SinineUltra 1,170 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So, if MAta goes to PSg. Their going to keep zlatan, cavani, lavezzi, pastore, menez, lucas, and their 2 young french wingers??Who knows, but if they splash money on a new signing they certainly won't instantly resell him to another club - which was your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendo 1,088 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Things is not looking good, even BBC reporting on it now: BBC Sport @BBCSport 1mManchester United have today made an approach for Chelsea’s Spanish winger Juan Mata, says BBC sports editor David Bond #MUFC #CFC Ben Smith @BenSmithBBC 5mJuan Mata did not train with #CFC 1st team today. Not injured. Things now moving quickly towards #MUFC move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Who knows, but if they splash money on a new signing they certainly won't instantly resell him to another club - which was your point.I never said instantly. In addition, all those guys have been there for what? 1-2 seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 There's a big drop in quality when you rely on Moses/Ramires as back-up compared to Mata - no matter what system you're trying to implement, you're going to get a drop in quality. We have 3 terrible strikers compared to the top teams and our midfield still needs work, as does our defence. We rely on our AMs to win us games. Mata is still capable of getting goals and assists. He's not disabled.There's generally a big drop in the quality of our play when Mata is used. He doesn't press as well, he doesn't counter as fast and he just looks slower. Agreed that if you want to change the system we play to one that suits him then we should absolutely keep him.We've been lucky with Hazard's, Oscar's and Willian's fitness until now. Imagine if Hazard pulled his hamstring again like he did 2 weeks before the end of last season? Woops. All of a sudden there goes the majority of our goals from midfield and the guy who needs to be constantly doubled up on. We're then reliant on our only 3 quality AMs to win us games in the league, FA cup and CL. Doesn't really matter if we still have Mata if Hazard is injured. Schurrle would almost certainly play. We'd lack depth but we could go to 433 which we've played this season more than onceI'm not talking about Stoke or FA cup games. I'm talking about if we get stuck for injuries in really important games like a Dortmund in the CL or something. I don't want the likes of Moses anywhere near such a game. If Oscar gets injured I want Mata to take his place as CAM. Making progress in the CL itself can gain us millions and it could be jeopardised by weakening the strength of our only strength - quality AMs.If Oscar got injured then Hazard or Willian would take his position. It's what happened at Southampton.Again, we need to talk about what Jose has done and is likely to do, not what people on here want him to do.And no, I don't fully believe Mata is totally incapable of playing a no.10 in José's system. He was having a perfect game against Southampton, 100% passing, 3/4 tackles made in his own half and had every right to feel aggrieved at being taken off so early. There were exaggerations on both camps towards Mata's influence compared Oscar's in that game. He was doing a good job at what he was asked and has made great strides in his game compared to the start of the season but some people refuse to see it. He's not just as defensively good as Oscar the same way Oscar is not as offensively good as Mata. Somethings have to be traded.Good point...except Mata was playing on the RIGHT-WING in that game and Hazard was in the centre. Oscar and Willian changed that game for us completely and Oscar put the team on his back (not for the first time).You must be confused. I'm not saying, 'let's keep him forever' I'm saying that contrary to popular belief, he can still do a good job for us and is great cover to have until the summer where we can not sell to a rival. I find it ironic that you call people glory hunters but you're very quick to get all googly eyed over a big wad of cash (we can fuck all with now) offered to us by our biggest rival in the past decade. Especially since they wouldn't do the same in the summer. Somethings should not have a price. Did Dortmund give a shit when Bayern offered for Lewandowski? Did they fuck. They have some prideAnd Lewandowski is now going to Bayern for free. I love Mata, but there's a point at which reality needs to take precedence over sentimentality. He's been a great servant for us for a few years now, but he's simply being wasted on the bench. If we needed him then I'd be against selling him, but we don't. There are 5 players I'd use instead of him at the moment. I don't like the idea of us selling to United and I'm praying PSG come in with some dirty Euros, but I also think United aren't the same United without Ferguson. Mata isn't in the top 12 players I'd be terrified of them getting (mostly CMs).You're advocating a 4-3-3 but if remember correctly you were the one harping on about Oscar being our CAM. You heard José, he doesn't want him tracking full-backs. 4-3-3 is not realistic as long as he is here. But you can continue to point to the whole of 1/2 games as your proof if you really feel like it...I'm saying we've played 433 with Oscar operating as a right-winger who actually plays centrally quite a bit with Ramires working his bollocks off in the right channels. I brought it up in response to people suggesting we'd suffer injuries in certain positions..Good one. Instead of making stupid smart-arse comments that contribute fuck all, shouldn't you be more worried about people calling you names? You know, to match your discriminatory behaviour towards Chelsea fans? Just so you don't get your knickers in a twist again because you can't defend yourself. Oh wait no, your defence is to prove yourself to be a big tough guy by asking to fight people who live in different countries. Solid! I made a light-hearted comment at the end of a more serious (or as serious as football discussions get) post. Back on the ignore list with you. Enjoy your pint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If we sell Mata this winter, not only to United but in general, he has every right to hate our guts after everything he did for the club in the past two seasons. didierforever, Christo191, Azpinator and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I think Rooney is coming here ya know.He fucking better be. LucienDillonCFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinineUltra 1,170 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I never said instantly. In addition, all those guys have been there for what? 1-2 seasons?Majority of the superstars yes, but keep in mind the club was taken over by Qatar moneybags in 2011 while becoming the sole owner only in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Majority of the superstars yes, but keep in mind the club was taken over by Qatar moneybags in 2011 while becoming the sole owner only in 2012.And when the next big thing comes, what makes you think they wont sell Mata to whoever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 BBC:Manchester United make a bid for Chelsea midfielder Juan Mata in the region of £35m. Developing story: http://bbc.in/1g09nuq #MUFC #CFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinineUltra 1,170 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 And when the next big thing comes, what makes you think they wont sell Mata to whoever? Am I talking to a brick wall here, mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 so let me get this straight out, u want a system, which relies on the tremondous workrate of every player involved on the pitch to be continued to employed with absolutely no back-up and replacements? well seems fair to me. sell schurrle too.No, I think we need 5 players for those 3 positions or use the 433 we've used sporadically this season to good effect.Ideally we'd sign a 5th AM who wold be a right-sided, left-footed player who fits the system. At the moment we have Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle and Ramires (who can play on the right if needed) if Mata leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Using Mata changes the system as well though. Haven't you noticed that? And we've already used 433 with Rami in the middle interchanging with Oscar on the right and the pressing and counter system STILL worked. With Mata is simply doesn't.Aye while that maybe true but you'll have to keep in mind that it was a rubbish West Ham side we played against, a West Ham side that is getting hammered in every game. Just because it worked against them, doesn't mean it will work against others and besides, that is only 1 game or in other words, such a small sample size to use as a counter argument to the squad depth point. In fact, I haven't seen anyone provide a solid reason or two that we can survive with 4 AMs for 3 positions for the remainder of the season.From the 'business' point of view, yeah I can see the benefits of getting 40m for a supposedly squad player which we can use the money for something else. I get that. However from the squad's perspective, where does this leave us for the remainder of the season? We'll only have 4 AMs then for 3 positions and it takes an injury to someone before we get down to our bare bones all of a sudden. There is no doubt that we have done well recently and with the trio of Hazard-Oscar-Willian and there's arguably no reason to break that up.However, I think people are getting carried away by that and forgetting in the past few weeks, we have only played a game once a week. Hence, there wasn't real need to change a winning team, if you like, as everyone is fresh and that is why the likes of Mata, Schurrle, Cole etc haven't played and only do when being called upon. If you all remember when we had tons of games before January, like every 3-4 days we have a game to play and the whole squad was basically utilized then, not just Mata, not just Schurrle but the full squad. After this week, we'll be basically playing a game every 3-4 days once more and when that time comes, we'll need everyone to come in and do their job as we cannot expect the current XI lot to play and perform every week.Am aware that with just 4 AMs, we could switch to a 4-3-3 again but every time when Mourinho has used that approach this season, it's only done to counter the opposition (e.g Arsenal away) or to close a game out. Of course, he did play it against West Ham but I suspect that was just more of adapting to the opposition we face. Mourinho has admitted that 4-2-3-1 is his favoured formation previously and even if we were to change formation from time to time, I don't think it will help much with the consistency. Moreover, changing to the 4-3-3 is one thing but would any of our current strikers be comfortable with that? Still gotta make sure everyone is comfortable within a system and not just having 1-2 parts functioning and the rest not.All in all, I can see both point of views in selling Mata but I just think there will be more negative impact on us if we were to do that now and this is excluding the implications of selling him to United. t1mb3r, The Mak and The only place to be 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Back on the ignore list with you. Enjoy your pint. Thank fuck for that! You just enjoy yourself down there! Christo191 and t1mb3r 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Meltdown close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Am I talking to a brick wall here, mate? Your the one that not reading properly...I never sell they would sell Mata instantly. You just assumed it.In addition, my point was if PSG bought Mata, what makes you think he wont return to the BPl within a few years when they realize they dont need him anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Selling to United feels so wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Weckerz 3,781 Posted January 22, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 22, 2014 Selling to United feels so wrong...Because it is wrong. Christo191, FabHazard, mediator and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oman43 45 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 He didn't train today. Can only see this going one way. Selling to Man Utd as well, it could have been anyone else! Mata needs to play as its a world cup year, I'll have nothing against him if he leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Did any updates come out about his supposed transfer to United?Guardian reporting that the only thing stalling the deal is that Chelsea want a pre-agreement about Rooney in the summer. A lot of reliable sources are saying that united are interested and that we are interested in selling as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If we sell Mata this winter, not only to United but in general, he has every right to hate our guts after everything he did for the club in the past two seasons.not sure about that. He seems to be 100% professional in every sense of the word.Regardless whether you rate him a top CAM or not, his professionalism can't be questioned.For this reason, the fact he missed training suggests the deal is imminent. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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