Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[BlueLyon 9,359]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

Icardi slow and not dynamic???????? What games have you been watching? He is a machine and deadly efficient. He has super pace too. Far beyond anything we have at atm.
 

Only one I tare higher would be Kane (as Ronaldo is going to be 34 in 5 and half months and I NEVER play CR7 and/or Messi-on-a-team games). Maybe Antoine Griezmann. Those 3 (Kane, Icardi, Griezmann) are now (or soon will be as Lewandowski hits 30 in 11 days and has but 2 or 3 tops years left max, a 33 year old Lewa is so NOT a 33 yo CR7) miles beyond all other pure strikers.

I dont count Mbappe (who will be best player on planet this year or next 1, 2 max) as a pure striker, although put HIM in that role on our team, puts Alex Sandro at LB, and add Bailey  at RW and we would have great shot at winning not just EPL but CL as well. Those 3 adds would make THAT much of a difference.

Lukaku, Robert Lewandowski (30yo), Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (30 in 10 months) , Aguero (30 next entire 2019-20 season), Gabriel Jesus, Edinson Cavani (32 in February), Dries Mertens (32 this season) Suarez (32 in January) Ciro Immobile (29 in a few months) Diego Costa (no comment, lol, other than he will 30 in 6 weeks) are next tier down.

That leaves only remotely good ones left as Martial (who was THE answer if not Icardi and we FUCKED up the swap for Willan), Rashford, Higuain (31 in exactly 4 months) , and maybe maybe Timo Werner (I have not seen him deliver the goods v good competition usually). Andrea Belotti (had a really bad year, IF he rebounds would be a good option)

 

As you can see, the only ones who are not wrong side of 30 (or soon will be and thus no multi-year contracts from us) are

Kane (will never happen)

Icardi (biggest fuckup of any team in world this window was us not signing him for £98m between July 1and July 15, when he had 2 weeks release clause at that level)

Griezmann (who turns 30 in the season after next)  will never come her unless its as a 30 plus something  one year at end of top level career
Lukaku  LOLOL, thanks board!!

Gabriel Jesus cannot see this happening ever whilst he is under 30

Ciro Immobile (turns 30 in middle of next season) after Icardi and Martial, this was 3rd best option, but time is running out due to his age

Martial  HUGE COCK UP, GRRRR

Rashford  If we cannot get Martial, we surely wont get him, lol

Timo Werner (maybe) IF he has a great year,this is a legit option for next year

Andrea Belotti (IF he rebounds would be a good option, we simply could not take the chance this window on him being another Morata flop)

that's it atm, literally

 

That's not a lot to choose from (Mbappe is not an option, curse the gods)

Tbh out of all players there, I would only pick Mbappe who will never come like you said. 

Decently strong, pace 9000 and lot of skill. Young but already experienced etc. 

Other options are all meh to me. Martial, Icardi seemed most possible but I would give a pass on either. 

Martial is one lazy ass and Icardi simply isnt mobile yes. I saw enough games. He isnt slow, but nowhere near enough dynamic for PL.

He is deadly in penalty area, can move there well, but he doesnt have pace or power of prime Didi, Henry, Suarez, Aguero...that is required for PL. There is a reason why no one bought Icardi yet. He is fantastic finisher, but offers little support in attack, and can not link up on wings or outside penalty area. Basicaly he can finish, but everyone nowdays looks for allround strikers and Icardi isnt one. Last but not least, one of biggest dicks in football. Just not worth the hassle.

Strikers out there are simply not great. Good but not great. Better than what we have but players like Cavani, Higuain, Lewa,...are nothing compared to Henry, Del Piero, Drogba, Ronaldo from some years ago. Only one realy good was Suarez who actualy performed in PL, La Liga, CL and world cups on regular basis. Absolutely fantastic striker, but also huge dick, however his quality is not questionable. Lewa was also good for about two seasons, but apart from buli, he constantly flopped in CL.

Werner just might be something in few years, but he will proly join Bayern.

And I hope you dont rate Lukaku lol. He is again one dimensional and Im glad we sold him. 

Thing is we have shit options and anyone above looks better. But that doesnt mean they are the solution. Why not take a look at lower clubs and try to find another Suarez, Drogba,...instead of poaching overpriced have beens from big clubs.

[Vesper 30,278]

What about Dybala (not that we could pry him away from Juve for less than £135 to more likely £150m range)?

[Alabama 1,992]

17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

What about Dybala (not that we could pry him away from Juve for less than £135 to more likely £150m range)?

Sensational player... Would flourish and excel in Willian position ala the right wing...

[Vesper 30,278]

Just now, eemanyooel said:

Sensational player... Would flourish and excel in Willian position ala the right wing...

I meant as a number nine, our main striker?

[Alabama 1,992]

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I meant as a number nine, our main striker?

As a striker...no way but as a false nine...it might work out...

[Vesper 30,278]

On 10/08/2018 at 10:20 PM, Vesper said:

 

lets hope Lautaro Martínez goes supernova for Inter, so they would more easily part with Icardi!!

 

Well, IF tonight's Inter v Atletico Madrid game is any type of portent of things to come, I may just get my wish!

LOOK at this goal by Lautaro Martínez

 

[Vesper 30,278]

I missed this

great pick up for them

WOW

what a window they had (for a Promoted clubs, Wolves did the same thing too, just not to this level)

Zambo Anguissa, along with Diadie Samassékou of RB Salzburg, and Denis Zakaria from Borussia Mönchengladbach was one of my trio of great young DMF's out there

 

I am still shocked Shitty didnt move for one of them or Steven Nzonzi or Danilo Pereira or Leandro Paredes, they are crazy to go into the season with the amount of games they play with only ONE DMF, (34-before-seasons-end Fernandinho) Maybe Pepe si doing away withe the position. Maybe he will use Fabian Delph there, who nows.

 

Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa joins Fulham from Marseille

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/09/fulham-andre-frank-zambo-anguissa-timothy-fosu-mensah-luciano-vietto

Fulham break record with £30m Anguissa transfer on frantic last day
• Fosu-Mensah and Vietto loan deals sealed after 5pm deadline
• Sergio Rico and Joe Bryan also arrive at promoted club

On a frantic last day of business Fulham broke their transfer record with the purchase of Marseille’s André Frank Zambo Anguissa, a deal which took their summer spending over £100m on their return to the Premier League.

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Fulham confirmed the arrival of Anguissa for around £30m having been granted permission by the Premier League to complete the formalities of the move after the 5pm cutoff.

The 22-year-old Cameroon international had undertaken a medical in the south of France earlier in the day. The defensive midfielder agreed a four‑year deal worth £67,000 a week.

Fulham had sought similar extra time to secure the loansignings of Timothy Fosu-Mensah, a versatile defender who spent last season at Crystal Palace, and Luciano Vietto from Manchester United and Atlético Madrid respectively. Vietto, an Argentinian striker, had cost Atlético £14m in the summer of 2015 but will now provide competition for Aleksandar Mitrovic. He has spent time on loan at Sevilla and Valencia in recent years. Deals for Sergio Rico and Joe Bryan were completed before the cut-off.

Chelsea had considered Rico, 24, as a replacement for Thibaut Courtois, after the Spain international fell out of favour at Sevilla. “Sergio is a world-class goalkeeper, and his services have been in great demand,” the Fulham’s director of football operations, Tony Khan, said. “Sergio answers our mandate of making our squad the strongest and deepest it can be as we face top Premier League opposition.”

Bryan arrived from Bristol City having pulled out of a prospective transfer to Aston Villa on Wednesday evening. The left-back cost £6m and has signed a four-year deal, with an option for a further season. “Fulham’s style of play has really stood out to me and it will suit me,” the 24-year-old said. “The opportunity to play in the Premier League is one you can’t turn down as you may never get it again in your lifetime.”

Jean Michael Seri, André Schürrle, Calum Chambers, Alfie Mawson, Maxime le Marchand and Fabri had joined earlier in the summer. Slavisa Jokanovic’s side are at home to Palace, coached by the former Fulham manager Roy Hodgson, on Saturday.

[the wes 7,212]

Ruben Neves was brilliant yesterday If we can't get Kovačić permanent I would go for Ruben Neves next season 

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

10 hours ago, the wes said:

Ruben Neves was brilliant yesterday If we can't get Kovačić permanent I would go for Ruben Neves next season 

Yeah I think hes a great young player. We were linked with him years ago when he broke out at Porto. He went to Wolves for peanuts in all reality because he is easy a 30-50m midfielder in the next 1,2 or 3 years. Also coming from Porto and going to the Championship is an interesting step but probably makes his adaption to the PL much better because hes done the championship, which is a gruelling league physically speaking. 

[Vesper 30,278]

Fuck!

another one of my young favourites (he would have been so good in Sarriball) just got snatched up, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

PSG agree £33m deal for Schalke defender Thilo Kehrer

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/12/psg-agree-thilo-kehrer-schalke-transfer

Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal worth a reported £33m (€37m)to sign the Schalke defender Thilo Kehrer, with the Germany Under-21 international set for a medical before sealing a move to the Ligue 1 champions.

The 21-year-old made his Schalke debut in February 2016 before enjoying a proper breakthrough last season. The centre-back was also part of the Germany team which won the European Under-21 Championships last year and played 27 matches in the Bundesliga last season.
He leaves Schalke after six years, having joined the club’s academy from Stuttgart in 2012. Schalke’s sporting director, Christian Heidel, did reveal, however, that Kehrer had verbally agreed to extend his stay with Schalke before PSG submitted a significant offer for the defender.

“In the end we decided to go for the transfer on financial grounds,” Heidel said. “Particularly since the player’s contract is due to expire next year.”

“A few weeks ago we had actually agreed a contract extension with Thilo. If this offer from PSG were not to have come through, I’m sure he would have gone ahead with the extension, likewise if we had turned the offer down or in the unlikely event something was to stop this deal going ahead.”

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[the wes 7,212]

Paris St-Germain midfielder Adrian Rabiot, 23, has turned down an offer to renew his contract with the Ligue 1 champions. The Frenchman's current deal runs out at the end of the season. (L'Equipe)

We should be all over this next summer 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

6 minutes ago, the wes said:

Paris St-Germain midfielder Adrian Rabiot, 23, has turned down an offer to renew his contract with the Ligue 1 champions. The Frenchman's current deal runs out at the end of the season. (L'Equipe)

We should be all over this next summer 

The man is as problematic as they get. No thanks to such characters.

Even if they perform good enough, they are eventualy pushed/force move out like Costa or Tibo. 

Just avoid this. There are Kovacic, Neves and bunch of other options we can pursue instead.

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

16 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

The man is as problematic as they get. No thanks to such characters.

Even if they perform good enough, they are eventualy pushed/force move out like Costa or Tibo. 

Just avoid this. There are Kovacic, Neves and bunch of other options we can pursue instead.

Problematic? Like Kovacic who went on strike and didn't want to train at Real because he didn't want to be there unless he was guaranteed regular minutes? Before asking to train alone as he didn't want to be there? Unfortunately that is what footballers do these days. Its perhaps unfair to point it out on Kovacic but again it could be the same with Rabiot. Doesn't necessarily mean people are problematic if they don't want to extend contracts at their clubs or that, there is always other implications or reasons as opposed to automatically dubbing somebody "problematic". Yes there are rumours of an ego problem and yes he didn't want to be on the reserve list for France but I honestly don't think they will care seeing as they won the World Cup, if anything it was his loss. 

Anyway, Rabiot is a good footballer in my eyes, solid defensively, good technique, quite strong on the ball and wherever he goes if he doesn't remain at PSG beyond next season he'll be good. A lot of talk of Barcelona wanting him but now they have Vidal perhaps they've shelved that idea. I think as well PSG would be stupid to lose him because he came through their academy and despite all the money they have he is quite well suited to their midfield after maybe initially not being as regular as he would have wanted when they started signing big players. Only 23 years old, played over 150 games for PSG, plenty of room to improve and a lot of big teams will be after him. 

[Vesper 30,278]

So what is going to happen with these who have not yet been loaned out? The first 3 especially.

I assume the rest will stay on reserves team.

Other players under contract
As of 10 August 2018.

Belgium    MF    Charly Musonda Jr.

Brazil         MF   Lucas Piazon

Czech Republic   DF   Tomáš Kalas

 

England    DF    Fankaty Dabo

England    FW    Ike Ugbo

Jamaica    DF    Michael Hector

Scotland   FW   Islam Feruz

England    GK    Bradley Collins

England    GK    Jared Thompson

 

Netherlands    MF    Marco van Ginkel <<< badly injured, so cannot go anywhere
England    FW    Izzy Brown <<< badly injured, so cannot go anywhere

[Vesper 30,278]

The proof that Chelsea's 'big spender' tag in the transfer market is a myth

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-transfers-news-latest-kepa-15043916

Premier League transfer fees have grown inordinately large - but they've actually gone up in-line with club revenues.

When Kepa Arrizabalaga signed for Chelsea for a world record £71m this summer it raised a few eyebrows as these kind of landmark transfers
often do.

However, what if someone were to tell you that that outlay was less of a big deal for the Blues than their signing of Fernando Torres was at
the time?

The Spanish striker signed for the club for £50m back in January 2011. That’s wing-back money these days. However, that fee was the equivalent of 23% of Chelsea’s revenue for the 20010/11 season.

 

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here is our net spending under Roman

Transfer spending under Abramovich (net)

2003-04: £151.4m
2004-05: £146.8m

NO MORE BIG SPENDING

2005-06: £51.7m
2006-07: £32.2m
2007-08: £13.8m

2008-09: £12.7m PROFIT
2009-10: £23.6m
2010-11: £94.5m
2011-12: £57.7m
2012-13: £75.8m

2013-14  £47.6m

2014-15  £6.4m PROFIT

2015-16  £2.7m

2016-17  £21.9m

2017-18 £54.1m

2018-19 £75.1m 

 

total £829.8m (will be around £800m or lower when all loans,sales are done this window) over 16 year time frame

works out to £50m NET per year

36% of ALL money net spent was in the first 2 years

take away those 2 years

the average net spend over last 14 seasons (per year) is £37.8m 

to put into perspective, Jeff Bezos, over last rolling 12 months or so has made £215m in profit PER DAY

[Fernando 6,592]

Real Madrid confirm Martin Odegaard has joined Vitesse Arnhem on loan

http://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/3606249/real-madrid-confirm-martin-odegaard-has-joined-vitesse-arnhem-on-loan

 

 

To Vitesse? Why is real madrid loaning players to our feeder club? 

 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

22 hours ago, Vesper said:

The proof that Chelsea's 'big spender' tag in the transfer market is a myth

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-transfers-news-latest-kepa-15043916

Premier League transfer fees have grown inordinately large - but they've actually gone up in-line with club revenues.

When Kepa Arrizabalaga signed for Chelsea for a world record £71m this summer it raised a few eyebrows as these kind of landmark transfers
often do.

However, what if someone were to tell you that that outlay was less of a big deal for the Blues than their signing of Fernando Torres was at
the time?

The Spanish striker signed for the club for £50m back in January 2011. That’s wing-back money these days. However, that fee was the equivalent of 23% of Chelsea’s revenue for the 20010/11 season.

 

snip

 

here is our net spending under Roman

Transfer spending under Abramovich (net)

2003-04: £151.4m
2004-05: £146.8m

NO MORE BIG SPENDING

2005-06: £51.7m
2006-07: £32.2m
2007-08: £13.8m

2008-09: £12.7m PROFIT
2009-10: £23.6m
2010-11: £94.5m
2011-12: £57.7m
2012-13: £75.8m

2013-14  £47.6m

2014-15  £6.4m PROFIT

2015-16  £2.7m

2016-17  £21.9m

2017-18 £54.1m

2018-19 £75.3m (will be less as other players are sold)

 

total £830m (will be around £800m or lower when all loans,sales are done this window) over 16 year time frame

works out to £50m NET per year

36% of ALL money net spent was in the first 2 years

take away those 2 years

the average net spend over last 14 seasons (per year) is £35.8m 

to put into perspective, Jeff Bezos, over last rolling 12 months or so has made £215m in profit PER DAY

It's kind of sad to think that the price tag which probably ended Fernando's career at the top level back in 2011 is considered wing-back money these days. Yet the media made such an enormous fuss about it then, constantly labelling him as the £50m flop or of that sort.

Nobody called Mpabbe the 180 million euro striker last year as far as I can remember even though he at the time had literally done nothing to prove he's worth nearly that much.

[Vesper 30,278]

35 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

It's kind of sad to think that the price tag which probably ended Fernando's career at the top level back in 2011 is considered wing-back money these days. Yet the media made such an enormous fuss about it then, constantly labelling him as the £50m flop or of that sort.

Nobody called Mpabbe the 180 million euro striker last year as far as I can remember even though he at the time had literally done nothing to prove he's worth nearly that much.

I would argue Mbappe is that once in a decade plus (look at he length of time between Maradona and then the rise of Messi and Ronaldo) who can be top 5 player ever. Of course he has MANY miles to go to get there, BUT he already has a WC (something 5 of my top 10 players ever do NOT have)

Pele yes, 3 

Maradona yes 1

Messi no

Ronaldo no

Zidane yes 1

Cruyff no

Beckenbauer yes 1

Ferenc Puskás no

Garrincha yes 2

Alfredo Di Stéfano no

 

Mbappe has a shot at tying Pele with 3 WC's. France 2022 also is the the first team since 1970 that has a legit shot at being the best ever, knocking off Brasil 1970. They are absolutely loaded to point where the NON-SELECTED 2018 players could make up a team that would have a shot at winning the CL. They also may get Leroy Sane, who is eligible to play for France and is so pissed off about 2018 the German press and fans are terrified he switches. Not only that but they have an array of 16 to 20 year olds who can emerge as well.

2022 France potential wingers

Kylian Mbappe
Leroy Sane
Thomas Lemar 
Ousmane Dembélé

that's just SICK!!

they are all 19 to 22 years old too!!! just those 4 are worth over half a BILLION quid in market transfer cost closer to 550 million quid

and add in

Kingsley Coman (also 22) who Bayern just put a 100m euro valuation release clause on

and you have just FIVE french wingers

worth TWO THIRDS of a Billion pounds

that's almost 900 MILLION usa dollars

 

[the wes 7,212]

20 hours ago, Vesper said:

I would argue Mbappe is that once in a decade plus (look at he length of time between Maradona and then the rise of Messi and Ronaldo) who can be top 5 player ever. Of course he has MANY miles to go to get there, BUT he already has a WC (something 5 of my top 10 players ever do NOT have)

Pele yes, 3 

Maradona yes 1

Messi no

Ronaldo no

Zidane yes 1

Cruyff no

Beckenbauer yes 1

Ferenc Puskás no

Garrincha yes 2

Alfredo Di Stéfano no

 

Mbappe has a shot at tying Pele with 3 WC's. France 2022 also is the the first team since 1970 that has a legit shot at being the best ever, knocking off Brasil 1970. They are absolutely loaded to point where the NON-SELECTED 2018 players could make up a team that would have a shot at winning the CL. They also may get Leroy Sane, who is eligible to play for France and is so pissed off about 2018 the German press and fans are terrified he switches. Not only that but they have an array of 16 to 20 year olds who can emerge as well.

2022 France potential wingers

Kylian Mbappe
Leroy Sane
Thomas Lemar 
Ousmane Dembélé

that's just SICK!!

they are all 19 to 22 years old too!!! just those 4 are worth over half a BILLION quid in market transfer cost closer to 550 million quid

and add in

Kingsley Coman (also 22) who Bayern just put a 100m euro valuation release clause on

and you have just FIVE french wingers

worth TWO THIRDS of a Billion pounds

that's almost 900 MILLION usa dollars

 

sane is a German international ?

[Vesper 30,278]

Just now, the wes said:

sane is a German international ?

Yes, at the moment, but he can switch to France via ancestry and notifying FIFA