Juan Mata

[Barbara 15,149]

the MOB is so fickle. last year he was our god, our messiah, our go-to man. we could not even fathom starting a match without him. goals against united, arsenal, tottenham, 2 assists in europa league final. 20 odd goals, 30 odd assists and suddently he has become "NOT GOOD ENOUGH"!!!.

and now i read, not in the world best top50 players... what a fucking joke.

and what is going to be even more disgraceful is that, when he actually adapts, settles in and shows his class, these same classless people who are critisizing him, will be seen worshipping this guy.

ps - make mata play in RM, behind the likes of a prolific goal scorer like CR and we ll see how many assists can he have compared to ozil, who by the way ran out of a team like RM to join arsenal just because he felt his place was threatened instead of fighting it. atleast mata has the balls to fight for his place in the team.

Actually Özil has the best chances created stats, not only the assists stats, meaning even if the players wasted the chances Özil is the most creative player in the world... But still thinking one is better than the other is subjective.

Now the top50 list is a bit wild. I mean I guess I could name 10, maybe 12 players I consider better than him (in all positions), maybe a little bit more (or less) but 50 so many people... I mean there are what 7,8 really top teams in Europe now (and that alone is sort of a stretch, an exaggeration). Those teams have some great players, but rarely one of them have 3 extraordinary players. Even listing them like that, some of those guys while top players aren't better than Mata imo... so I'm certain he'd be in my top 20, maybe probably top 15 or 12. But I won't even bother making such a list. Still the 50 thing is a bit far-fetched, even if it's a subjective thing.

[bushman 2,043]

Whether Mata will play more defensively for Jose, it remains to be seen.

Mata either proves & tries to play to Jose liking or he walks.

[haranr 485]

Oscar and Mata can't play together and if Jose picks Oscar over Juan then Mata should leave cuz he isn't going to play nearly enough. MATA > OSCAR IN THE CENTRE !

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Whether Mata will play more defensively for Jose, it remains to be seen.

Mata either proves & tries to play to Jose liking or he walks.

I don't think Mata is ever gonna walk.

His Oscar-esque performance at Swindon is ample proof in that matter. He just have to work on his work rate and this whole Mata v. Oscar situation could be good for both players.

[bushman 2,043]

I don't think Mata is ever gonna walk.

His Oscar-esque performance at Swindon is ample proof in that matter. He just have to work on his work rate and this whole Mata v. Oscar situation could be good for both players.

Well, one never know. If Mata cannot please Jose & it could happen easily, then he is benched.

Therefore, Mata should walk.

[Jase 43,479]

Juan Mata García ‏@juanmata10

Hi! I've just created my Google+ account to be in better contact with you all. For starters, we'll organize a hangout! http://bit.ly/18rhIz7

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Juan Mata García ‏@juanmata10

Hi! I've just created my Google+ account to be in better contact with you all. For starters, we'll organize a hangout! http://bit.ly/18rhIz7

The social networks....fav place for bench-warmers.

Maybe he'll do our live match coverages from the bench.

Shame though, if i continue to see our best player in the bench :-(

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

He was, but Oscar is now, deal with it.,

Mata PFA team of the year, led the premier League in assists last season along with 12 goals. #4 in key passes per game.He was our best player for 2 years but Oscar, after a poor Premier League season and an excellent CL last year, is now better because of three good home games against Hull, Basel, and Fulham? Mourinho likes him better because he fits his system, but it's going to take a lot more than a few good games to say "he's better".

[Weckerz 3,781]

Mata PFA team of the year, led the premier League in assists last season along with 12 goals. #4 in key passes per game.He was our best player for 2 years but Oscar, after a poor Premier League season and an excellent CL last year, is now better because of three good home games against Hull, Basel, and Fulham? Mourinho likes him better because he fits his system, but it's going to take a lot more than a few good games to say "he's better".

Exactly.. People are so quick to forget. Oscar is playing full confidence at the minute, don't be surprised if people change their thoughts as soon as he loses form.

The fact that some are seeing Torres as our new savior now that he's played a few decent games or Hazard being labeled a flop shows how fickle football fans are.

It's as if they completely forgot our previous season, it's ridiculous.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Exactly.. People are so quick to forget. Oscar is playing full confidence at the minute, don't be surprised if people change their thoughts as soon as he loses form.

The fact that some are seeing Torres as our new savior now that he's played a few decent games or Hazard being labeled a flop shows how fickle football fans are.

It's as if they completely forgot our previous season, it's ridiculous.

In modern football, you're only as good as your previous game. The sad truth.

[Korea 734]

Mata PFA team of the year, led the premier League in assists last season along with 12 goals. #4 in key passes per game.He was our best player for 2 years but Oscar, after a poor Premier League season and an excellent CL last year, is now better because of three good home games against Hull, Basel, and Fulham? Mourinho likes him better because he fits his system, but it's going to take a lot more than a few good games to say "he's better".

Not really. Anyone that watch Oscar played prior to his time at Chelsea knew he was going to be a good player..... Their a reason why both Barca and United were interested in Oscar long before Chelsea and Tottenham were fighting for his signature.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Exactly.. People are so quick to forget. Oscar is playing full confidence at the minute, don't be surprised if people change their thoughts as soon as he loses form.

The fact that some are seeing Torres as our new savior now that he's played a few decent games or Hazard being labeled a flop shows how fickle football fans are.

It's as if they completely forgot our previous season, it's ridiculous.

People overreact massively to form. It's so bad, that even one great or awful game will change peoples' opinions about a players' overall quality. Look at Schurrle after the Bayern game and then after his next start.Of course, this is a massive problem when you start out with unrealistic expectations anyway. If you think Kevin Deb Bruyne is one of the best players in the world, that Van Ginkel is an elite player, or that Chalobah or any of our youth players are good enough to start for Chelsea, you're going to be disappointed and forced to re-adjust your evaluation very quickly which leads to overadjustment. De Bruyne is not one of the best players in the world, but having a bad run of games doesn't make him useless either.

I think Oscar will do well in the #10 spot overall if he stays there all year, he's a very good player, he just lacks the offensive genius that Mata has. (There's a term we use in hockey, "playing with your head down/up" and it's something you notice. Mata, even before he receives the ball, knows sees the play developing and has his head up, looking for teammates. That's something that is a rare skill in football.)

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Not really. Anyone that watch Oscar played prior to his time at Chelsea knew he was going to be a good player..... Their a reason why both Barca and United were interested in Oscar long before Chelsea and Tottenham were fighting for his signature.

So wait, "knowing he was going to be a good player (no such thing in reality, plenty of players look good before going to a top league and fail)"=better than Mata? Barca and Spurs and top teams are interested=better than a PFA team of the year/our best player for 2 years? That's absolute nonsense. You're bringing in two things which have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Oscar is a good player, nobody is disputing that (I hope) but he's going to need to be a lot better to reach the level of Mata. The fact that he was a good player in Brazil or that other teams were interested in him has no bearing on anything.

[meetdoscar 335]

Not really. Anyone that watch Oscar played prior to his time at Chelsea knew he was going to be a good player..... Their a reason why both Barca and United were interested in Oscar long before Chelsea and Tottenham were fighting for his signature.

I agree, and bought him under the radar too. As good as mata is, oscar for me is clearly the better footballer in what is a team sport. Mata can never match the kind of performance oscar gave against juventus even if he score a double hatrick in one game. Hazard who i also rate more than mata will only be at that level if he performs at this level as he did at lille(already did vs bayern). Oscar is putting more consistent high level performance this season. He is really competitive. So you see oscar's performance vs Juve and hazard's vs bayern were incredible we've seen nothing of such from mata at the highest level. All oscar and hazard need to be better than mata is mere consistency, oscar seems to have found that so far and hazard will surely find he's under Mou and mata might still be excellent but not up to their level.

[Korea 734]

So wait, "knowing he was going to be a good player (no such thing in reality, plenty of players look good before going to a top league and fail)"=better than Mata? Barca and Spurs and top teams are interested=better than a PFA team of the year/our best player for 2 years? That's absolute nonsense. You're bringing in two things which have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Oscar is a good player, nobody is disputing that (I hope) but he's going to need to be a lot better to reach the level of Mata. The fact that he was a good player in Brazil or that other teams were interested in him has no bearing on anything.

Mata excelled under Rafa cause all the tactics were build for Mata to succeed, except our shit cms don't provide well for our attacking players...

PFA means nothing to me when Bale wins player of the year and they voted hazard top 5 last season...

Since your canadian, I'll give you an example...

Steve Nash is viewed as an uber pg, but when he was on the lakers or mavericks, he was average/good, you know why?????

Cause the offense in phoenix was built so he could put up amazing stats... Same situation with Mata, (even though I don't think mata is anywhere near as good as nash is in each respective sport)..

[Korea 734]

I remember reading how in Brazil people thought Ganso was going to be their CAM for the next +10 years and than Oscar took his place as well....

Maybe the brazilians would know better, but from what I remembered, they also reacted the same when Oscar took Ganso' place, saying he wasn't as creative as Ganso, etc...

[Sheva. 5,373]

So much bs here, did AVB and Di Matteo also build the team around Mata? because he didn't just excel under Rafa.

Like i said already you cant even Oscar and Mata, attacking wise. The latter is more experienced and light years ahead.

Immediately he gets the ball he only needs 2 seconds to know where he is going with it. There is a reason he creates so many chances. Only a matter of time before he gets back to his best and starts shutting bitches up - if not at Chelsea, then any club willing to pay 35m for him.

[Korea 734]

So much bs here, did AVB and Di Matteo also build the team around Mata? because he didn't just excel under Rafa.

Like i said already you cant even Oscar and Mata, attacking wise. The latter is more experienced and light years ahead.

Immediately he gets the ball he only needs 2 seconds to know where he is going with it. There is a reason he creates so many chances. Only a matter of time before he gets back to his best and starts shutting bitches up - if not at Chelsea, then any club willing to pay 35m for him.

RDM prefer Oscar in the middle and AVB scouted him to play cam for Tottenham.

Also, I guarantee Mata will never replicate the stats he produce last season on any other big team....

Regarding chances created, did it occur to you that Hazard has been out of form this season and we swapped Mata for schurrle... You guys are making it a direct correlation that Mata out, Oscar in is only between those 2 players..