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[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Not the approach? we are doing above and beyond not to hurt inncent people, hamas is killing is own people by saying them to stay after the idf calls their homes and tell them to evacute.

A Palestinian boy in Gaza City holds a leaflet air-dropped by Israeli forces warning residents to evacuate.

the IDF does all in its power to limit civilian casualties. This is the TRUTH

LOL, you want people to leave there homes to be demolished and go where? Do you even know what your saying? A competent effective military knows how to take out the threat with minimal collateral damage. Not kill more civilians than enemies!

[Stingray 9,441]

A Palestinian boy in Gaza City holds a leaflet air-dropped by Israeli forces warning residents to evacuate.

And where would they go? You still haven't answered my question. Do you think Palestinians are equal to Israeli?

Let's talk about truth after that answer...

[Stingray 9,441]

to leave the house and be safe.

Thats a good one ...

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

thousands of people are left their homes not everyone yet, this is why we are not attacking more aggressively Hamas is telling them to stay he don't care about them he just want to use their homes to shoos rockets.

so it's their choice... to stay in their home and risk their life or to leave the house and be safe.

I already asked you a simple question, I believe stingray asked you the same. After they leave their homes and you destroy them, what do you expect them to do? Where do you expect them to live?

[Stingray 9,441]

I already asked you a simple question, I believe stingray asked you the same. After they leave their homes and you destroy them, what do you expect them to do? Where do you expect them to live?

Thats exactly the agenda, get them out and/or killed and annex the land. This tactics of silent killing in order to accomplish that agenda is just what is happening now. This is the definition of an ethnic cleansing - as it is been seen by more and more people all over the world and believe me the world is watching - not just the neocons that are posted here on those youtube movies.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

It's their problem! they can't blame Israel for bombing an area that rockets being shots from. how can you say Israel not doing the best not to hurt civilians? we are providing them food, electricity, gas, water EVERYTHING. all this things we provide to Gaza is also used by Hamas who trying to hurt Israeli civilians, what country will provide food gas etc... to the enemy? NO ONE!

we will not bomb all the houses, just those that Hamas use to shot rockets from it's their problem where they will live. it's better to stay alive without a home than risk your life.

LOL. That is just the most non sense thing I heard on this thread.

[Stingray 9,441]

It's their problem! they can't blame Israel for bombing an area that rockets being shots from. how can you say Israel not doing the best not to hurt civilians? we are providing them food, electricity, gas, water EVERYTHING. all this things we provide to Gaza is also used by Hamas who trying to hurt Israeli civilians, what country will provide food gas etc... to the enemy? NO ONE!

we will not bomb all the houses, just those that Hamas use to shot rockets from it's their problem where they will live. it's better to stay alive without a home than risk your life.

Gaza is a de facto concentration camp. It is against EVERY international treaty and law, what you guys are doing. And the argument about London being bombed: London was but it didn't put a fence around Belfast and bomb the shit out of it.

Its their problem you say ... it means an utter disrespect for the lives of innocent people. Hence my question: do you think Israelis and Palestininians are equal?

To quote the old testament:

20 The LORD also said, "Sodom and Gomorrah have many complaints against them, and their sin is very serious. 21 I must go down and see whether these complaints are true. If not, I will know it." 22 From there the men turned and went on toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing in front of the LORD. 23 Abraham came closer and asked, "Are you really going to sweep away the innocent with the guilty? 24 What if there are 50 innocent people in the city? Are you really going to sweep them away? Won't you spare that place for the sake of the 50 innocent people who are in it? 25 It would be unthinkable for you to do such a thing, to treat the innocent and the guilty alike and to kill the innocent with the guilty. That would be unthinkable! Won't the judge of the whole earth do what is fair?" 26 The LORD said, "If I find 50 innocent people inside the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake." 27 Abraham asked, "Consider now, if I may be so bold as to ask you, although I'm [only] dust and ashes, 28 what if there are 45 innocent people? Will you destroy the whole city because of 5 fewer people?" The LORD answered, "I will not destroy it if I find 45 there." 29 Abraham asked him again, "What if 40 are found there?" He answered, "For the sake of the 40 I will not do it." 30 "Please don't be angry if I speak again," Abraham said. "What if 30 are found there?" He answered, "If I find 30 there, I will not do it." 31 "Look now, if I may be so bold as to ask you," Abraham said. "What if 20 are found there?" He answered, "I will not destroy it for the sake of the 20." 32 "Please don't be angry if I speak only one more time," Abraham said. "What if 10 are found there?" He answered, "I will not destroy it for the sake of the 10." 33 When the LORD finished speaking to Abraham, he left. Abraham returned home.

Even though it has Hamas and rockets, it has more then 10, 20, 30 or 50 innocents. It already has 800.000 children.....

Have you lost your humanity completely?

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

So what you are basically saying is that because Hamas is using this tactics of shooting from innocent people houses Israel can't defend her self and allow Hamas to shoot freely?

A big part of Hamas leadership is hiding in the hospital because they not we will not bomb it, safe place for them. we didn't lost out humanity and we have the most human army in the world.

I believe he asked you twice if you think Israelis and Palestinians equal. Can you answer that? I am interested in knowing too.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Even John Stewart gets it and he's not exactly pro-Palestine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40R3Yb7DTzo

[Stingray 9,441]

No they are not Equal, we have the iron dome that intercepts around 90% of the rockets a first class system from her kind and this system is the difference between the two sides, we are developing high technology system to protect our civilians when Hamas uses civilians as human shields. we are in war and in war you have victims from both sides, yesterday we heard about the first Israeli who lost is life since the operation has started, one victim and one too much. I know the numbers in the other side are much more high but they are the victims of the way Hamas fight to "defend" is people.

Sad. They are the victims of Israels army and their weapons. I am glad you finally came through to speak your heart. You really do not see them as equal. So it is ok to kill innocents? Where do you want Hamas to hide in Gaza? Have you seen the place? If Hamas put a bomb on a IDF soldiers home, how severe would the retaliation be? You see them as Untermenschen, and yes, I do use that term.

Maybe you are one of those Israeli youths wearing a t-shirt like this?

The cultural environment is your country is so right wing right now, you are completely blind for it...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Seriously, how much of a fanatic must you be to believe that the attacks that are killing ten times more civilians than armed men is not targeting the civilians! 90% of the targets are civilians homes. Your planes have targeted hospitals, schools and UN shelters! Just this morning, a family was asked evacuate their home, and when they did, their car was blown up! Your state has killed more civilians than all the countries in the world since it's inception. Seriously, you are not fooling anyone with the "not trying to hurt civilians" crap.

[Stingray 9,441]

Seriously, how much of a fanatic must you be to believe that the attacks that are killing ten times more civilians than armed men is not targeting the civilians! 90% of the targets are civilians homes. Your planes have targeted hospitals, schools and UN shelters! Just this morning, a family was asked evacuate their home, and when they did, their car was blown up! Your state has killed more civilians than all the countries in the world since it's inception. Seriously, you are not fooling anyone with the "not trying to hurt civilians" crap.

You forgot the 5 kids they blew up on the beach just now. I bet Hamas was hiding under the sand as well...

[Stingray 9,441]

As Imam Khomeini said: "Israel is cancerous tumor which should be banished from the face of the earth!"

This will happen sooner or later!

We are working on it!

I agree with former post..peace is an answer. Not annihiliation. As much as i want it for Palestine, I believe Israeli are also people.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Blue Traveller and CFC 4 ever I have deleted your posts, both went beyond robust argument. But keep the political debate going by all means.

[Stingray 9,441]

You are always calming Israel has no right to replay,

No I did not. I said the retaliation is disproportional. Very much so and has been for decades. C

you are saying that we need to stop protect our people we must provide food water gas and electricity to Gaza while Israel is under fire. think for a second does it make scene?

No I didnt. But context matters. You forget the past, why do they need protecting in the first place? Plus, how is bombing a tightly locked strip of land with more than 50% children protection? It is sheer revenge and agression. Even Shin bet heads are now openly saying the only option put is through authentic debate. Not continuously violating every treaty possible and every UN resolution. Eg all the times you have been indicted.

we left Gaza 9 years ago we evacuate all the Jewish people who lived there what they did in replay to that? kidnapped our soldier, what did we did? we released more the 1000 terrorist who were in jail for killing Israelis. what country will let 1,000 people who tried to kill her citizen to be free for only 1 soldier?? That's right NO COUNTRY WILL DO IT, but we did. what do you think that those terrorist did? killed 3 teens 2 weeks ago, and you saying my country is too 'wing right'...

Also, yes those three teens were killed, if its Hamas none knows for sure yet. But even if it is, it was avenged by settlers porring gasoline down a young palestinians throat and setting him on fire. This immediatelly followed by bombings. So ..... Its a bit more nuanced. By the way, the comon worry now in Europe is indeed that the right wingedness is over the top. It Spears volumes that it is actually hard/ impossible to be a leftist nowadays there. That says a lot in a democracy.

Also, why are there soldiers everywhere, then why is it infused with Israeli checkpoints if you have 'retreated'. It is a concentraties camp, mate. Barb wired and everything. On the ostage taking- again context and history. Why did this happen? Also people dont just decide to kill themselves as suïcide bombers. What made them so desperate in the first place?

we will heat them with all the power that needed.

Like an oven .... I believe this .

I do listen to you, and i give examples, data, documentaries, artikels and opinions every time. Why not go about the same way if you have the facts on your Side? Fact embeded in context and history, mind you. This is such an important debate that im trying to do it in a civilized way. You are young, in a country full of turmoil. Every dissenting opinion is a blessing in disguise, i believe.