The European Leagues & Competitions Thread V2

[communicate 2,703]

1 minute ago, It's too big said:

Should have won the league last season then with their superior squad. This is the same Spurs who looked toothless vs Utd last weekend? I think the lack of pressure (which cannot be overstated enough) to win anything is a huge advantage for them over us, City and Utd, heck even add Arsenal to that somewhat. The coach knows he can bring in young players or not win the league and it not be a problem, but for us if we fail 2 seasons in a row to not win the league, the manager gets the boot most likely. They have some quality players, but I think they also get overrated a lot too. 

Yes they should have won the league for the past 2 years. We won it last year simply because of 343. Our squad is a tier below spurs and that is a fact.

Pocchetino played son and alli up top against United which was a mistake. Alli need a targetman like kane or llorente to partner with. Plus Mou did what he did best, nullify other team.

I agree with you that poch does not have the pressure to win every year hence he can build his squad and play young player

[Laylabelle 9,351]

7 minutes ago, It's too big said:

Should have won the league last season then with their superior squad. This is the same Spurs who looked toothless vs Utd last weekend? I think the lack of pressure (which cannot be overstated enough) to win anything is a huge advantage for them over us, City and Utd, heck even add Arsenal to that somewhat. The coach knows he can bring in young players or not win the league and it not be a problem, but for us if we fail 2 seasons in a row to not win the league, the manager gets the boot most likely. They have some quality players, but I think they also get overrated a lot too. 

And it something Jose said about in the past when everyone was raving about Arsenal in the carling cup.

How he'd like to play more youth and develop them but at the same time the pressure is there to get results an so nope. Though seeing how we're heading at the moment not exactly winning with the players we have..be nice if did just take a risk...prob gana get sacked either way. 

[communicate 2,703]

5 minutes ago, Fernando said:

The difference is that Pochetino works with youth. 

He helps push them through. 

Nothing like that with Conte. I said it last year, just like Mourinho managers that can't be bother with youth. 

Pochetino worked with them and is getting his reward. 

How many throphy has Poch won with spurs in 4 years ?

I cannot imagine a chelsea manager keeping his job doing the same thing in just 2 years.

[communicate 2,703]

3 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

And it something Jose said about in the past when everyone was raving about Arsenal in the carling cup.

How he'd like to play more youth and develop them but at the same time the pressure is there to get results an so nope. Though seeing how we're heading at the moment not exactly winning with the players we have..be nice if did just take a risk...prob gana get sacked either way. 

I disagree a bit on carling cup. Because you should play kids in carling but in general it is true. With team like us,united and city. If you don't win any throphy within 2 years, you are gone.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

1 minute ago, communicate said:

How many throphy has Poch won with spurs in 4 years ?

I cannot imagine a chelsea manager keeping his job doing the same thing in just 2 years.

We're lucky if a manager last more then 2 years in general. 

Aww only English team so far to lose..Oh well 

[Pizy 18,368]

Conte is every bit the manager that Poch is but the big difference is that his players will run through a brick wall for Poch and they are relentlessly positive and attacking. Same with City. Wave after wave of relentless attack.

Part of our problem is that we have about 5-6 slightly above average players in our XI and the other part of the problem is that they're soft. Their heads go down and they wilt when things get tough. We had ideal conditions to succeed last year with only the PL to focus on and the same XI that could play well rested each match. We're seeing the real level of our team this season as a result of inadequate buying and retaining of players last summer.

If we'd have kept Matic, bought a quality upgrade on Alonso, and another single attacking player of quality we'd look like a different team. 

[Tomo 21,733]

1 minute ago, communicate said:

How many throphy has Poch won with spurs in 4 years ?

I cannot imagine a chelsea manager keeping his job doing the same thing in just 2 years.

I reckon they might if they shown a similar trajectory and performance level. Roman's "itchy trigger finger" is wildly exaggerated.

[Tomo 21,733]

Just now, Pizy said:

Conte is every bit the manager that Poch is but the big difference is that his players will run through a brick wall for Poch and they are relentlessly positive and attacking. Same with City. Wave after wave of relentless attack.

Part of our problem is that we have about 5-6 slightly above average players in our XI and the other part of the problem is that they're soft. Their heads go down and they wilt when things get tough. We had ideal conditions to succeed last year with only the PL to focus on and the same XI that could play well rested each match. We're seeing the real level of our team this season as a result of inadequate buying and retaining of players last summer.

Conte is better and also as shown with Italy can get a tune out of flawed squad's, which makes his behavior over the window all the more annoying.I would actually say Spurs are similar to us circa 04-10, frighteningly effective but i don't see this sexy football people go on about.

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

we'd have kept Matic, bought a quality upgrade on Alonso, and another single attacking player of quality we'd look like a different team. 

I agree with the latter two but i believe Drinkwater is a better fit than Matic in our system.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, Tomo said:

I reckon they might if they shown a similar trajectory and performance level. Roman's "itchy trigger finger" is wildly exaggerated.

You like to make assumptions dont you. The reality is Roman looks at CVs of managers and brings trophy winners because he wants trophies. Thats why we wont see a manager planning for long term here or playing youth. 

 

[Pizy 18,368]

City may actually be the favorite for the CL along with PSG. Would be absolutely sickening to see them win both the PL and CL. Hopefully the latter doesn't happen. 

[communicate 2,703]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

I reckon they might if they shown a similar trajectory and performance level. Roman's "itchy trigger finger" is wildly exaggerated.

Then it is time for the board to show it because so far their record show otherwise.

I don't know whether Conte is the perfect guy for this team but from what he achived last season he need to be given time to build this squad.

 

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

 

If we'd have kept Matic, bought a quality upgrade on Alonso, and another single attacking player of quality we'd look like a different team. 

I have said it in the summer, what we need is one or even better 2 quality wb and one cb to replace terry, then our team should be pretty strong this season. 

[Tomo 21,733]

2 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

You like to make assumptions dont you. The reality is Roman looks at CVs of managers and brings trophy winners because he wants trophies. Thats why we wont see a manager planning for long term here or playing youth. 

 

And it's no more an assumption that he would still sack a manager even if we finished 2nd with 88 points and played well over the season? Look how much time AVB got despite dire performances and results, you think he would instantly chop a manager if signs are good despite inconsistent results?

[Tomo 21,733]

Just now, communicate said:

Then it is time for the board to show it because so far their record show otherwise.

Apart from Ranieri, none of the sacking's happened with the squad in a good moment, each time we were in freefall with no light at the end of the tunnel. If anything it speak's badly for our judgement appointing manager's but all sacking's so far have proven to be 100% correct.

[El P. 1,354]

Premier league clubs finally doing something in UCL. Hope they all go to the semi-finals and get knocked out. Couldn't stand Man City winning it, cause if they do they will get a lot closer to us in big trophies number.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, Tomo said:

And it's no more an assumption that he would still sack a manager even if we finished 2nd with 88 points and played well over the season? Look how much time AVB got despite dire performances and results, you think he would instantly chop a manager if signs are good despite inconsistent results?

Poch finished fifth in his first season. Enough reason for Roman to sack him and bring in a manager with trophies in his Cv.

[communicate 2,703]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Apart from Ranieri, none of the sacking's happened with the squad in a good moment, each time we were in freefall with no light at the end of the tunnel. If anything it speak's badly for our judgement appointing manager's but all sacking's so far have proven to be 100% correct.

It is not about after sacking that the team performance is getting better. It is about letting the manager know since the beginning that it is ok for you not to win anything as long as we play good football and you incorporate young player. Then hire a manager based on that. 

[Special Juan 27,424]

Sublime performances by Spurs and City, massive results. You have to acknowledge regardless of who they are just how good those wins were.


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[11Drogba 2,000]

12 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And it's no more an assumption that he would still sack a manager even if we finished 2nd with 88 points and played well over the season? Look how much time AVB got despite dire performances and results, you think he would instantly chop a manager if signs are good despite inconsistent results?

Also it is not just Pochettino. You also assume that we will replace Conte easily because we got Conte after Mourinho. Thats a weird assumption. Every manager knows now that we do not back Pl winning managers in the transfer window after winning the league.

It wont be easy after Conte.