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Hey Nish... I don't think it's so much the fans - I think OT is a VERY LUCKY PLACE for Man U - that's what I mean... Sure their fans are 'Prawn Sandwich Brigade' ;)

But, how many important games have Man U won by a fluke bounce or something just breaking for them... I guess that's why it's called 'Home Advantage'...

Sure Technically RM have the better players - but as we've seen - grit and determination with a gulf in class can be hard to overcome!

RM played well and it could have been 5-2 to them on the night... DeGea played well (about time) - but also RVP choked a bit - is he going to be another Thierry Henry :P

So looking forward to the next leg... As an Englishman - gotta support English clubs, even though I'm obviously not a big fan of Manure.... ;)

Man I also support English Clubs all the time in Europe (Man United is the exception). I just don't ever support Man United because they're just destroying the game

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Man I also support English Clubs all the time in Europe (Man United is the exception). I just don't ever support Man United because they're just destroying the game

How are ManU destroying the game? I don't like them at all but we and City have certainly done more damage in the past decade to football than ManU has.

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How are ManU destroying the game? I don't like them at all but we and City have certainly done more damage in the past decade to football than ManU has.

Well I believe that they r involved in corruption and certain other illegal practices and I am pretty confident m8. They usually win by luck and r quite a boring side to watch (something we were criticised for by Manure which I found hypocritical).

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Well I believe that they r involved in corruption and certain other illegal practices and I am pretty confident m8. They usually win by luck and r quite a boring side to watch (something we were criticised for by Manure which I found hypocritical).

They don't win by luck. They win because they're a better team than most teams and because the other top clubs this season in the Premier League are in poor form. Home clubs get extra calls, good clubs get extra calls, and big clubs get extra calls but even these are fairly minor and they apply across the board. Chelsea get calls too. ManU are not particularly lucky but peoples' perception of randomness and how common things actually occur is off (which leads to conspiracy theories in general) ManU have had plenty of bad calls against them as well and we get plenty of good calls. What about last season? Referees could have handed ManU the title with ease by just calling one innocuous foul at the end of the last City game or having a little less extra time making a comeback impossible. It would have so easy. ManU win more late games because they are better than most teams. Teams that win more games are more likely to win more games late as they are likely to win more games early and more games in the middle. Anyway, just to show you how ridiculous this whole "ManU always pulls it out in the last minute" thing is. You know how many wins ManU has getting the winning goal in the 80th minute or later this season?.Five. Chelsea? Also five.

And Luck? What about our last year in the CL. One of the luckiest runs in football history. Roman must have bribed people, right? In order for there to be some sort of conspiracy in football, it would have to involve hundreds of people, be completely unnoticed by neutral observers and objective statistics, cost millions and millions of pounds, and never have a single leak... for what reason? What benefit is there to anybody other than Manu that ManU wins games? And if there were a conspiracy, why would ManU buy expensive players at all. They could win and save tens of millions of pounds every year. Why wouldn't it ever be noticed by objective journalists? Why would no record of it ever be found? This is why I hate conspiracy theories. They don't make any sense if you look at them rationally. You either think that ManU is the best team in the Premier League this season or that there is some massive conspiracy. Occam's razor wins again. And how are ManU boring to watch? They're the highest scoring team in the Premier League and they concede plenty of goals as well. I don't like ManU, but I'm sick of the ridiculous conspiracy theories. I also hate the "Manure" and "Liverscum" sort of thing. We're not Chel$ki and we're not 12 years old. It's possible to dislike other clubs without resorting to childish name calling every single time you reference them. I have friends who are supporters of most of the clubs in the Premier League. We disagree obviously, but I don't understand why "I support Chelsea" also has to turn into "every other club is shit and they're useless scum who need to die and even writing a proper name for their shit clubs is offensive" I don't care about Spurs or Liverpool or Barcelona. I want Chelsea to do well. That's what supporting a club is about. (rant over)

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They don't win by luck. They win because they're a better team than most teams and because the other top clubs this season in the Premier League are in poor form. Home clubs get extra calls, good clubs get extra calls, and big clubs get extra calls but even these are fairly minor and they apply across the board. Chelsea get calls too. ManU are not particularly lucky but peoples' perception of randomness and how common things actually occur is off (which leads to conspiracy theories in general) ManU have had plenty of bad calls against them as well and we get plenty of good calls. What about last season? Referees could have handed ManU the title with ease by just calling one innocuous foul at the end of the last City game or having a little less extra time making a comeback impossible. It would have so easy. ManU win more late games because they are better than most teams. Teams that win more games are more likely to win more games late as they are likely to win more games early and more games in the middle. Anyway, just to show you how ridiculous this whole "ManU always pulls it out in the last minute" thing is. You know how many wins ManU has getting the winning goal in the 80th minute or later this season?.Five. Chelsea? Also five.

And Luck? What about our last year in the CL. One of the luckiest runs in football history. Roman must have bribed people, right? In order for there to be some sort of conspiracy in football, it would have to involve hundreds of people, be completely unnoticed by neutral observers and objective statistics, cost millions and millions of pounds, and never have a single leak... for what reason? What benefit is there to anybody other than Manu that ManU wins games? And if there were a conspiracy, why would ManU buy expensive players at all. They could win and save tens of millions of pounds every year. Why wouldn't it ever be noticed by objective journalists? Why would no record of it ever be found? This is why I hate conspiracy theories. They don't make any sense if you look at them rationally. You either think that ManU is the best team in the Premier League this season or that there is some massive conspiracy. Occam's razor wins again. And how are ManU boring to watch? They're the highest scoring team in the Premier League and they concede plenty of goals as well. I don't like ManU, but I'm sick of the ridiculous conspiracy theories. I also hate the "Manure" and "Liverscum" sort of thing. We're not Chel$ki and we're not 12 years old. It's possible to dislike other clubs without resorting to childish name calling every single time you reference them. I have friends who are supporters of most of the clubs in the Premier League. We disagree obviously, but I don't understand why "I support Chelsea" also has to turn into "every other club is shit and they're useless scum who need to die and even writing a proper name for their shit clubs is offensive" I don't care about Spurs or Liverpool or Barcelona. I want Chelsea to do well. That's what supporting a club is about. (rant over)

Almost gave you a like!

I do think Manure (will explain it later) gets more winning goals than most teams. I dont have the numbers, but what if you changed it to the 85th minute and looked it up for the last 3-4 seasons? I honestly believe they will have more goals than any other EPL team. Now, this does not mean it is because there is match fixing, I just believe they know how to behave in the closing moments of a game while others lose focus...

Also, I think you are overreacing with the use of the childish names. It shouldnt be viewed as a disrespectful behavior, it is just a way to reminding people of how much you hate them. I only use it here to be honest (and I believe most people do the same), it is not like I will meet a Loserpool fan and talk like that; we would be both capable of having a civilized conversation, respecting each others point of view!

Absolutely agree with 95% of your post though!

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Meaningless to me because the site breaks down calls into "correct" and incorrect" and variations of those and it's not that simple. How many 50/50 calls are there? How many off-sides are impossible to tell? Referees will call fouls differently at different parts of the game. (Let it flow early and call fouls if starts getting chippy) And who exactly is doing the referee reviews? Which clubs do they support? (originally, all Arsenal). Do they have a bias in their analysis? Does their idea that ManU gets all the calls play into their watching of the game? What were the bad calls that went for United? Were they meaningless calls that didn't actually effect their record? (Getting a penalty in 5-1 win, etc..) The problem is that the site is trying to pretend that its math is objective, complete with charts and graphs, when it is subjective analysis analyzed.

And anyway, here's this which says exactly the opposite for last year. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9258810/Manchester-United-have-cause-for-complaint-as-unique-survey-highlights-Premier-League-errors.html

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You can't just look for "key" decisions. A wrong yellow card given to a defender wouldn't be considered a key decision by that article's criteria but still could lead to a goal because that specific defender would be now afraid to make a wrong tackle and be sent off etc. You have to look to the whole spectrum. And in doing that, you see Man Utd is favoured more than others.

I actually had another (better) article in mind to bring in here, I just couldn't find it. I'm not saying they bribe refs or there is some conspiracy, but refs seem to be biased towards them more often than not. How much those decisions affect the game seem to me as more random than how consistent refs are in favouring Man Utd.

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