option''.

Yes I don't debate all that I never did.

I'm just challenging your original idea that intervention cause terrorist organization.

And I pointed that your wrong because if it was true it would have happened in every country.

But for some reason it only happens in the middle east and not in Nicaragua, Dominican Republic and such....

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Yes I don't debate all that I never did.

I'm just challenging your original idea that intervention cause terrorist organization.

And I pointed that your wrong because if it was true it would have happened in every country.

But for some reason it only happens in the middle east and not in Nicaragua, Dominican Republic and such....

OK maybe its because theyre dead. Think we'll leave it there.

[Fernando 6,585]

OK maybe its because theyre dead. Think we'll leave it there.

Who's dead? Nicaragua is there, DR is there and the people leaving peacefully with no terrorist organization.

So are you saying in order for a country in the middle east to be peaceful like DR that all the terrorists must die?

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

The plan for greater Israel and fracturing of islamic states is called -ODED YINON.

Basicallly the plan is to shatter the Islamic countries into pieces. Here is a quote: "The dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas is Israel's primary target." Iran is to suffer the same fate. Some say it is the U.S., under Zionist control, carrying out these illegal genocidal wars for Israel; and in the process expending blood and treasure while becoming the most hated and feared nation.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Who's dead? Nicaragua is there, DR is there and the people leaving peacefully with no terrorist organization.

So are you saying in order for a country in the middle east to be peaceful like DR that all the terrorists must die?

Look mate, the US killed 30 000 people in Nicaragua, cant make it any clearer. That is terrorism

[Fernando 6,585]

Look mate, the US killed 30 000 people in Nicaragua, cant make it any clearer. That is terrorism

But it does not create terrorism like in the middle east.

You can say USA did this and that.

But all I'm talking is your view that because USA intervenes then it creates terrorism as an after affect.

And that's a lie cause if it was true we would see the same type of chaos and atrocities that we see in middle east terrorist organization in Latin America.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

But it does not create terrorism like in the middle east.

You can say USA did this and that.

But all I'm talking is your view that because USA intervenes then it creates terrorism as an after affect.

And that's a lie cause if it was true we would see the same type of chaos and atrocities that we see in middle east terrorist organization in Latin America.

No they didnt create terrorists/freedom fighters in Central and South America to that extent because they set up de facto Washington friendly governments and dictators Pinochet, etc -mass murdering cunts. .

In the middle east I am sure you are aware, or maybe not, it is more complex and there the US has created what it likes to call, and you, terrorism. Its perfectly simple, even the Pentagon admits it, but I think your right wing perspective wont allow you to understand it.

[Fernando 6,585]

No they didnt create terrorists/freedom fighters in Central and South America to that extent because they set up de facto Washington friendly governments and dictators Pinochet, etc -mass murdering cunts. .

In the middle east I am sure you are aware, or maybe not, it is more complex and there the US has created what it likes to call, and you, terrorism. Its perfectly simple, even the Pentagon admits it, but I think your right wing perspective wont allow you to understand it.

So USA a Christian nation helped create terrorist organization that will use suicide attack, behead Christians children and all that?

Right......

[hjperdeath 2,226]

So USA a Christian nation helped create terrorist organization that will use suicide attack, behead Christians children and all that?

Right......

http://www.alternet.org/story/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation

[twobanger 13]

Fucking scum. I can't believe this can be done in the name of religion. These animals have got to be a growing collection of psychopaths from all over the world with an outlet for their madness.

IS with a captured Christian baby:

[Fernando 6,585]

http://www.alternet.org/story/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation

Good stuff it has many good points.

Won't deny most of the stuff however I will point out some of the ideas are biblical.

The freedom to choose.

The God of the Bible let's you choose whatever you want. He doesn't force you into something.

To love your neighbor as yourself, in that a lot of laws that brings about equality and justice.

Capitalism system in that you reap what you saw and such.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Dp

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Fucking scum. I can't believe this can be done in the name of religion. These animals have got to be a growing collection of psychopaths from all over the world with an outlet for their madness.

IS with a captured Christian baby:

These scum give atheist reason to say the world would be peaceful without religion. And it's sad to admit but they are right.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Fucking scum. I can't believe this can be done in the name of religion. These animals have got to be a growing collection of psychopaths from all over the world with an outlet for their madness.

IS with a captured Christian baby:

That's a picture from Gaza actually, but yeh absolutely disgusting stuff.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

These scum give atheist reason to say the world would be peaceful without religion. And it's sad to admit but they are right.

The world wouldn't be peaceful without religion because we would always find something to kill each other over.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

So USA a Christian nation helped create terrorist organization that will use suicide attack, behead Christians children and all that?

Right......

US isnt a christian nation, its multifaith, but mainly mammon.

[Fernando 6,585]

That's a picture from Gaza actually, but yeh but absolutely disgusting stuff.

From Gaza? I thought it was fake.

If from Gaza is that Hamas?

Cause I doubt IDF would be wearing sandals.

[Dion 2,476]

It's estimated 300,000 were killed in the blasts and aftereffects of radiation. Do you know what estimates were from a land invasion? 5,000,000 dead Japanese is the conservative estimate and 1,700,000 American casualties (400,000 dead). To this day when an American soldier is injured or killed in combat, the Purple Heart he/she is awarded comes from stock made for the invasion of Japan. So after conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan we still haven't had the numbers hurt or killed that an invasion of Japan would have incurred. 300,000 against 5,400,000 or 10,800,000 there's no rational argument the correct call was not made. (Some say Japan was looking for a conditional surrender already, to that I say the only surrender acceptable was unconditional.)

I fail to see how killing 300.000 people was the better choice between 5.000.000, 300.000 and a conditional surrender in which the conditions were regarding their emperor's safety. Even if I disregard the strong possibility that those numbers are inflated because they were brought up as part of a lobby in attempt to justify the use of the atomic bomb, even if I disregard that the war was already lost and the Japanese knew it, ergo the surrender was inevitable, I still fail to see how bombing them was the logical choice.

It only becomes the logical choice if one takes in consideration the US was already foreseeing the Cold War and wanted both to show its power to the Soviet Union and also restrain their influence on east Asia. But I don't think those are legitimate reasons to commit a crime against humanity killing thousands of Japanese civilians. But that's just me.