The European Leagues & Competitions Thread V2

[Rmpr 8,977]

Just had a look at Arsenal's group again and was thinking of the following scenario. Knowing that head to head games is the primary tiebreaker when two teams finish with equal points, then what's the procedure if:

1. Dortmund, Napoli and Arsenal finish equal on points

2. Dortmund have better head to head record against Arsenal

3. Napoli have better head to head record against Dortmund

4. Arsenal have better head to head record against Napoli

If that happens then head to head games are ignored and the criteria is the teams' goal difference in all the matches, right?

That will only happen if the three teams beat each other with the exact same result. Otherwise it will go down to away goals or whatever (like it happened to us and Shakthar last year).

For instance: BVB beat Arsenal 2-0, Napoli beat BVB 2-0 and Arsenal beat Napoli 2-0. Then it will go to goals difference or whatever.

But that cant happen anymore....

[bushman 2,043]

That will only happen if the three teams beat each other with the exact same result. Otherwise it will go down to away goals or whatever (like it happened to us and Shakthar last year).

For instance: BVB beat Arsenal 2-0, Napoli beat BVB 2-0 and Arsenal beat Napoli 2-0. Then it will go to goals difference or whatever.

But that cant happen anymore....

I see, you are a bit confused here or whatever ?

[different level 1,056]

That will only happen if the three teams beat each other with the exact same result. Otherwise it will go down to away goals or whatever (like it happened to us and Shakthar last year).

For instance: BVB beat Arsenal 2-0, Napoli beat BVB 2-0 and Arsenal beat Napoli 2-0. Then it will go to goals difference or whatever.

But that cant happen anymore....

It was different with us and Shakhtar. We had the same number of points but they had better head to head record (by conceiding less goals in the home fixture). However in that case there were only two teams in question. In the possibility that I suggested we have 3 teams with the same number of points with their head to head records cancelling each other out.

Actually, there is a similar situation in the standings in that group right now.

Arsenal 3 2 0 1 5 3 +2 6

Borussia Dortmund 3 2 0 1 6 3 +3 6

Napoli 3 2 0 1 4 4 0 6

Marseille 3 0 0 3 2 7 −5 0

Considering we are looking the head to head games: Arsenal beat Napoli but lost to Dortmund, while Dortmund on the other hand lost to Napoli and all the teams are tied in points. So why are Arsenal first? The head to head tiebreaker is not working under these conditions and Dortmund have better goal difference.

[Jase 43,479]

It was different with us and Shakhtar. We had the same number of points but they had better head to head record (by conceiding less goals in the home fixture). However in that case there were only two teams in question. In the possibility that I suggested we have 3 teams with the same number of points with their head to head records cancelling each other out.

Actually, there is a similar situation in the standings in that group right now.

Arsenal 3 2 0 1 5 3 +2 6

Borussia Dortmund 3 2 0 1 6 3 +3 6

Napoli 3 2 0 1 4 4 0 6

Marseille 3 0 0 3 2 7 −5 0

Considering we are looking the head to head games: Arsenal beat Napoli but lost to Dortmund, while Dortmund on the other hand lost to Napoli and all the teams are tied in points. So why are Arsenal first? The head to head tiebreaker is not working under these conditions and Dortmund have better goal difference.

If 3 teams are on the same number of points in the group stage, then the rules to determine their position becomes different.

If in the group stage of the Champions League two or more teams finish equal on points after all the group matches have been played, the following criteria are applied to determine the group rankings:

1. Higher number of points obtained in the matches between the teams in question

2. Superior goal difference from the matches between the teams in question

3. Higher number of goals scored away from home in the matches between the teams in question

4. Superior goal difference from all group matches played

5. Higher number of goals scored

6. Coefficient points accumulated by the club in question, as well as its association, over the previous five seasons

Source: http://uefa-champions-league010.page.tl/How-we-play-it-.htm

What this means then is a mini-league will be created involving those teams. So in this case and going by the first rule there, Arsenal, Dortmund and Napoli have all beaten and lost to one another.

Arsenal

W - Napoli 2-0

L - Dortmund 1-2

Dortmund

L - Napoli 1-2

W - Arsenal 2-1

Napoli

W - Dortmund 2-1

L - Arsenal 0-2

Each of them have 3 points in this mini league and because of this, we then go to the second rule and look at the GD of the teams in matches between them. Arsenal have a GD 1, Dortmund GD 0 and Napoli GD -1.

Hence, this is why Arsenal are still top of their group, Dortmund in second despite having better GD and Napoli in third.

[different level 1,056]

If 3 teams are on the same number of points in the group stage, then the rules to determine their position becomes different.

What this means then is a mini-league will be created involving those teams. So in this case and going by the first rule there, Arsenal, Dortmund and Napoli have all beaten and lost to one another.

Arsenal

W - Napoli 2-0

L - Dortmund 1-2

Dortmund

L - Napoli 1-2

W - Arsenal 2-1

Napoli

W - Dortmund 2-1

L - Arsenal 0-2

Each of them have 3 points in this mini league and because of this, we then go to the second rule and look at the GD of the teams in matches between then. Arsenal have a GD 1, Dortmund GD 0 and Napoli GD -1.

Hence, this is why Arsenal are still top of their group, Dortmund in second despite having better GD and Napoli in third.

Thanks, I think that clears it up. Anyway It's highly unlikely to have the need to apply those rules in the end.

[bushman 2,043]

Somehow, I feel sorry for Citeh tonight. They have to play on really crappy pitch.

Those Russians painted the pitch green too.

[Special Juan 27,103]

Black pellets all over the pitch.

[bushman 2,043]

Black pellets all over the pitch.

Funny, isn´t it ?

Russia is just one fine country. Most likely, those who placed the pellets there were tanked.

[Special Juan 27,103]

I hope the City players come back with knees like my nana after playing on that pitch.

[bushman 2,043]

Now, I read those vodka drinkers mixed up Citeh & manures badgers.

i know, CSKA would prefer to play manures & who wouldn´t, these days ?

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

I actually want Arsenal to go through the group stage... The more games they play, the better

[different level 1,056]

I actually want Arsenal to go through the group stage... The more games they play, the better

If they finish third in their group they're going to the EL, so that also wouldn't make their schedule less busy.

[Thendo 1,088]

CSKA goes one up!

[mediator 2,026]

ahaha shity

edit : damn it's 1-1

[Thendo 1,088]

... City has been quite poor so far tho

[Pizy 17,860]

Aguero is so fucking good. So jealous that City have him.

Just imagine him in our side...

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

If they finish third in their group they're going to the EL, so that also wouldn't make their schedule less busy.

Oh yes, I forgot about that... Let's hope they finish third

[bushman 2,043]

Citeh are not going to finish 3rd this year. I see them 2nd, easily.