Juan Mata

[LAB 1,030]

Ok let's face it:

1. Deal done.

2. Nothing we can do.

3. Best wishes on Mata whatever that means. He deserves a bright career.

4. Go buy new striker asap

5. Close this thread already

[Polo7 3,496]

"does not defend" its like everyone has been trained into a mindless to simply repeat the sentence irrespective of the argument.

we won the bloody CL with him defending on the pitch.

there is a difference in saying who is better for the team and then to simply ridicule a player who has given his everything for the club for the last 2 seasons and now has been treated like dog-crap.

and that is exactly what has happened to mata here. no one including me is saying that hazard-oscar-willian is not working and is not better than any combo that jose has tried so far this season. but to say that mata was given a fair chance is simply crap. if he had been given a fair chance, he would have played against derby to show his worth for the team.

To be fair he was more of a spectator during the CL final.

[didierforever 7,349]

not to nitpick and all, but go see which of the two was playing when we lost and draw most matches this season... or when we conceded the most... or when we allowed the most shots against Cech.

Nobody here - as far as I know - has ever said Oscar creates more chances than Mata, but that he works better in the team and in the system, which he does, he has the numbers to show as much.

Also I don't blame Mourinho if Mata didn't fit. Were we supposed to keep giving him chances if we kept offering our midfield to opposition? The problem was never how much he offered or not in the attack (although he didn't much in those many matches he's played), but how much he's compromised our midfield and how he didn't recover possession sufficiently (especially in the attacking third) enough. Of course he won't play if he doesn't contribute to the team and I think it's his right to ask to leave because he wants to play more.

As for this being a good move for Mourinho and Mata. I disagree on both to some extents. For Mourinho this represents nothing. He doesn't care (and recently got a lot of backup from media and more fans agreeing he shouldn't play Mata) nor does it affect his team or work. As for Mata I consider a clear step down on his career. ManUtd need a few more players to be back at the level of competitiveness they were. He's going to a weakened side, that is currently a mess, with a clueless manager, and probably won't play Europe. It's a bad career move imo, but I'm not sure how much of a voice he's had about where to go. On the other hand, maybe he's focusing only on having minutes. He'll get that just fine.

the argument of the guy i posted was this. at this moment i am an emotional mess and i am not going to read thru this essay.

Check yourself. He played 12 games. Not a lot I admit but he didnt show enough in those 12 games.

hence the comparision of their chances created. also at this moment i am an emotional mess and i am not going to read thru this essay.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Yes, in the past we have done some bad business, but recently we have been incredibly good in the market - There are few teams that have been better. I am certain we will sign somebody else following Mata's depature.

For the tenth time, I dont think we shouldnt sell Mata. I actually think he must go!

However, this is not the team nor the time to sell him!

Anyways, we better agree to disagree or things will take a course I dont want it to...

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

What the fuck are you on about?

Read all the stupid "Oscar vs Mata" and "Who should be the CAM" types of threats and see who I voted/defended. Start participating in the forum befor acusing other people of opinions they dont even have!

The problem is that some people always think Chelsea does the right thing and nobody can disagree or contest our board/manager. But it isnt like that!

Dont try to convince me that selling Mata to United in the middle of a difficult season we already sold KDB is a good deal, because it isnt. In fact, I am the one trying to look beyond the 37mi for a squad player...

And it's Chelsea pushing this through is it? Have you ever considered that Mata wants this? I'm sure United aren't our first choice of clubs to sell to, but what if it's actually Mata that wants to go there? Should we refuse and just leave him unhappy? After everything he has done for the club?

The board are the easy guys to blame. Always the scapegoats. It's ridiculous.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Have people sat down and actually thought why we are not demanding Rooney? Has anyone thought we might have a different striker lined up?

Maybe. It wouldn't surprise me. The rooney thing would be convient, but he has proven to be a more effective no.10 imo, which is obviously not what we need. Though i would ofc welcome here very much to be our striker as that would be a supreme front 4 we would have.

Could cause problems at utd. I mean Mata would have to start at CAM i would think, so Rooney on the left. Kagawa back on the Bench. This is assuming RVP is fit. Not sure Rooney would be a huge lover of that.

[Jay17 35]

Wow all you guys arguing need to get a grip! At the end of the day no Chelsea fan wants to see Mata leave, especially to Utd... But at the end of the day he's going because that's where he'll play and it'll make him happy and as Chelsea fans, after everything he's given us, his happiness is our happiness even if he leaves!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Last two seasons Mata was described as irreplaceable and Mr.Chelsea... let's wait a year or two and see how that changes

Last two seasons Mata was described as irreplaceable and Mr.Chelsea... let's wait a year or two and see how that changes

But that's the beauty of it. This isn't just a sale, it's a statement of intent by the board: Jose is here to stay and we are sticking with this new philosophy and project.

[didierforever 7,349]

To be fair he was more of a spectator during the CL final.

more like the person who gave an assist to our goal in the same final.

[Christo191 173]

Mata or NO Mata One truth reamins and will reamin Man Untd: staff, players and supporeters past present and future, all of them are fags and cunts!!!!

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

But that's the beauty of it. This isn't just a sale, it's a statement of intent by the board: Jose is here to stay and we are sticking with this new philosophy and project.

Careful you're beginning to sound like TX

[Toli 977]

And it's Chelsea pushing this through is it? Have you ever considered that Mata wants this? I'm sure United aren't our first choice of clubs to sell to, but what if it's actually Mata that wants to go there? Should we refuse and just leave him unhappy? After everything he has done for the club?

The board are the easy guys to blame. Always the scapegoats. It's ridiculous.

Rooney also wanted to join us. did he? it aint like a club can say "no". dont act like its because of mata. everybody in this board knows its because of Mou and not of Mata. surely Mata wonts to join them, but we could just say no and say we need him until the end of the season. mata aint the type of guy who would start rebelling and making trouble.

[Jase 43,479]

This thread has completely 'exploded' for the past 1 day or so. Every time you get out of it, there's always a new post or more. At this rate, it may catch up with the Torres one. Just another 230 pages to go...

[borriske 330]

Jezes, 60+ pages in this thread since yesterday. Has something like this ever happened here before?

[Liquidator 5,176]

Have people sat down and actually thought why we are not demanding Rooney? Has anyone thought we might have a different striker lined up?

I heard we've activated Bobby Zamora's release clause...