Kevin de Bruyne

[Azul 1,615]

Sorry, you harp on and on and on and on and on and on about KdB. IT WAS 2 YEARS AGO. 2 YEARS AGO, but now we're in a bad run of form all of a sudden it's back again.

I've had enough of Jose being blatantly disrespected in a run of form he has never previously seen in his career - he should get a break, especially considering his history at the club. He's not a 'donkey of a coach' as Lucio referred to him as, he's possibly the best of his generation, and I also wouldn't need to respond to such comments if there weren't so many of them. I don't mind a structured reason why Mourinho should leave, but crying over spilt, 2 year old milk crying 'Waaaaaaa we're not playing well, it's all down to Mourinho selling KdB, fuck off Jose' is simply not good enough and you have no right to moan about me when you are antagonising the other half of the forum that don't want another 5 years of instability which everyone seems to have forgotten about.

You only see things from your standpoint so I'm going to educate you to see things from different perspectives. First question :Was Jose right to get rid of Mata, KDB, Bertrand etc ?

I just want an answer to this question, don't tell me a story about stability etc.

[lucio 5,418]

Oh my God, let it go, it's getting embarrassing now.

feel free to ignore the video , if you are embarrassed.

we can't let it go , we have lost our talents, mid table , and going nowhere fast.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

You only see things from your standpoint so I'm going to educate you to see things from different perspectives. First question :Was Jose right to get rid of Mata, KDB, Bertrand etc ?

I just want an answer to this question, don't tell me a story about stability etc.

Was Jose right to buy Matic, Diego, Fabregas, Willian?

I'm sure your answer will concur with mine. And the irony in your post is that you can't see beyond your own view but yet you feel that you can lecture me in being one sided.

I'm not denying that Jose has made mistakes but you can't pretend that he hasn't done good things too. And that is where we diverge: I can accept his failings (and it's a small ratio compared to the good he has done) and say that he's the right manager for Chelsea. You seem to want us to become an embodiment of Arsenal. And that's not an exaggeration.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

feel free to ignore the video , if you are embarrassed.

we can't let it go , we have lost our talents, mid table , and going nowhere fast.

Yes you can. Bless, you still think we're going to finish mid table, utter delusion. But feel free to try and belittle me to retreat - I won't. Lost our talents? We lost KdB. We have Hazard, we have Cesc (who will come back) we have Matic, we have Willian, we have Kenedy, we have RLC, I could go on. I'll tell you what we have; a team. And this team won the league 3 months ago - if you think that it's now only worthy of mid table you are utterly deluded.

[Azul 1,615]

Was Jose right to buy Matic, Diego, Fabregas, Willian?

I'm sure your answer will concur with mine. And the irony in your post is that you can't see beyond your own view but yet you feel that you can lecture me in being one sided.

I'm not denying that Jose has made mistakes but you can't pretend that he hasn't done good things too. And that is where we diverge: I can accept his failings (and it's a small ratio compared to the good he has done) and say that he's the right manager for Chelsea. You seem to want us to become an embodiment of Arsenal. And that's not an exaggeration.

We would bought those type of players even if he wasn't here. We we're able to buy Hazard, Oscar, Mata and much more great players WITHOUT Jose. We we're interested in signing a CDM to replace Mikel and we we're also looking for a playmaker, remember the Modric saga? Don't get me started on how badly we needed a striker and we we're going to get one regardless if he was here or not. His failings was purely because of him. Mata and De Bruyne in my eyes are much better players than Fabregas is,so getting rid of them had a much bigger impact.

''You seem to want us to become an embodiment of Arsenal.'' Arsenal stuck with Wenger after he was failing and was too stubborn to change something and look at them. You're always talking about yourself in some sense, I WANT CHANGE you don't. So how in the hell would I want us to become like Arsenal?

Jose keeps talking about stability but he keeps selling young players with tremendous potential and he signs older players to replace them. The ones he does keep will not get any chances because he does not 'trust' them.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Technical players will always shine. We should have more technical players in our team and reduce people that even I am better on the ball than

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

We would bought those type of players even if he wasn't here. We we're able to buy Hazard, Oscar, Mata and much more great players WITHOUT Jose. We we're interested in signing a CDM to replace Mikel and we we're also looking for a playmaker, remember the Modric saga? Don't get me started on how badly we needed a striker and we we're going to get one regardless if he was here or not. His failings was purely because of him. Mata and De Bruyne in my eyes are much better players than Fabregas is,so getting rid of them had a much bigger impact.

''You seem to want us to become an embodiment of Arsenal.'' Arsenal stuck with Wenger after he was failing and was too stubborn to change something and look at them. You're always talking about yourself in some sense, I WANT CHANGE you don't. So how in the hell would I want us to become like Arsenal?

Jose keeps talking about stability but he keeps selling young players with tremendous potential and he signs older players to replace them. The ones he does keep will not get any chances because he does not 'trust' them.

1. You can also argue that you can find a player like De Bruyne on the market. And you can. Sorry but that argument holds no water. You can buy anybody you want if you stump up the money.

2. Fabregas can hold his own tbf - even if it does not seem like it right now. In half a season he got 20 assists, and that's no mean feat considering he was dormant for the rest of the year. Is Mata really better? He has not shined at MU - at least not his self at Chelsea pre-Mourinho.

3. Selling younger players? We have 30 players out on loan and about 30 more in the youth teams - and probably a sixth of those will make t, it's too early in Mourinho's reign to say whether they will integrated, in the next few years Christensen, Baker, Solanke, Bamford etc etc will demand scrutiny into the first team.

4. Arsenal. (Maybe a little harsh but I can see similarities, the mentality, the fans - it reminds me of what you want)

[Azul 1,615]

1. You can also argue that you can find a player like De Bruyne on the market. And you can. Sorry but that argument holds no water. You can buy anybody you want if you stump up the money.

2. Fabregas can hold his own tbf - even if it does not seem like it right now. In half a season he got 20 assists, and that's no mean feat considering he was dormant for the rest of the year. Is Mata really better? He has not shined at MU - at least not his self at Chelsea pre-Mourinho.

3. Selling younger players? We have 30 players out on loan and about 30 more in the youth teams - and probably a sixth of those will make t, it's too early in Mourinho's reign to say whether they will integrated, in the next few years Christensen, Baker, Solanke, Bamford etc etc will demand scrutiny into the first team.

4. Arsenal. (Maybe a little harsh but I can see similarities, the mentality, the fans - it reminds me of what you want)

Congrats you are the most deluded fan I have ever seen. I have learned to not discuss with you because you will deny everything I'll say, even though IT'S CLEARLY TRUE. So from here on out respond to every Mou related comment you see and defend Jose all you want. I don't give a f anymore...

[The Mak 4,459]

I think a lot can admit that Mourinho was an absolute fool for letting KDB go; especially considering his the moronic things to come out since about what he did/did not do at that time (like fail to even communicate with KDB properly throughout the whole time he was here). How the fuck can he discard someone so readily just because he didn't like the way KDB trained apparently? I don't know, maybe have a word with him José for fuck sake? You know, actually MANAGE the players?

It's clear now that he is a confidence player and Mourinho gave him no confidence whatsoever, he didn't even acknowledge him. That is unforgivable considering he chose Oscar over KDB & Mata, yet now he's throwing Oscar under a bus as well? Jesus Christ, you couldn't write it. Maybe KDB was right, perhaps if he was bought for 30m+ he would've given him the time of day.

Anyway, it's best to forget about it now despite how difficult it'll be seeing him bang goals in for City. However, if it is in anyway true about the rumours that Hazard isn't happy under José and wants to leave, then I'm sorry, but Mourinho must leave. He has already pushed top quality players out the door due to his dogmatic nature, but I wouldn't let him gut the team of all creativity and our best player only to fill it with a bunch of workhorses. He would set us back years with that sort of damage.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Funny thing people forget is that Mourinho did rate him a lot and loved his talent. However, after that debut only followed terrible performances along with reports of him training badly. Later he moved to Wolfsburg and we got to read that he WANTED to leave because he wasn't a guaranteed starter. He went many times to Mourinho's office for the sole purpose of asking to move. He moved to Wolfsburg and realized some of the massive potential Chelsea saw in him and gave him great loans and coaching to realize. Wolfsburg had a good part in that, but lets not forget the part Chelsea had. Now people are telling me that I think he is a bad player. That is not it at all. I think he is a great player we could use, like he is playing now. He will not have this purple patch of form forever though. Also with reports of lazy attitude I'm reserved to thinking we made that big a mistake. I just don't think he is as good as some here rate him.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Funny thing people forget is that Mourinho did rate him a lot and loved his talent. However, after that debut only followed terrible performances along with reports of him training badly. Later he moved to Wolfsburg and we got to read that he WANTED to leave because he wasn't a guaranteed starter. He went many times to Mourinho's office for the sole purpose of asking to move. He moved to Wolfsburg and realized some of the massive potential Chelsea saw in him and gave him great loans and coaching to realize. Wolfsburg had a good part in that, but lets not forget the part Chelsea had. Now people are telling me that I think he is a bad player. That is not it at all. I think he is a great player we could use, like he is playing now. He will not have this purple patch of form forever though. Also with reports of lazy attitude I'm reserved to thinking we made that big a mistake. I just don't think he is as good as some here rate him.

-As The Mak stated, he's a confidence player, you cannot expect a player to come up with his A-game if you just spent a month on the bench

-De Bruyne himself stated Mourinho barely talked to him in 6 months

-He has been in this form for nearly 2 years now

-He is not lazy, in fact he runs his socks off every single game

You don't need to like a player, but at least get to know the player, don't just regurgitate Jose's BS.

[Yeboii 1,844]

-As The Mak stated, he's a confidence player, you cannot expect a player to come up with his A-game if you just spent a month on the bench

May as well be.

-De Bruyne himself stated Mourinho barely talked to him in 6 months

And Mourinho stated that they talked in his office a few times and more of course. He talks to everyone during practise and countless of his former players have said he does not forget anyone and shows everyone interest. So why is KdB more likely to be telling the truth than Mourinho and his former players?

-He has been in this form for nearly 2 years now

He has had bad games in between like every other player. Wolfsburg is a great team and also played well to his strenghts.

-He is not lazy, in fact he runs his socks off every single game

I'm sure being sold from Chelsea was the kick in the butt he needed to start being less lazy. However, I've read and heard people say he does not like to defend at all.

You don't need to like a player, but at least get to know the player, don't just regurgitate Jose's BS.

Well shit I wrote a lot of text to reply and it didn't go on the forum. Maybe I'll write it again later lol

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

You don't need to like a player, but at least get to know the player, don't just regurgitate Jose's BS.

This is my problem in here, José is full of bs at times, no one can argue with that, but who is to say Kdb isn't full of bs as well?

Just read about what the Wolfsburg manager said about him. This is the kind of player that i really dislike for his attitude (i've never came to question his ability) and that i would never want in my team, just because i want a team, not 11 prime donne.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Well shit I wrote a lot of text to reply and it didn't go on the forum. Maybe I'll write it again later lol

You added it in the quote itself

I won't go further into it though; at the end of the day a manager of his calibre should have seen the talent he had at his disposal which, unfortunately for the Chels, he didn't.

[Weckerz 3,781]

This is my problem in here, José is full of bs at times, no one can argue with that, but who is to say Kdb isn't full of bs as well?

Just read about what the Wolfsburg manager said about him. This is the kind of player that i really dislike for his attitude (i've never came to question his ability) and that i would never want in my team, just because i want a team, not 11 prime donne.

What attitude would that be? Not sure what the Wolfsburg manager said.

[Yeboii 1,844]

You added it in the quote itself

I won't go further into it though; at the end of the day a manager of his calibre should have seen the talent he had at his disposal which, unfortunately for the Chels, he didn't.

Oh I see it now

Yeah me neither as I said before to someone else. Lets agree to disagree.

[SykikJV 146]

Funny thing people forget is that Mourinho did rate him a lot and loved his talent. However, after that debut only followed terrible performances along with reports of him training badly. Later he moved to Wolfsburg and we got to read that he WANTED to leave because he wasn't a guaranteed starter. He went many times to Mourinho's office for the sole purpose of asking to move. He moved to Wolfsburg and realized some of the massive potential Chelsea saw in him and gave him great loans and coaching to realize. Wolfsburg had a good part in that, but lets not forget the part Chelsea had. Now people are telling me that I think he is a bad player. That is not it at all. I think he is a great player we could use, like he is playing now. He will not have this purple patch of form forever though. Also with reports of lazy attitude I'm reserved to thinking we made that big a mistake. I just don't think he is as good as some here rate him.

De Bruyne lazy... Question his defensive ability and risk-taking for all I care, but calling him lazy couldn't be more wrong. Wolfsburg and City-fans would say you're delusional.

In his second game for Chelsea, he played a bad game at Man Utd, like most Chelsea-players did in that game. De Bruyne was the only player that got punished for it by Mourinho and he didn't respond in the way Mourinho would have liked. Knowing De Bruyne I can imagine he wasn't training in the most positive way at that time.

So I won't say that De Bruyne leaving Chelsea was just Mourinho's fault. But, and it's a big but for someone who considers himself to be a special manager, as a manager at that level, you should see which players can offer something special to your team and you should try/do everything to bring the best out of those players. Not every player responds in the same way when being publically slated by their manager while being ignored by that same manager. Mourinho should have seen that De Bruyne is a better player than Schurlle and that he can offer something different than Willian or Oscar. I'm quite sure that the price tag of the players involved plays a part in those decisions, while it shouldn't. Mourinho should have given De Bruyne a bit more confidence, especially when it was only his first few months in the Premier League and at a top level team.

In my opinion, that's everything there's to it. Mourinho treated De Bruyne in a certain way and De bruyne didn't respond in the way Mourinho would have liked. Mourinho made a mistake imo to leave it at that, he should have done more as he should have seen De Bruyne's potential and special talent. Maybe he'll take that with him and do things a little bit different in the future. But then again, it's Mourinho...

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

What attitude would that be? Not sure what the Wolfsburg manager said.

Can't find the link about it anymore sadly. It was about the same as Mourinho said, he doesn't overly apply in training and he's a player that will thrive when everything goes his way.

So, that's already two managers saying the same about him.... going by that, i wouldn't want a guy like that in my team.