Jype 6,398 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Actualy Pique was very good in first few seasons at Barca, but as soon he got together with Shakira, he become a joke of a defender.Can you blame him though? Anyone would find it hard to focus on football if they had Shakira to go home to after a game. Anyway I've never really rated Pique. He played his best football next to Puyol in his prime and back then he had it a lot easier than he does now. Playing next to a makeshift CB like Mascherano requires Pique to be the main man who organizes the defense and at least in my books he's not good enough for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Hook me up with Rihanna and be sure I'll have problems concentrating at work. I'd even quit it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Will Busquets continue to be a "top top player" now that the powers of Xavi and Iniesta are on the wane? Yes he will. Hes the best in that position, nobody is better. Hes getting to play a bit further forward at times too as Rakitic drops deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Yes he will. Hes the best in that position, nobody is better. Hes getting to play a bit further forward at times too as Rakitic drops deeper.Nemanja Matic says hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Yes he will. Hes the best in that position, nobody is better. Hes getting to play a bit further forward at times too as Rakitic drops deeper.I would keep Matic all day long and that isnt bias. Matic simply has more balls for DM and looks like a proper allround player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Nemanja Matic says hello.I would keep Matic all day long and that isnt bias. Matic simply has more balls for DM and looks like a proper allround player.Really? Well thats both of your opinions but I still think Busquets is the best in that position. Barca haven't been as good as they were 2 or 3 years ago but he is a brilliant footballer, Matic is a great player too but he isn't better than Busquets in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Really? Well thats both of your opinions but I still think Busquets is the best in that position. Barca haven't been as good as they were 2 or 3 years ago but he is a brilliant footballer, Matic is a great player too but he isn't better than Busquets in my opinion.In what aspects is he not better exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,707 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Really? Well thats both of your opinions but I still think Busquets is the best in that position. Barca haven't been as good as they were 2 or 3 years ago but he is a brilliant footballer, Matic is a great player too but he isn't better than Busquets in my opinion. Sergio is better at passing and is more techniqual but we need a tough motherfucker like Matic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 173 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 This cunt is the last player on earth I want to see wearing a Chelsea shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Matic is ahead of Busquets in almost everything you want in a holding midfielder, it's not even that close. Busquets is a good player but has always been massively overrated. He's enjoyed playing for teams that average over 70% of the ball per game and playing alongside one of the greatest midfield pairings in history. Even my grandmother will look good playing next to Iniesta and Xavi Hernandez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 How the fuck is Busquets suddenly 'over rated', when hardly anyone rates him at all other than players and managers who understand and appreciate how difficult his role is, which in all reality, is completely different than what we have Matic do for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,153 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Short tika-tika passing, Busquets is better. Long-range passing, Matic is better by far but who possesses the better passing range? Matic of course. Matic long range passing is really underrated. Look at Salah's goal against Arsenal last season for instance. Excellent vision and passing range. Would have Matic over Busquets all day long. Not even a debate for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Literally the last player on the planet i'd want at this club.Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Matuidi, De Rossi, Mascherano, Matic and (obviously) Schweinsteiger are all better pure anchor DMs. An argument could be made for Lars Bender (and maybe Sven) being better too.On top of that he has the professionalism and temperament of a child.Just... no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Von Doom 258 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Short tika-tika passing, Busquets is better. Long-range passing, Matic is better by far but who possesses the better passing range? Matic of course. Matic long range passing is really underrated. Look at Salah's goal against Arsenal last season for instance. Excellent vision and passing range. Would have Matic over Busquets all day long. Not even a debate for me.Yr srsly underrating Busquets' passing range. It's fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Von Doom 258 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Literally the last player on the planet i'd want at this club.Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Matuidi, De Rossi, Mascherano, Matic and (obviously) Schweinsteiger are all better pure anchor DMs. An argument could be made for Lars Bender (and maybe Sven) being better too.On top of that he has the professionalism and temperament of a child.Just... no.Matuidi, the Bender bros. Rly? Yr hate is clrly clouding yr judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Matuidi, the Bender bros. Rly? Yr hate is clrly clouding yr judgementI said an argument could be made for the bender brothers. Probably not Sven. Doesn't mean they're better, just that it could be debated. Matuidi is a really solid player, I rate him very much. Worse on the ball than Busquets admittedly but I rate solidity and defensive abilities higher in holding midfielders and Matuidi beats Busquets in those aspects for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Literally the last player on the planet i'd want at this club.Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Matuidi, De Rossi, Mascherano, Matic and (obviously) Schweinsteiger are all better pure anchor DMs. An argument could be made for Lars Bender (and maybe Sven) being better too.On top of that he has the professionalism and temperament of a child.Just... no.Alonso, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Matuidi = anchor DMs. First two are deep playmakers and the last two are Box-To-Box Midfielders. Just because they former two stay deep doesn't mean they are anchors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Von Doom 258 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I said an argument could be made for the bender brothers. Probably not Sven. Doesn't mean they're better, just that it could be debated. Matuidi is a really solid player, I rate him very much. Worse on the ball than Busquets admittedly but I rate solidity and defensive abilities higher in holding midfielders and Matuidi beats Busquets in those aspects for me.Can't agree w/ u on any of yr opinions above, but I respect them. So, I apologise if I come across as a bit blunt / arrogant.Imo - Busquets is ten times the player Matuidi is defensively. (as well as in the atk, but that's not the point we're discussing). For me, his awareness & positioning is 2nd to none. He's always 2 steps ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Alonso, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Matuidi = anchor DMs. First two are deep playmakers and the last two are Box-To-Box Midfielders. Just because they former two stay deep doesn't mean they are anchors.I'll politely disagree. All 4 are anchormen. Firstly, if you don't count them as anchormen then there are very few in the world good or bad. Matuidi isn't a box2box midfielder. Ramires and Pogba are B2B players. Matuidi hangs back a lot of the time during PSG's attacks to provide stability and breaks up attacks very well. That's an anchorman all over - protecting the back 4. Schweinsteiger I can see how people would think he's a B2B but that's only because he's so damn good that he managed to shield and protect the back 4 as good as anyone else and get forward to get involved up the other end too. He's primarily an anchorman for me though. As for Pirlo and Xabi Alonso, they're classic examples of anchormen. They protect the back 4 but have great passing visions on top of that. Pirlo is probably the best long passer in the world still, doesn't change the fact that they're still anchormen and their primary job is protection of the back 4. Busquets is very good at a short, quick passing game in and around the oppositions box and Matic has a great long through ball on him. They're both very good passers of the ball too but likewise they're both still anchormen primarily. It's all about the primary role. In today's game the top players (like the ones I mentioned) have to be very good at their primary role and also offer elsewhere around the park whether it's incisive/intelligent passing or goal scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Can't agree w/ u on any of yr opinions above, but I respect them. So, I apologise if I come across as a bit blunt / arrogant.Imo - Busquets is ten times the player Matuidi is defensively. (as well as in the atk, but that's not the point we're discussing). For me, his awareness & positioning is 2nd to none. He's always 2 steps ahead.No problem. We come to these forums to debate with people who's opinions differ from our own. I don't see how you can say that Busquets is 10x the player that Matuidi is defensively. A quick search on whoscored.com had some stats for them. Since the start of the 2009/10 season (includes all competitive matches):Busquets makes 2.7 tackles, 2.2 interceptions, 1.1 clearances and 0.3 blocks per game. Matuidi makes 2.8 tackles, 2.3 interceptions, 0.9 clearances and 0.3 blocks per game. Seems pretty similar to me. If anything Matuidi's stats are better. Now I know they're just stats but it proves that Matuidi is just as effective if not more in defence than Busquets. And 2 of those 6 seasons were at St Etienne too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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