Kevin de Bruyne

[Stats 7,059]

It's hard to ignore that playing for a top team is very different than playing for Everton regardless of what Martinez may have you believe.

I'm not a fan of Costa, but hardly feel Lukuka would be the answer at this moment. Down the road.... Perhaps but then it as indeed Lukaku who did not want to wait.

The same applies to KDB - more of a sure bet but a bet nevertheless. I watch him play and yes he's god, but if you read this thread you'd think he's a world beater and that he certainly is not - at least not yet.

The main valid criticism about KDB situation is that as far as we know he did not want to leave. So, we could have waited for his development but we are trigger happy with young players and that is not how you do it.

I think Lukaku would have done a lot better than what Costa has done. For a start Costa has got bullied by a lot of defenders this season. He has not made runs he should be doing, has seemed to lost a lot of pace. Lukaku on the otherhand has been dominant in the air, has outmuscled defenders, outpaced defenders, showed great hold up ability, and has generally looked a complete all round striker. Costa has frequently gone down in the box when you are thinking 'just focus on scoring ffs'. While he has not had great service, he has generally been poor while Lukaku has been immense.

KDB is no different to Hazard. They both are world beaters. Just because he has inconsistent games, that does not mean he is not a world beater. He is only 24, has accomplished great things at Wolfsburg and City already and considering this is his first season at City, he has done very well. Aguero is considered a world class striker. He has had more bad games for City than KDB has. But for me he still is one of the best strikers in Europe. Same applies about KDB.

[Simon1991 231]

Honestly, Lukaku lacks the technical hability to play in a club like Chelsea. Against teams defending for their lives, he's close to useless because he's limited in small spaces, which is what Chelsea has to deal with week in week out.

He mostly thrives when he has space to perform and can run behind defenders, and it is beyond obvious that it's more often the case with Everton than Chelsea. It's the same thing with the belgian NT, you can count the number of good games on one hand, simply because teams Belgium faces tend to give the possession up and defend more and more, and Lukaku is just not good in that set-up.

There's no denying he's a good striker (his figures accounts for that), but the environment he needs to perform just cannot be provided in a top-club like Chelsea, or any other top-club for that matter (in my opinion).

Hence, we should really just be happy that the club made a good piece of business with the sale of a player that is limited and moreover didn't want to be a second or third choice.

[zolayes 14,489]

Honestly, Lukaku lacks the technical hability to play in a club like Chelsea. Against teams defending for their lives, he's close to useless because he's limited in small spaces, which is what Chelsea has to deal with week in week out.

He mostly thrives when he has space to perform and can run behind defenders, and it is beyond obvious that it's more often the case with Everton than Chelsea. It's the same thing with the belgian NT, you can count the number of good games on one hand, simply because teams Belgium faces tend to give the possession up and defend more and more, and Lukaku is just not good in that set-up.

There's no denying he's a good striker (his figures accounts for that), but the environment he needs to perform just cannot be provided in a top-club like Chelsea, or any other top-club for that matter (in my opinion).

Hence, we should really just be happy that the club made a good piece of business with the sale of a player that is limited and moreover didn't want to be a second or third choice.

of course you are correct . It is so much harder for a striker in a good team than a poor one ... He would be perfect for us this year ..

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Im sorry I still dont get this logic about it being easier to play and score when playing in a "smaller " team . I guess that would mean Ronaldo or Messi would score

even more playing for Villa .. BTW last I saw both Everton and City were above us .. Lukaku AGAIN MOTM and in Garth Crooks PL team of the week .

WE are continuing to WASTE our young talent ,, Jose talks big about developing them but the facts don't back his rhetoric

Thought this was undisputed common knowledge to be honest.

Forget about standings and team... think club. Last season Everton was crap and they are still midtable (talk end of the season). Milan has been crap for years, but you are not going to start Kenedy in the LB position against them - that's the gist.

At the very least the counter attacking situation is obviously different: Lukaku scored many goals in counter attacks because Everton is pressurized higher up the pitch than CHelsea is. See how most teams face Barcelona. Barcelona only counter attack when they are winning by 2! Otherwise it's intricate passing until the back of the net.

Lukaku's main strengths are pace and power and at Chelsea he'd use less of that than at everton.

Again, I am not saying he'd be useless - far from it - but thinking that he'd turn into a Luiz Suarez or Lewa is crazy. And once again, HE was the one who wanted to leave. I can agree that we erred in not keeping KDB, and that our development policy is strange, but we did not want to sell Lukaku - he wanted to go.

I honestly think we do a disservice to KDB when we bring Lukaku into this thread - completely different cases.

[Essien19 1,415]

Bad game by his standards, should have done better.

When we're talking about his good games, his bad games have to be mentioned too.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

Bad game by his standards, should have done better.

When we're talking about his good games, his bad games have to be mentioned too.

Bad game I agree. Still 4 very big chances for City and he created 3 of them. One excellent corner and 2 very sick passes. Sterling certainly took an assist away from De Bruyne, how could he miss that chance?

[Essien19 1,415]

Bad game I agree. Still 4 very big chances for City and he created 3 of them. One excellent corner and 2 very sick passes. Sterling certainly took an assist away from De Bruyne, how could he miss that chance?

I think you're speaking about the chance near the end of the game, yes Sterling should have buried it, despite of his recent goals, sometimes Sterling can't score to safe his life, very frustrating to witness.

Pellegrino couldn't believe it either.

Overall, i was very disappointed by De Bruyne today, i kept my fingers crossed for a City win, because England are in desperate need of points, we need the fourth spot for UCL qualification to remain to England.

[jmarlow 458]

another poor game from De Bruyne, he has really gone off the boil.

[Barbara 15,149]

Champions League! is a higher level then international friendlies and qualifiers LOOL!

oh wait so you actually think its easier to score for top teams then it is for crap teams??? so by your logic then players like Suarez, Aguero, Lewandowski and Benzema cant be among the best strikers in the world as they all play for good teams, so players like Ighalo, Agirretxe and Javi Guerra must be among the best striker in the world as they play for crap teams!

shhhh

don't let him know how many international MATCHES each of them have played. People seem to forget Costa wasn't called for Brazil for most of his career and only near the WC he was called for Spain. If you do the goal/minute ratio - which I won't bother - I don't doubt Costa wouldn't be that much lower than Lukaku's...

[Essien19 1,415]

shhhh

don't let him know how many international MATCHES each of them have played. People seem to forget Costa wasn't called for Brazil for most of his career and only near the WC he was called for Spain. If you do the goal/minute ratio - which I won't bother - I don't doubt Costa wouldn't be that much lower than Lukaku's...

he has been banned, really sad, but responding to him is now useless.

[Barbara 15,149]

Honestly, Lukaku lacks the technical hability to play in a club like Chelsea. Against teams defending for their lives, he's close to useless because he's limited in small spaces, which is what Chelsea has to deal with week in week out.

He mostly thrives when he has space to perform and can run behind defenders, and it is beyond obvious that it's more often the case with Everton than Chelsea. It's the same thing with the belgian NT, you can count the number of good games on one hand, simply because teams Belgium faces tend to give the possession up and defend more and more, and Lukaku is just not good in that set-up.

There's no denying he's a good striker (his figures accounts for that), but the environment he needs to perform just cannot be provided in a top-club like Chelsea, or any other top-club for that matter (in my opinion).

Hence, we should really just be happy that the club made a good piece of business with the sale of a player that is limited and moreover didn't want to be a second or third choice.

ITA

even a donkey knows the difference between playing in a big team and a small/medium team. The opposition when facing a team much better than them do what Norwich did playing against us: double their defensive efforts. The more defensive the opposition is, more technical your striker needs to be and while that's not Costa, that's even less Lukaku.

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[zolayes 14,489]

shhhh

don't let him know how many international MATCHES each of them have played. People seem to forget Costa wasn't called for Brazil for most of his career and only near the WC he was called for Spain. If you do the goal/minute ratio - which I won't bother - I don't doubt Costa wouldn't be that much lower than Lukaku's...

well I will tell you

Costa has 1 goal in 12 games

Lukaku has 11 in 41 and at a much younger age,,

if you cant work out those ratios just ask

[Barbara 15,149]

@Essien19 answered you in what I think is a more appropriate thread, but yeah, I agree I'm the anti-moaning moaner.

[Special Juan 27,439]

More irrelevant posts hidden in this topic. People still not getting this 'stay on topic' thing!!!

[Viper22 2,418]

KDB better hope that when Silva comes back none of City's other AMs (Navs, Nasri etc.) hit form because he's behind Sterling in the pecking order and Silva is twice the player he is and he's not playing well so there's every chance he could be dropped if one of the others hit form. And we all know how Mr KDB reacts to being dropped and not an automatic starter don't we?

0 goals and 2 assists in the league since 3rd October and seeing as Costa gets absolutely slated by people on this forum (sometimes rightly) for his 2 goals and 1 assist in the league in the same time period that should mean he should be getting slated even worse (especially because he's playing for a brilliant team in great form), but of course in this weird world people who are allegedly fans of this club run down our own players viciously and build up others to be like gods who can tell?

He needs to step up massively to even begin to pay off his huge price tag and make it look anything except a good idea for Mou to let him go.

[Yeboii 1,844]

KDB better hope that when Silva comes back none of City's other AMs (Navs, Nasri etc.) hit form because he's behind Sterling in the pecking order and Silva is twice the player he is and he's not playing well so there's every chance he could be dropped if one of the others hit form. And we all know how Mr KDB reacts to being dropped and not an automatic starter don't we?

0 goals and 2 assists in the league since 3rd October and seeing as Costa gets absolutely slated by people on this forum (sometimes rightly) for his 2 goals and 1 assist in the league in the same time period that should mean he should be getting slated even worse (especially because he's playing for a brilliant team in great form), but of course in this weird world people who are allegedly fans of this club run down our own players viciously and build up others to be like gods who can tell?

He needs to step up massively to even begin to pay off his huge price tag and make it look anything except a good idea for Mou to let him go.

Look out what you're saying. Some fans of his on here will take offence of you being logical

[Viper22 2,418]

Look out what you're saying. Some fans of his on here will take offence of you being logical

I am awaiting the backlash from angry Belgians but I hope they will come back with a logical debate rather than bile, fury and hatred that I dared question KDB.

[zolayes 14,489]

I am awaiting the backlash from angry Belgians but I hope they will come back with a logical debate rather than bile, fury and hatred that I dared question KDB.

It looks more like you being a WUM.. BTW Im ENGLISH .. to begin with look at the full season stats