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^ I agree. This season Lampard has been more concerned with scoring than doing a job for the team.

Is securing a place for next season's Champions League not doing a job for the team? He scored when we needed goals the most (Villa), and he provided the two assists to Ramires that helped us win the Champions League last season.

Yes, he is no longer one of the world's greatest midfielders, but to say Lampard is no longer contributing is a little extreme imo.

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Yes and having to play with Mikel directly effects whoever has the misfortune to partner him ,look at the stats when Lampard plays and Mikel plays.

The waiter may have been told when he joined the club that Lampard was leaving and Mikel :wank2: had a new 5 year contract ,but by the end of his tenure he hasd worked out who was the better pivot ,oh and add the goals ,such a precious commodity in the game of football .

It doesn't matter who partners who lol. Lampard doesn't have the qualities to play in the double-pivot no matter if he's got Luiz, Ramires or whoever next to him. He could have Makelele next to him and it still wouldn't make an inch of difference. The point is, once you take those goals away from Lampard, you've got a passenger in the team.

He'll have a reduced role in the squad next season, we hope. It's not surprise our defense has been a major leak in our team, the balance of our midfield has never been up to scratch. That's a factor of many things, from the attacking players failing to trackback to the guys who are actually in the middle of the park. There's no question that there needs to be some signings made specifically for this position.

If Lampard is to play there, he's going to have to do a lot of adapting. One of those adaptations will have to be him going to search for a goal, every time, and keep his positional discipline. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening for a man with 203 goals.

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Lol your last 3 replies about this issue have all come back to talking about Mikel.

This is talking about Lampard's merits alone, not Mikel's. When you take away to goal scoring aspects of Lampard's game, he simply doesn't fit into the position that he's been deployed that. He lacks the ability to play in this double-pivot position, because it's not the type of player he is.

Lampard is simply Lampard, he is no player who has to be "the type of player for the double pivot". Lampard has his own style, whether it fits that common idea of a "double pivot" or not does not care, as of now, he still offers enough as a package. Actually he was one of our best players this season. So he surely is no reason for us having underachieved, infact he was absent when our season imploded and arguably the best player when the season was saved...he was there...in the double pivot.

Lamps has been our most creative player for 10 years, the reason, why we never needed a true no.10. His increased defensive duties have prevented him from assisting as much as usual. We can adress many things to improve, Lamps is not one of them.

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Lampard is simply Lampard, he is no player who has to be "the type of player for the double pivot". Lampard has his own style, whether it fits that common idea of a "double pivot" or not does not care, as of now, he still offers enough as a package. Actually he was one of our best players this season. So he surely is no reason for us having underachieved, infact he was absent when our season imploded and arguably the best player when the season was saved...he was there...in the double pivot.

Lamps has been our most creative player for 10 years, the reason, why we never needed a true no.10. His increased defensive duties have prevented him from assisting as much as usual. We can adress many things to improve, Lamps is not one of them.

You're blinded by your loyalty to Lampard. I appreciate this loyalty, but what's that old saying? No man is bigger than the club. I'm grateful for all that Lampard has contributed to the team, but that does not give reason for him to be included in the squad just because he's Lampard.

The needs of the team come first. If the dynamics of the squad aren't right and it's because of Lampard's inclusion then every manager in the world will do something to fix that. It couldn't be done last season because we simply didn't have the players to do so. Romeu was out injured, Luiz could only play that role v. weaker sides who wouldn't exploit his gaps and Mikel had been dropped.

Lampard was therefore an automatic inclusion, which I have no problem with. However, if stories of Modric are true, which I'm not saying are, but for argument sake, then Lampard will have to get used to the bench.

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It doesn't matter who partners who lol. Lampard doesn't have the qualities to play in the double-pivot no matter if he's got Luiz, Ramires or whoever next to him. He could have Makelele next to him and it still wouldn't make an inch of difference. The point is, once you take those goals away from Lampard, you've got a passenger in the team.

He'll have a reduced role in the squad next season, we hope. It's not surprise our defense has been a major leak in our team, the balance of our midfield has never been up to scratch. That's a factor of many things, from the attacking players failing to trackback to the guys who are actually in the middle of the park. There's no question that there needs to be some signings made specifically for this position.

If Lampard is to play there, he's going to have to do a lot of adapting. One of those adaptations will have to be him going to search for a goal, every time, and keep his positional discipline. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening for a man with 203 goals.

To be fair he has adapted his game a little bit to play double pivot but not as well as most people think.

He is not really a player who can dominate game with his passing and because he is not young anymore, he is not as dynamic as he is used to be. So basically right now he is just a rotation level player

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You're blinded by your loyalty to Lampard. I appreciate this loyalty, but what's that old saying? No man is bigger than the club. I'm grateful for all that Lampard has contributed to the team, but that does not give reason for him to be included in the squad just because he's Lampard.

The needs of the team come first. If the dynamics of the squad aren't right and it's because of Lampard's inclusion then every manager in the world will do something to fix that. It couldn't be done last season because we simply didn't have the players to do so. Romeu was out injured, Luiz could only play that role v. weaker sides who wouldn't exploit his gaps and Mikel had been dropped.

Lampard was therefore an automatic inclusion, which I have no problem with. However, if stories of Modric are true, which I'm not saying are, but for argument sake, then Lampard will have to get used to the bench.

I got no problem with Lamps being on the bench when there is a player who suits the formation better and has the necessary quality comes in. But fact is, as of now there is none + Lampard is still good enough. So we should rather buy a decent DM and a striker and a winger before we think about whether we really need a DLP and if we should splash out on a Lamps replacement.

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To be fair he has adapted his game a little bit to play double pivot but not as well as most people think.

He is not really a player who can dominate game with his passing and because he is not young anymore, he is not as dynamic as he is used to be. So basically right now he is just a rotation level player

Agreed and that's how it should remain to be fair. When we're 1-0 down or it's 0-0 and we need a goal, then sure. Throwing Lampard on in the last 10 minutes for someone who occupies that position will be great because his tendency to seek that goal will benefit us. But as a player that we're using specifically for double pivot? That won't work.

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I got no problem with Lamps being on the bench when there is a player who suits the formation better and has the necessary quality comes in. But fact is, as of now there is none + Lampard is still good enough. So we should rather buy a decent DM and a striker and a winger before we think about whether we really need a DLP and if we should splash out on a Lamps replacement.

The problem is lampard is 35, it does not make sense whatsoever to find replacement for rami/Mikel/romeu so that we can get the best of lamp. We should actually try to find an all around midfield to partner those guy

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All good views chaps ,but you do realise who the new manager will be? do not count out Jose using Lampard instead of one of the three ,because Jose is Lampard's greatest fan ,so if Lampard can show the waiter he is first choice still (as he did) despite the suits trying to force him out, Jose will not be a problem.

As I said expect Lampard to be rested for the big games that really matta and not being used as a fill in under Jose ,because Jose appreciates class.

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All good views chaps ,but you do realise who the new manager will be? do not count out Jose using Lampard instead of one of the three ,because Jose is Lampard's greatest fan ,so if Lampard can show the waiter he is first choice still (as he did) despite the suits trying to force him out, Jose will not be a problem.

As I said expect Lampard to be rested for the big games that really matta and not being used as a fill in under Jose ,because Jose appreciates class.

Let's not forget something about Mourinho.

He took out Iker Casillas out of the Real Madrid squad and replaced him with a man who's in his late 30's. Now he may have done it out of political motives, but it shows you that José is ruthless. He's not going to play guys out of blind loyalty for what they used to be.

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The problem is lampard is 35, it does not make sense whatsoever to find replacement for rami/Mikel/romeu so that we can get the best of lamp. We should actually try to find an all around midfield to partner those guy

Lampard might be 35 but he is a waay better player than any of these.

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This will surely be his last season with us when next season comes around, so can we just try and enjoy watching him play when he gets games instead of talking about how shit his tackling is or how he is/isn't good enough to still be a starter? :ph34r: It'd be quite awful to miss out on his final games here. I don't think he'll be playing that much next season.

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Let's not forget something about Mourinho.

He took out Iker Casillas out of the Real Madrid squad and replaced him with a man who's in his late 30's. Now he may have done it out of political motives, but it shows you that José is ruthless. He's not going to play guys out of blind loyalty for what they used to be.

Diego lopez is actually half a year younger than Iker Casillas.

But not only in that sense your post is completely wrong. The situation was different. Iker and Jose did not like each other from the very beinning. Lamps and Jose love each other. Also Lamps plays for what he is, our best central midfielder. under Rafa, who does not play players for what they used to be either (and surely not because Romeu was not fit lmao)

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Let's not forget something about Mourinho.

He took out Iker Casillas out of the Real Madrid squad and replaced him with a man who's in his late 30's. Now he may have done it out of political motives, but it shows you that José is ruthless. He's not going to play guys out of blind loyalty for what they used to be.

You are right it was political as well as Casiilas failing to cut out a cross in the game v Dortmund when a row developed between the two ,Mourinho will not be picking Lampard for what he used to be ,he will be picking him ( as the waiter did in front of Mikel) for what he is ,you think his first signing was Lampard out of nostalgia? You are answering your own argument here.

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