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[the wes 7,212]

Paris St-Germain midfielder Adrian Rabiot, 23, has turned down an offer to renew his contract with the Ligue 1 champions. The Frenchman's current deal runs out at the end of the season. (L'Equipe)

We should be all over this next summer 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

6 minutes ago, the wes said:

Paris St-Germain midfielder Adrian Rabiot, 23, has turned down an offer to renew his contract with the Ligue 1 champions. The Frenchman's current deal runs out at the end of the season. (L'Equipe)

We should be all over this next summer 

The man is as problematic as they get. No thanks to such characters.

Even if they perform good enough, they are eventualy pushed/force move out like Costa or Tibo. 

Just avoid this. There are Kovacic, Neves and bunch of other options we can pursue instead.

[OneMoSalah 9,122]

16 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

The man is as problematic as they get. No thanks to such characters.

Even if they perform good enough, they are eventualy pushed/force move out like Costa or Tibo. 

Just avoid this. There are Kovacic, Neves and bunch of other options we can pursue instead.

Problematic? Like Kovacic who went on strike and didn't want to train at Real because he didn't want to be there unless he was guaranteed regular minutes? Before asking to train alone as he didn't want to be there? Unfortunately that is what footballers do these days. Its perhaps unfair to point it out on Kovacic but again it could be the same with Rabiot. Doesn't necessarily mean people are problematic if they don't want to extend contracts at their clubs or that, there is always other implications or reasons as opposed to automatically dubbing somebody "problematic". Yes there are rumours of an ego problem and yes he didn't want to be on the reserve list for France but I honestly don't think they will care seeing as they won the World Cup, if anything it was his loss. 

Anyway, Rabiot is a good footballer in my eyes, solid defensively, good technique, quite strong on the ball and wherever he goes if he doesn't remain at PSG beyond next season he'll be good. A lot of talk of Barcelona wanting him but now they have Vidal perhaps they've shelved that idea. I think as well PSG would be stupid to lose him because he came through their academy and despite all the money they have he is quite well suited to their midfield after maybe initially not being as regular as he would have wanted when they started signing big players. Only 23 years old, played over 150 games for PSG, plenty of room to improve and a lot of big teams will be after him. 

[Vesper 31,180]

So what is going to happen with these who have not yet been loaned out? The first 3 especially.

I assume the rest will stay on reserves team.

Other players under contract
As of 10 August 2018.

Belgium    MF    Charly Musonda Jr.

Brazil         MF   Lucas Piazon

Czech Republic   DF   Tomáš Kalas

 

England    DF    Fankaty Dabo

England    FW    Ike Ugbo

Jamaica    DF    Michael Hector

Scotland   FW   Islam Feruz

England    GK    Bradley Collins

England    GK    Jared Thompson

 

Netherlands    MF    Marco van Ginkel <<< badly injured, so cannot go anywhere
England    FW    Izzy Brown <<< badly injured, so cannot go anywhere

[Vesper 31,180]

The proof that Chelsea's 'big spender' tag in the transfer market is a myth

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-transfers-news-latest-kepa-15043916

Premier League transfer fees have grown inordinately large - but they've actually gone up in-line with club revenues.

When Kepa Arrizabalaga signed for Chelsea for a world record £71m this summer it raised a few eyebrows as these kind of landmark transfers
often do.

However, what if someone were to tell you that that outlay was less of a big deal for the Blues than their signing of Fernando Torres was at
the time?

The Spanish striker signed for the club for £50m back in January 2011. That’s wing-back money these days. However, that fee was the equivalent of 23% of Chelsea’s revenue for the 20010/11 season.

 

snip

 

here is our net spending under Roman

Transfer spending under Abramovich (net)

2003-04: £151.4m
2004-05: £146.8m

NO MORE BIG SPENDING

2005-06: £51.7m
2006-07: £32.2m
2007-08: £13.8m

2008-09: £12.7m PROFIT
2009-10: £23.6m
2010-11: £94.5m
2011-12: £57.7m
2012-13: £75.8m

2013-14  £47.6m

2014-15  £6.4m PROFIT

2015-16  £2.7m

2016-17  £21.9m

2017-18 £54.1m

2018-19 £75.1m 

 

total £829.8m (will be around £800m or lower when all loans,sales are done this window) over 16 year time frame

works out to £50m NET per year

36% of ALL money net spent was in the first 2 years

take away those 2 years

the average net spend over last 14 seasons (per year) is £37.8m 

to put into perspective, Jeff Bezos, over last rolling 12 months or so has made £215m in profit PER DAY

[Fernando 6,743]

Real Madrid confirm Martin Odegaard has joined Vitesse Arnhem on loan

http://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/3606249/real-madrid-confirm-martin-odegaard-has-joined-vitesse-arnhem-on-loan

 

 

To Vitesse? Why is real madrid loaning players to our feeder club? 

 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

22 hours ago, Vesper said:

The proof that Chelsea's 'big spender' tag in the transfer market is a myth

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-transfers-news-latest-kepa-15043916

Premier League transfer fees have grown inordinately large - but they've actually gone up in-line with club revenues.

When Kepa Arrizabalaga signed for Chelsea for a world record £71m this summer it raised a few eyebrows as these kind of landmark transfers
often do.

However, what if someone were to tell you that that outlay was less of a big deal for the Blues than their signing of Fernando Torres was at
the time?

The Spanish striker signed for the club for £50m back in January 2011. That’s wing-back money these days. However, that fee was the equivalent of 23% of Chelsea’s revenue for the 20010/11 season.

 

snip

 

here is our net spending under Roman

Transfer spending under Abramovich (net)

2003-04: £151.4m
2004-05: £146.8m

NO MORE BIG SPENDING

2005-06: £51.7m
2006-07: £32.2m
2007-08: £13.8m

2008-09: £12.7m PROFIT
2009-10: £23.6m
2010-11: £94.5m
2011-12: £57.7m
2012-13: £75.8m

2013-14  £47.6m

2014-15  £6.4m PROFIT

2015-16  £2.7m

2016-17  £21.9m

2017-18 £54.1m

2018-19 £75.3m (will be less as other players are sold)

 

total £830m (will be around £800m or lower when all loans,sales are done this window) over 16 year time frame

works out to £50m NET per year

36% of ALL money net spent was in the first 2 years

take away those 2 years

the average net spend over last 14 seasons (per year) is £35.8m 

to put into perspective, Jeff Bezos, over last rolling 12 months or so has made £215m in profit PER DAY

It's kind of sad to think that the price tag which probably ended Fernando's career at the top level back in 2011 is considered wing-back money these days. Yet the media made such an enormous fuss about it then, constantly labelling him as the £50m flop or of that sort.

Nobody called Mpabbe the 180 million euro striker last year as far as I can remember even though he at the time had literally done nothing to prove he's worth nearly that much.

[Vesper 31,180]

35 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

It's kind of sad to think that the price tag which probably ended Fernando's career at the top level back in 2011 is considered wing-back money these days. Yet the media made such an enormous fuss about it then, constantly labelling him as the £50m flop or of that sort.

Nobody called Mpabbe the 180 million euro striker last year as far as I can remember even though he at the time had literally done nothing to prove he's worth nearly that much.

I would argue Mbappe is that once in a decade plus (look at he length of time between Maradona and then the rise of Messi and Ronaldo) who can be top 5 player ever. Of course he has MANY miles to go to get there, BUT he already has a WC (something 5 of my top 10 players ever do NOT have)

Pele yes, 3 

Maradona yes 1

Messi no

Ronaldo no

Zidane yes 1

Cruyff no

Beckenbauer yes 1

Ferenc Puskás no

Garrincha yes 2

Alfredo Di Stéfano no

 

Mbappe has a shot at tying Pele with 3 WC's. France 2022 also is the the first team since 1970 that has a legit shot at being the best ever, knocking off Brasil 1970. They are absolutely loaded to point where the NON-SELECTED 2018 players could make up a team that would have a shot at winning the CL. They also may get Leroy Sane, who is eligible to play for France and is so pissed off about 2018 the German press and fans are terrified he switches. Not only that but they have an array of 16 to 20 year olds who can emerge as well.

2022 France potential wingers

Kylian Mbappe
Leroy Sane
Thomas Lemar 
Ousmane Dembélé

that's just SICK!!

they are all 19 to 22 years old too!!! just those 4 are worth over half a BILLION quid in market transfer cost closer to 550 million quid

and add in

Kingsley Coman (also 22) who Bayern just put a 100m euro valuation release clause on

and you have just FIVE french wingers

worth TWO THIRDS of a Billion pounds

that's almost 900 MILLION usa dollars

 

[the wes 7,212]

20 hours ago, Vesper said:

I would argue Mbappe is that once in a decade plus (look at he length of time between Maradona and then the rise of Messi and Ronaldo) who can be top 5 player ever. Of course he has MANY miles to go to get there, BUT he already has a WC (something 5 of my top 10 players ever do NOT have)

Pele yes, 3 

Maradona yes 1

Messi no

Ronaldo no

Zidane yes 1

Cruyff no

Beckenbauer yes 1

Ferenc Puskás no

Garrincha yes 2

Alfredo Di Stéfano no

 

Mbappe has a shot at tying Pele with 3 WC's. France 2022 also is the the first team since 1970 that has a legit shot at being the best ever, knocking off Brasil 1970. They are absolutely loaded to point where the NON-SELECTED 2018 players could make up a team that would have a shot at winning the CL. They also may get Leroy Sane, who is eligible to play for France and is so pissed off about 2018 the German press and fans are terrified he switches. Not only that but they have an array of 16 to 20 year olds who can emerge as well.

2022 France potential wingers

Kylian Mbappe
Leroy Sane
Thomas Lemar 
Ousmane Dembélé

that's just SICK!!

they are all 19 to 22 years old too!!! just those 4 are worth over half a BILLION quid in market transfer cost closer to 550 million quid

and add in

Kingsley Coman (also 22) who Bayern just put a 100m euro valuation release clause on

and you have just FIVE french wingers

worth TWO THIRDS of a Billion pounds

that's almost 900 MILLION usa dollars

 

sane is a German international ?

[Vesper 31,180]

Just now, the wes said:

sane is a German international ?

Yes, at the moment, but he can switch to France via ancestry and notifying FIFA

[Vesper 31,180]

5 minutes ago, the wes said:

sane is a German international ?

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/life/sport-xtra/5-things-you-need-know-about-manchester-city-target-leroy-sane/

[the wes 7,212]

45 minutes ago, Vesper said:

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/life/sport-xtra/5-things-you-need-know-about-manchester-city-target-leroy-sane/

Interesting I think Bailey as the same option to pick from with England or Jamaica It's hard to believe Germany didnt pick sane for the world cup 

[Unionjack 7,532]

10 hours ago, Vesper said:

Yes, at the moment, but he can switch to France via ancestry and notifying FIFA

Cant we give him some Chelsea ancestry?

[Vesper 31,180]

7 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Cant we give him some Chelsea ancestry?

Pep would be insane to give him up. Only LW'ers I would think he would (in a hypothetical) swap Sane for are Neymar, Coutinho and Eden. Age gap comes into play too, as Sane is only 22.

[Vesper 31,180]

Kingsley Coman out “several weeks” after suffering ankle injury in Bayern’s Bundesliga opener
Another unfortunate, heart-breaking set back for Coman...

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2018/8/25/17780222/kingsley-coman-bayern-munich-ankle-injury-ligament-tear-hoffenheim-nico-shulz-bundesliga-opener

After making such a vibrant start to the match for Bayern Munich against Hoffenheim, Kingsley Coman was forced to come off just before the stroke of halftime after sustaining an ankle injury.

The injury occurred when Hoffenheim’s Nico Schulz went in on a rather nasty challenge when Coman had the beating of him down the right channel. To be fair, the conditions of the pitch after a fair amount of steady rainfall probably didn’t do either player any favors, but the challenge from Schulz was still rash, and brandished a yellow card - on closer look, it may have been Schulz’s trailing leg on the challenge that did the most damage to Coman’s left ankle. The foul came just a minute after a hard challenge on Franck Ribery from Pavel Kadeřábek that caused some verbal altercations between both sets of players and the referee.

After the match, Bayern’s medical staff performed assessments on Coman and were able to conclude that the midfielder suffered a ruptured syndesmosis ligament just above the left ankle. Per the club website and official Twitter account, Coman’s ankle will require an operation and he will be on the sidelines for at least several weeks; perhaps even two months.

 

 

[ulvhedin 526]

There are rumors that Drinkwater and Cahill are on the move. If true that means Sarri really believe in Ampadu, as we would be very thin on CB position

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Yaya toure is gonna sign for a London club not Westham..surely not us, Arsenal or Crystal Palace too. Can only see it being Tottenham...well lets see. Mighg still be a nice punt for a 15min cameo every other game..but we are stacked with midfielders. In the end overall Yaya strikes me as a bit overrated..yes he had two seasons where he was unplayable and scored like 20 goals Lamps style but then again transfermarkt has him at only 96 career goals and only 79 in 316 at Mancity where he played very offensively. Great player when at his best but never really caught my eye in the very big games,  also sulked a lot and had many many games to forget. Prolly a Mancity legend but not a premier league legend imo

[the wes 7,212]

I like the players we signed this summer but I feel we still got deadwood in the squad the likes of fabregas Zappa moses Luiz cahill drinkwater all need to go in January or next summer 

[Vesper 31,180]

2 hours ago, the wes said:

I like the players we signed this summer but I feel we still got deadwood in the squad the likes of fabregas Zappa moses Luiz cahill drinkwater all need to go in January or next summer 

Unless we upgrade from Azi and/or Zappa at RB (and switch Azpi over to CB again, which I TOTALLY agree with, as then we could have dumped shit Luiz and Cahill, plus we so fucked up not signing Rugani or Thilo Kehrer or even more germane, Benjamin Pavard, who can play BOTH CB and RB, like Azpi) 

which only means these players (those in red I rate over Azpi too, not just Zappacosta, those in green have higher upside than Zappa, but maybe not quite there yet):

Joshua Kimmich (zero chance)
Sergi Roberto    I so so want him, perfect for a RB in Sarriball, so pissed we failed last 3 windows, surely we can work out something in January or next summer, as they have Nélson Semedo there too (who I rate too)

Kyle Walker (zero chance)

Trent Alexander-Arnold (zero chance, and soon will be better than Azpi, he be best RB in the EPL in 2,3 years)

Elseid Hysaj (Dwarf-Cunt De Laurentiis is trying to put a perm Chelsea block into his contract, but he is refusing, he wants to come here)

João Cancelo (another perfect RB for Sarriball, but almost zero chance, he has look amazing for Juve so far)

Daniel Carvajal (slim chance, BUT they did sign Álvaro Odriozola, who I rate highly, so not impossible. I would rather have Odriozola, tbh.as he is far younger and has massive massive upside These are the others I would want off Real far over Carvajal , including a perm move for Kovacic (the rest, in order, Raphaël Varane (impossible unless Eden is involved), Kroos (never will happen), Marco Asensio, Isco, Vinícius Júnior)

Sime Vrsaljko (another miss by the board, perfect for Sarriball)

Djibril Sidibé (shocked he is still at Monaco)

Ricardo Pereira (Leicester got a bargain)

Benjamin Henrichs (great young player, is not happy at Bayer Leverkusen)

Nordi Mukiele (same as Heinrichs, and we lost out as RB Leipzig stole him for only £14m)

Davide Calabria (Milan have Andrea Conti at RB too, so wouldn't be impossible to get him)

THEN

why would we sell Zappacosta? That leaves us no RB backup.

I agree with rest

these need to be decided on next year

Marco van Ginkel (after he heals from horrid knee injury, sell him to PSV)

Bats (IF we simply will never use him, makes zero sense to keep him if we will never let him play)

Tammy Abraham (or loan him out) I dont rate him

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (if he doesn't come good this year, OR, loan him out, we should have loaned him to Schalke this summer!!, so pissed)

the following SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD THIS SUMMER

Danny Drinkwater     (WTF!!, every time I type his name I get more incensed)

Cahill      (so stupid to not sell to the 5,6 teams who enquired, it was the Rugani nightmare that kept him here)

Luiz       sorry, he is shit, I will never rate him, ever, he sucks defensively, he is my 4th least favourite player on the team, after Drinkwater, Cahill, Willian, (Willian just because we lost out on £65m and/or Martial for him, AND he is now 30. I do not dislike him as player (although he is overrated) or a person, I just think we should have taken max money, and refreshed with Malcom or Bailey, plus Martial would explode as our number 9, I am so convinced of this, Mo didnt even include him ON THE BENCH against Spuds, what a wasted opportunity we fucked up on!!!!)

Cesc Fàbregas      (next year he is a completely spent force, we lost market value on him now, we could have moved for one of 3 much younger (10,11 years younger), very similar players in Carlos Soler or Nicolò Barella or Amadou Haidara <<< my favourite, I rate him MASSIVELY, but the other 2 would be superb signings too, albeit more quid)
 

Victor Moses       (useless in Sariball, should have cashed in on his WC marginal glory)

Willian     (again we all know this cock up, (twice, Barca at £65m or swap for Martial, I am slowly getting over it, Morata having a big year will so help that)

[the wes 7,212]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Unless we upgrade from Azi and/or Zappa at RB (and switch Azpi over to CB again, which I TOTALLY agree with, as then we could have dumped shit Luiz and Cahill, plus we so fucked up not signing Rugani or Thilo Kehrer or even more germane, Benjamin Pavard, who can play BOTH CB and RB, like Azpi) 

which only means these players (those in red I rate over Azpi too, not just Zappacosta, those in green have higher upside than Zappa, but maybe not quite there yet):

Joshua Kimmich (zero chance)
Sergi Roberto    I so so want him, perfect for a RB in Sarriball, so pissed we failed last 3 windows, surely we can work out something in January or next summer, as they have Nélson Semedo there too (who I rate too)

Kyle Walker (zero chance)

Trent Alexander-Arnold (zero chance, and soon will be better than Azpi, he be best RB in the EPL in 2,3 years)

Elseid Hysaj (Dwarf-Cunt De Laurentiis is trying to put a perm Chelsea block into his contract, but he is refusing, he wants to come here)

João Cancelo (another perfect RB for Sarriball, but almost zero chance, he has look amazing for Juve so far)

Daniel Carvajal (slim chance, BUT they did sign Álvaro Odriozola, who I rate highly, so not impossible. I would rather have Odriozola, tbh.as he is far younger and has massive massive upside These are the others I would want off Real far over Carvajal , including a perm move for Kovacic (the rest, in order, Raphaël Varane (impossible unless Eden is involved), Kroos (never will happen), Marco Asensio, Isco, Vinícius Júnior)

Sime Vrsaljko (another miss by the board, perfect for Sarriball)

Djibril Sidibé (shocked he is still at Monaco)

Ricardo Pereira (Leicester got a bargain)

Benjamin Henrichs (great young player, is not happy at Bayer Leverkusen)

Nordi Mukiele (same as Heinrichs, and we lost out as RB Leipzig stole him for only £14m)

Davide Calabria (Milan have Andrea Conti at RB too, so wouldn't be impossible to get him)

THEN

why would we sell Zappacosta? That leaves us no RB backup.

I agree with rest

these need to be decided on next year

Marco van Ginkel (after he heals from horrid knee injury, sell him to PSV)

Bats (IF we simply will never use him, makes zero sense to keep him if we will never let him play)

Tammy Abraham (or loan him out) I dont rate him

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (if he doesn't come good this year, OR, loan him out, we should have loaned him to Schalke this summer!!, so pissed)

the following SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD THIS SUMMER

Danny Drinkwater     (WTF!!, every time I type his name I get more incensed)

Cahill      (so stupid to not sell to the 5,6 teams who enquired, it was the Rugani nightmare that kept him here)

Luiz       sorry, he is shit, I will never rate him, ever, he sucks defensively, he is my 4th least favourite player on the team, after Drinkwater, Cahill, Willian, (Willian just because we lost out on £65m and/or Martial for him, AND he is now 30. I do not dislike him as player (although he is overrated) or a person, I just think we should have taken max money, and refreshed with Malcom or Bailey, plus Martial would explode as our number 9, I am so convinced of this, Mo didnt even include him ON THE BENCH against Spuds, what a wasted opportunity we fucked up on!!!!)

Cesc Fàbregas      (next year he is a completely spent force, we lost market value on him now, we could have moved for one of 3 much younger (10,11 years younger), very similar players in Carlos Soler or Nicolò Barella or Amadou Haidara <<< my favourite, I rate him MASSIVELY, but the other 2 would be superb signings too, albeit more quid)
 

Victor Moses       (useless in Sariball, should have cashed in on his WC marginal glory)

Willian     (again we all know this cock up, (twice, Barca at £65m or swap for Martial, I am slowly getting over it, Morata having a big year will so help that)

It's to late to sell Zappa now maybe in January and get a replaced in January Benjamin Henrichs sign for Monaco we have should have signed him in the summer ffs