Politics & Stuff

[Fernando 6,455]

45 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

what's the problem with mail in ballots? they have always been there.

Trump is just full of shit trying to raise doubts about the legitimacy of voting by mail to steal the election. 0% truth in that. Trump lost the election fair and square and his efforts to fight against the inevitability of his demise are so far pretty pathetic

Well they have always been sketchy. 

Take a look at this report from the NY times years ago about this issue. 

 

Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html

In Florida, absentee-ballot scandals seem to arrive like clockwork around election time. Before this year’s primary, for example, a woman in Hialeah was charged with forging an elderly voter’s signature, a felony, and possessing 31 completed absentee ballots, 29 more than allowed under a local law.

Voting by mail also played a crucial role in the 2000 presidential election in Florida, when the margin between George W. Bush and Al Gore was razor thin and hundreds of absentee ballots were counted in apparent violation of state law. The flawed ballots, from Americans living abroad, included some without postmarks, some postmarked after the election, some without witness signatures, some mailed from within the United States and some sent by people who voted twice. All would have been disqualified had the state’s election laws been strictly enforced.

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18 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Well they have always been sketchy. 

Take a look at this report from the NY times years ago about this issue. 

 

Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html

there is the possibility of fraud everywhere. The crux of the lies by trump is entirely about how widespread it is. Literally an ongoing conspiracy theory by the person most likely to being able to actually carry it out, due to him being president (according to his own administration when used "the amazing powers of the US presidency" as a legal argument several times).

Besides, no problem here then since Florida went to trump to avoid "socialist" Biden lol
 

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“The problem,” said Murray A. Greenberg, a former county attorney in Miami, “is really with the collection of absentee ballots at the senior citizen centers.” In Florida, people affiliated with political campaigns “help people vote absentee,” he said. “And help is in quotation marks.”

Voters in nursing homes can be subjected to subtle pressure, outright intimidation or fraud. The secrecy of their voting is easily compromised. And their ballots can be intercepted both coming and going.

and the same article says republicans were more likely to vote by mail (likely including military) and they talk about how Bush won by counting the mail in.

Once again, we are in the middle of pandemic, but instead of making mail in voting easier and safer, the president tried to undermine it as a winning strategy. It will fail because his loss will be in multiple fronts.

[Fernando 6,455]

7 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

there is the possibility of fraud everywhere. The crux of the lies by trump is entirely about how widespread it is. Literally an ongoing conspiracy theory by the person most likely to being able to actually rig the election  due to him being president (according to his own administration when used "the amazing powers of the US presidency" as a legal argument several times).

Besides, no problem here then since Florida went to trump to avoid "socialist" Biden lol
 

and the same article says republicans were more likely to vote by mail (likely including military) and they talk about how Bush won by counting the mail in.

Once again, we are in the middle of pandemic, but instead of making mail in voting easier and safer, the president tried to undermine it as a winning strategy. It will fail because his loss will be in multiple fronts.

I have no problem with anyone winning, what I want is transparency, as this mail in ballots give a very bad vibe. 

Not just for now but for the future as well. 

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10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I have no problem with anyone winning, what I want is transparency, as this mail in ballots give a very bad vibe. 

Not just for now but for the future as well. 

fair enough.

I disagree though, especially in the middle of a pandemic (which is not being handled well in the USA) as I merely think it's a matter of will: to make it work as CO clearly does.

The penalty for fraud should be a strong enough deterrent -- it is pretty steep.

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[11Drogba 2,000]

Can we acknowledge that the attacks on Philly about fraud with zero evidence are based purely on racism?

Other cities baseslessly attacked are Detroit & Atlanta. See a pattern.

Black people being accused of crimes they didn't commit is not new. It's racism 101.

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US election 2020: Donald Trump's speech fact-checked

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54837926

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Steve Bannon’s lawyer quits after Bannon calls for Dr. Fauci to be beheaded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/nyregion/bannon-lawyer-beheading.html

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27 minutes ago, Vesper said:

US election 2020: Donald Trump's speech fact-checked

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54837926

the best one is

Trump: "It's amazing how those mail-in ballots are so one-sided too."

I hope he's just lying as usual, otherwise the guy is truly a moron.

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20 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Steve Bannon’s lawyer quits after Bannon calls for Dr. Fauci to be beheaded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/nyregion/bannon-lawyer-beheading.html

[lucio 5,418]

I don’t trust fact-checkers at all though , their censorship was pathetic 

 

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6 minutes ago, lucio said:

I don’t trust fact-checkers at all though , their censorship was pathetic 

 

BBC fact checkers wo VERIFY everything they show, with validated facts and links, are FAR different than rando debunkers

most debunkers are bullshit (the randos, not official world class journos)

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most all of Trumplandia have been taken in hook, line and sinker by utterly delusional conspiracy theories

it is so typical of cults of personality

it is also classic non linear warfare and reflexive control

the insane QANON claptrap is the best (and most dangerous) example

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21 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

the best one is

Trump: "It's amazing how those mail-in ballots are so one-sided too."

I hope he's just lying as usual, otherwise the guy is truly a moron.

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PRESIDENT Trump last night made a number of claims to the American people of dubious veracity. Here we fact-check them one by one. 

He has a dagger that can reverse time

The president claimed to own a dagger which can reverse time which he would use ‘to set this whole thing right’. Such a dagger is not believed to exist and experts say even if Trump were to go back 48 hours there would still be no path to election. 

All votes for Joe Biden are illegal

The president’s threat to track down and exile from the United States anyone found to be voting for ‘the illegal candidate’ Joe Biden is without legal basis and cannot be acted on.

 

Joe Biden is dead

The president’s claim that former vice-president Joe Biden ‘has been dead for months’ has been fact-checked and proven to be false. 

Joe Biden is Skeletor

The president’s claim that Biden is Skeletor, ruler of Snake Mountain and enemy of Eternia who is determined to claim the powers of Castle Grayskull, is clearly not true because he does not have Skeletor’s flamboyant dress sense.

He is Batman

The president’s surprising claim to be Batman, when He-Man would have made more sense given the previous claim, is without foundation. There is no cave under Mar-a-Lago, there is no Batmobile and the adventure Trump described was an episode of the Batman TV show broadcast in November 1967. 

A network of Democrat and Hollywood paedophiles consume children’s adrenalin glands to become immortal

The president was referencing the QAnon theory which claims he is a great hero secretly working to rid the world of evil. This is so obviously false it’s painful to say so. 

He was given the spaceship from Area 51 by a grateful nation

This is untrue and simply a desperate attempt to loot America’s treasures. The spaceship from Area 51, along with the bodies of several autopsied aliens and the lone survivor, belong to the people of the United States.

He is not a loser

Cannot be definitively proven until vote-counting is complete, but a 90 per cent chance that he absolutely is. 

 

 

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Pro-Trump "Stop The Steal" Group Gets Rebranded And Its Members Are Pissed

https://god.dailydot.com/facebook-group-hack/?fbclid=IwAR0irk-DtjRvaqTsgP3PWhWPD1H0kQRVB3YtwQpzRpL0MsFQieunk64e764

 

A Facebook group originally named “Stop the Steal” that had over 64,000 members was dismayed on Friday to find that the group name had been changed to “Gay Communists for Socialism.” Additionally, the group’s banner image was changed to a photo of Barack Obama and Joe Biden running down a White House hallway with rainbow flags in hand.

Images showing the change and the angry responses from group members were quick to pop up on Twitter as democracy fans revelled in their discomfort.

Many of the group members seem to be confused by the sudden change, with some blaming Facebook itself and others seeming to think the original administrators actually had a sudden and drastic change of heart. Others posited they were the victims of some cheeky hackers or clever pranksters.

It’s no secret that Trump supporters are no fan of Obama, Biden, communism, or socialism, and some of them also tend to have a problem with the LGBTQ community. The social media platform would, of course, never change a group’s name like this, so the original administrators either planned this prank from the beginning (screenshots show that it started on November 5), or the group was hacked.

Today, the group appears to have disappeared entirely from the platform. It’s currently unknown whether it was deleted by administrators or taken down by Facebook. All anybody knows is that the prank and group member reactions were hilarious.

 

 

 

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[Magic Lamps 11,653]

loving how the demagoges at Fox confirm the projection with gritted teeth and 10mins late