The European Leagues & Competitions Thread V2

[Tomo 21,751]

1 minute ago, communicate said:

How many throphy has Poch won with spurs in 4 years ?

I cannot imagine a chelsea manager keeping his job doing the same thing in just 2 years.

I reckon they might if they shown a similar trajectory and performance level. Roman's "itchy trigger finger" is wildly exaggerated.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Pizy said:

Conte is every bit the manager that Poch is but the big difference is that his players will run through a brick wall for Poch and they are relentlessly positive and attacking. Same with City. Wave after wave of relentless attack.

Part of our problem is that we have about 5-6 slightly above average players in our XI and the other part of the problem is that they're soft. Their heads go down and they wilt when things get tough. We had ideal conditions to succeed last year with only the PL to focus on and the same XI that could play well rested each match. We're seeing the real level of our team this season as a result of inadequate buying and retaining of players last summer.

Conte is better and also as shown with Italy can get a tune out of flawed squad's, which makes his behavior over the window all the more annoying.I would actually say Spurs are similar to us circa 04-10, frighteningly effective but i don't see this sexy football people go on about.

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

we'd have kept Matic, bought a quality upgrade on Alonso, and another single attacking player of quality we'd look like a different team. 

I agree with the latter two but i believe Drinkwater is a better fit than Matic in our system.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, Tomo said:

I reckon they might if they shown a similar trajectory and performance level. Roman's "itchy trigger finger" is wildly exaggerated.

You like to make assumptions dont you. The reality is Roman looks at CVs of managers and brings trophy winners because he wants trophies. Thats why we wont see a manager planning for long term here or playing youth. 

 

[Pizy 18,877]

City may actually be the favorite for the CL along with PSG. Would be absolutely sickening to see them win both the PL and CL. Hopefully the latter doesn't happen. 

[communicate 2,703]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

I reckon they might if they shown a similar trajectory and performance level. Roman's "itchy trigger finger" is wildly exaggerated.

Then it is time for the board to show it because so far their record show otherwise.

I don't know whether Conte is the perfect guy for this team but from what he achived last season he need to be given time to build this squad.

 

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

 

If we'd have kept Matic, bought a quality upgrade on Alonso, and another single attacking player of quality we'd look like a different team. 

I have said it in the summer, what we need is one or even better 2 quality wb and one cb to replace terry, then our team should be pretty strong this season. 

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

You like to make assumptions dont you. The reality is Roman looks at CVs of managers and brings trophy winners because he wants trophies. Thats why we wont see a manager planning for long term here or playing youth. 

 

And it's no more an assumption that he would still sack a manager even if we finished 2nd with 88 points and played well over the season? Look how much time AVB got despite dire performances and results, you think he would instantly chop a manager if signs are good despite inconsistent results?

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, communicate said:

Then it is time for the board to show it because so far their record show otherwise.

Apart from Ranieri, none of the sacking's happened with the squad in a good moment, each time we were in freefall with no light at the end of the tunnel. If anything it speak's badly for our judgement appointing manager's but all sacking's so far have proven to be 100% correct.

[El P. 1,354]

Premier league clubs finally doing something in UCL. Hope they all go to the semi-finals and get knocked out. Couldn't stand Man City winning it, cause if they do they will get a lot closer to us in big trophies number.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, Tomo said:

And it's no more an assumption that he would still sack a manager even if we finished 2nd with 88 points and played well over the season? Look how much time AVB got despite dire performances and results, you think he would instantly chop a manager if signs are good despite inconsistent results?

Poch finished fifth in his first season. Enough reason for Roman to sack him and bring in a manager with trophies in his Cv.

[communicate 2,703]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Apart from Ranieri, none of the sacking's happened with the squad in a good moment, each time we were in freefall with no light at the end of the tunnel. If anything it speak's badly for our judgement appointing manager's but all sacking's so far have proven to be 100% correct.

It is not about after sacking that the team performance is getting better. It is about letting the manager know since the beginning that it is ok for you not to win anything as long as we play good football and you incorporate young player. Then hire a manager based on that. 

[Special Juan 28,133]

Sublime performances by Spurs and City, massive results. You have to acknowledge regardless of who they are just how good those wins were.


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[11Drogba 2,000]

12 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And it's no more an assumption that he would still sack a manager even if we finished 2nd with 88 points and played well over the season? Look how much time AVB got despite dire performances and results, you think he would instantly chop a manager if signs are good despite inconsistent results?

Also it is not just Pochettino. You also assume that we will replace Conte easily because we got Conte after Mourinho. Thats a weird assumption. Every manager knows now that we do not back Pl winning managers in the transfer window after winning the league.

It wont be easy after Conte.

[Pizy 18,877]

It's pretty astounding to think that just a few short months ago we finished 13 points ahead of City and felt on top of the world. Now in the blink of an eye they've become arguably the best side in Europe and our season is on the brink of crisis depending on this weekends result.

They've catapulted so far beyond us it's mad. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if by the time the January window rolls around that they're 10 points clear AND will add more top class quality to their team like Sanchez. 

The massive gulf in ambition between our clubs is staggering. One club wants to take over the football world and build a juggernaut whilst we were again complacent and content with what we had. The benefit of being bankrolled by a country with unlimited money as opposed to an individual I suppose.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

14 minutes ago, Pizy said:

It's pretty astounding to think that just a few short months ago we finished 13 points ahead of City and felt on top of the world. Now in the blink of an eye they've become arguably the best side in Europe and our season is on the brink of crisis depending on this weekends result.

They've catapulted so far beyond us it's mad. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if by the time the January window rolls around that they're 10 points clear AND will add more top class quality to their team like Sanchez. 

The massive gulf in ambition between our clubs is staggering. One club wants to take over the football world and build a juggernaut whilst we were again complacent and content with what we had. The benefit of being bankrolled by a country with unlimited money as opposed to an individual I suppose.

The benefit of a team willing to follow their manager, invest without hesitation and compete with teams to sign the best players.*****

Napoli are an amazing team, play with such style and press high and City bar a wobble at first comfortably beat them once they got properly going. City this summer went for fullbacks and a GK that suited, as they desperately needed them, got them and already had the main bulk of their MF and FW line. They were good last season at points but two new full backs of high quality (never thought I’d say that about Kyle Walker) and a very good, assured, commanding GK and they are a different team. Like we could of been with Alex Sandro, Oxlade Chamberlain and Marco Verratti... well I’d imagine we wouldn’t get him but hey no harm trying 😂

To give Spurs credit they done excellently tonight too. The differences between ourselves, City and Spurs in the upstairs of the club so to speak is all different but they are showing that it can be done a different way as we’ve done in the past. There is no one way to run a club but these guys are reaping the rewards of different approaches.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

30 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The benefit of a team willing to follow their manager, invest without hesitation and compete with teams to sign the best players.*****

Napoli are an amazing team, play with such style and press high and City bar a wobble at first comfortably beat them once they got properly going. City this summer went for fullbacks and a GK that suited, as they desperately needed them, got them and already had the main bulk of their MF and FW line. They were good last season at points but two new full backs of high quality (never thought I’d say that about Kyle Walker) and a very good, assured, commanding GK and they are a different team. Like we could of been with Alex Sandro, Oxlade Chamberlain and Marco Verratti... well I’d imagine we wouldn’t get him but hey no harm trying 😂

To give Spurs credit they done excellently tonight too. The differences between ourselves, City and Spurs in the upstairs of the club so to speak is all different but they are showing that it can be done a different way as we’ve done in the past. There is no one way to run a club but these guys are reaping the rewards of different approaches.

Napoli lost Ghoulam and it could be different if he wasnt injured. 

But credit where due City was amazing. So were spurs. 

I hope Napoli goes through, they are brilliant side, certainly one of best to watch this year and it would be little disaster not to see best napoli in knockout stages. Feyenord and shakhtar are certainly beatable and if they do their best, they will beat both. City should beat shakhtar aswell.

But funny tho, I ALWAYS wanted english football to rise again, to conquer the european throne and end spanish domination. City, Spurs are becoming formidable sides. United will too sooner or later. But Chelsea...we were the only english team not to be ridiculed for years, but now that english football is once again making serious impression in europe, we are falling behind. 

Yes we won two PL titles in past 3 years, but we looked average in europe since that semifinal with atletico, while City, United and even Spurs have improved massively. 

We are slowly becoming on level with Liverpool and Arsenal mentality on too many levels. 

Fuck, the board and players better wake up.