Politics & Stuff

[Kieran. 6,317]

44 minutes ago, Spike said:

I like how everyone mocks and jokes but deep down they know they've done some stupid things like that. 

ive never stuck my penis in a pig to be fair.

[Spike 12,049]

22 minutes ago, Kieran. said:

ive never stuck my penis in a pig to be fair.

Has there ever been a pig on hand? 

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

9 hours ago, Spike said:

I like how everyone mocks and jokes but deep down they know they've done some stupid things like that. 

Not fucked a dead pigs head.

Conversely, the problem is that hardly anyone mocks and it, and you're right its stupid but should be taken seriously, instead of airbrushed out of debate by corporate media. The act, along with others such as burning a £50 note in front of a tramp, is one of several performed by a clique of spoilt brats, born into great wealth, and from a school that has 'produced' 19 Prime Ministers.

So to my mind these things should be highlighted, if they have the arrogance to tell ordinary people how to behave later on in their glittering careers.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

On ‎09‎/‎07‎/‎2016 at 8:01 AM, Kieran. said:

it is a black problem, percentage of black folk in US and black people killed by police in the US is skewed.

Fact is if youre black in the US you are two and half times more  likely than any other ethnicity to be shot by police, and we haven't even got onto all the other harassment, imprisonment statistics that disadvantage black people from other ethnicities.

[Spike 12,049]

You know, I really don't understand why gays want to be able to be married, aside from taxation purposes. Western marriage is derived from Christianity, which for a lot of people is anti-homosexuality. Why do they want to partake in a ceremony that is derived from a religion with such beliefs? A couple doesn't need a ceremony or legally binding contract to prove their love for one another. Why can't people just gather their friend and family and have their own ceremony and celebration? A person doesn't need a minister or a government official to bind love, all it takes is an earnest and sincere oath to one another. That goes for everyone, marriage is an old-school notion, leave it to the people that want to celebrate their love in that manner; it doesn't need to change.

Of course I do understand the desire to be recognised as life partners in the eyes of the government, that idea I can fully support. 

[Fernando 6,585]

‘Transgender’ male arrested for taking pictures of woman in Target changing room

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-male-arrested-for-taking-pictures-of-woman-in-target-changing-r

 

I wonder what jail he will go? Men or Female jail?

[Peace. 4,352]

29 minutes ago, Fernando said:

‘Transgender’ male arrested for taking pictures of woman in Target changing room

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-male-arrested-for-taking-pictures-of-woman-in-target-changing-r

 

I wonder what jail he will go? Men or Female jail?

 

If such issues interest you, then you should and go watch a South Park episode of the season 18, the third I believe (called "the Cissy") !

[CHOULO19 24,332]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

You know, I really don't understand why gays want to be able to be married, aside from taxation purposes. Western marriage is derived from Christianity, which for a lot of people is anti-homosexuality. Why do they want to partake in a ceremony that is derived from a religion with such beliefs? A couple doesn't need a ceremony or legally binding contract to prove their love for one another. Why can't people just gather their friend and family and have their own ceremony and celebration? A person doesn't need a minister or a government official to bind love, all it takes is an earnest and sincere oath to one another. That goes for everyone, marriage is an old-school notion, leave it to the people that want to celebrate their love in that manner; it doesn't need to change.

Of course I do understand the desire to be recognised as life partners in the eyes of the government, that idea I can fully support. 

Probably for similar reasons why any couple who are not religious want to get married, plus the added the desire to get a marriage just because a lot of people in power say that they can't get one based on their sexual orientation. 

I don't personally believe in 'contractual' marriage** but I can see some of the advantages it gives, mainly to protect the rights of both members of the union in the case of a split/divorce. And besides taxation, adoption is nearly impossible in most cases unless you are legally married. As well as other small matters regarding things like how you interact with banks, bureaucracies, even employers...etc.

But most of all, keeping marriage illegal for queer people legitimizes bias and discrimination against them and further disenfranchises from society. The numbers for physical harassment and suicide attempts for gay and especially transgender individuals are just horrifying. Legalizing marriage for them it by no means solves these but it's a step towards them not being the 'other' anymore. 

 

 

**Ironically, and somewhat related to this topic, despite that fact, me and a lot of the younger generation here have been fighting for years for the right for civil marriage.

[Spike 12,049]

Just now, CHOULO19 said:

Probably for similar reasons why any couple who are not religious want to get married, plus the added the desire to get a marriage just because a lot of people in power say that they can't get one based on their sexual orientation. 

I don't personally believe in 'contractual' marriage** but I can see some of the advantages it gives, mainly to protect the rights of both members of the union in the case of a split/divorce. And besides taxation, adoption is nearly impossible in most cases unless you are legally married. As well as other small matters regarding things like how you interact with banks, bureaucracies, even employers...etc.

But most of all, keeping marriage illegal for queer people legitimizes bias and discrimination against them and further disenfranchises from society. The numbers for physical harassment and suicide attempts for gay and especially transgender individuals are just horrifying. Legalizing marriage for them it by no means solves these but it's a step towards them not being the 'other' anymore. 

 

 

**Ironically, and somewhat related to this topic, despite that fact, me and a lot of the younger generation here have been fighting for years for the right for civil marriage.

Transgender people kill themselves because no matter what, sans bullying, sans cultural and societal acceptance they'll be lying in bed at night thinking 'Maybe I'm not a real woman because I can't have children. What is the point living this life?'. The same goes for the opposite sex. The doubt will always be there, it will never go away, even the most adjusted individual will have that little thought gnawing away at their insides waiting for a moment of weakness to make their world crashing down on them. It'd take years of CBT just to accept something like that. For me transsexualism is a mental illness like anorexia, nothing wrong with the former but work has to be done with managing it externally and internally. 

The only trans person that was significantly present in my life ranks high in my list 'worst people I've ever known' list. Man, that bastard was an all round terrible person and one of the most mentally ill. Others I've met have seemed 'fine' but I wouldn't know as I've only known them superficially. 

 

[Dion 2,476]

3 hours ago, Spike said:

You know, I really don't understand why gays want to be able to be married, aside from taxation purposes. Western marriage is derived from Christianity, which for a lot of people is anti-homosexuality. Why do they want to partake in a ceremony that is derived from a religion with such beliefs? A couple doesn't need a ceremony or legally binding contract to prove their love for one another. Why can't people just gather their friend and family and have their own ceremony and celebration? A person doesn't need a minister or a government official to bind love, all it takes is an earnest and sincere oath to one another. That goes for everyone, marriage is an old-school notion, leave it to the people that want to celebrate their love in that manner; it doesn't need to change.

Of course I do understand the desire to be recognised as life partners in the eyes of the government, that idea I can fully support. 

I agree with you. But as absurd as that sounds to you and me, there are some who do not think homosexuality and catholicism/christianity are incompatible. It probably has its appeal to those, besides the more practical benefits like taxation, since they believe they should be together in the eyes of god or something to that effect.

[Fernando 6,585]

16 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

If such issues interest you, then you should and go watch a South Park episode of the season 18, the third I believe (called "the Cissy") !

Just saw it, good one. South Park is still classic when it comes to making fun of such issues. 

I still remember the episode they made about the recession of 08, margaritaville. 

Well all these laws are just taking the world to another crazier dimension then ever before. 

Pretty soon they will make legal for people to marry more then one partners.....

And why not stop there, if people are born like quote on quote that then what about people are who adulteress? If they are "born being adulteress", then why people will get offended? They should have right to sleep with anyone they chose too....yeah crazy laws that do not make sense coming to a world near you! 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

19 hours ago, Spike said:

Transgender people kill themselves because no matter what, sans bullying, sans cultural and societal acceptance they'll be lying in bed at night thinking 'Maybe I'm not a real woman because I can't have children. What is the point living this life?'. The same goes for the opposite sex. The doubt will always be there, it will never go away, even the most adjusted individual will have that little thought gnawing away at their insides waiting for a moment of weakness to make their world crashing down on them. It'd take years of CBT just to accept something like that. For me transsexualism is a mental illness like anorexia, nothing wrong with the former but work has to be done with managing it externally and internally. 

The only trans person that was significantly present in my life ranks high in my list 'worst people I've ever known' list. Man, that bastard was an all round terrible person and one of the most mentally ill. Others I've met have seemed 'fine' but I wouldn't know as I've only known them superficially. 

Not sure if that is what you mean but that sounds a lot like you are excusing people and society from any responsibility for the depressingly high suicide attempts for transgender people (around 40% iirc). That's just plain wrong. Of course discrimination against transgender people plays a huge part in that when 78% have experience physical harassment and 35% have been sexually assaulted! That's without even getting into the discrimination against them from employers and the enormous wage gap from transgender people. 15% of transgender people make under 10K per year in the US; four times more likely than cisgender people. Yeah, I'd be more inclined to kill my self if I were making less than 800$ per month too!

I don't put much emphasis on labels but calling it a mental illness is not in any way helpful (I personally don't find my cisgenderism to be that mentally healthy either!). It's not something that can be 'cured' but again it does legitimize discrimination. Lastly, I don't know why you are expecting all transgender people to share personality traits. That's usually a symptom of underlying bias. They're just people with a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth. That doesn't mean they aren't as complex as any other human or don't have all sorts of personalities. Weird and irrational to suggest otherwise.

 

EDIT: Right now in my community, similar arguments are being made but about homosexual people regarding how it is supposedly is a disease and linked to other mental illnesses with some even saying that the high suicide rates among homosexuals here is 'natural'; basically arguments that were made against homosexuals in the US and Europe in the 80s and 90s, but we've luckily moved away from that. So, I hope and do genuinely believe that we will move away from the discussion about mental illness and suicides among transgender people once they are better integrated into society.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

On a different note, this is your new foreign minister, UK?

Really? REALLY?! 

[Spike 12,049]

1 hour ago, CHOULO19 said:

Not sure if that is what you mean but that sounds a lot like you are excusing people and society from any responsibility for the depressingly high suicide attempts for transgender people (around 40% iirc). That's just plain wrong. Of course discrimination against transgender people plays a huge part in that when 78% have experience physical harassment and 35% have been sexually assaulted! That's without even getting into the discrimination against them from employers and the enormous wage gap from transgender people. 15% of transgender people make under 10K per year in the US; four times more likely than cisgender people. Yeah, I'd be more inclined to kill my self if I were making less than 800$ per month too!

I don't put much emphasis on labels but calling it a mental illness is not in any way helpful (I personally don't find my cisgenderism to be that mentally healthy either!). It's not something that can be 'cured' but again it does legitimize discrimination. Lastly, I don't know why you are expecting all transgender people to share personality traits. That's usually a symptom of underlying bias. They're just people with a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth. That doesn't mean they aren't as complex as any other human or don't have all sorts of personalities. Weird and irrational to suggest otherwise.

 

EDIT: Right now in my community, similar arguments are being made but about homosexual people regarding how it is supposedly is a disease and linked to other mental illnesses with some even saying that the high suicide rates among homosexuals here is 'natural'; basically arguments that were made against homosexuals in the US and Europe in the 80s and 90s, but we've luckily moved away from that. So, I hope and do genuinely believe that we will move away from the discussion about mental illness and suicides among transgender people once they are better integrated into society.

 

You didn't understand my post at all.

• I didn't excuse society from responsibility of high suicide rates amongst trannies.
• Being poor is no justification for suicide, the wage gap may be an end to a means but it's not the cause for suicide.
• I didn't say that trans isa mental illness and I didn't say it can be cured.
•  I forgot to clarify that Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness and the internal strife one experiences needs to be addressed with CBT. So yes there is a cure for that. Do you honestly believe someone can go through something as traumatic as gender reassignment and not need psychotherapy?
• I didn't judge trans people on that one person, that was merely an example of my experiences; nothing more. 

I honestly believe you are over simplifying the struggle of a transgendered person.There is more to the internal struggle than simply environmental and societal stimuli.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

On a different note, this is your new foreign minister, UK?

Really? REALLY?! 

Boris Johnson as foreign secretary what could possibly go right ?.