Styles 9,790 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Agree with the view that Oscar should be given license to play inside andrealise his potential. I don't think Mata is suited to playing centrally and is much better floating inside from a wide position.Against Juventus at home and Shakthar at home, two very good sides, Oscar was comfortably our best player. I haven't seen Mata put in two great performances like that against teams on that level from a central position. Leif, Peace. and English Freak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Nice article in the previous page. The fact that all our best games this season (tottenham, arsenal, juve first half, norwich, manutd before torres red card) came with both mata and oscar rotating positions in the middle, with oscar there most of the time, proves that there is some truth to that article. Both oscar or mata in the center have their risks.PROBLEMWhen oscar plays centrally, he presses and we win back the ball better, but that means mata in the wing and we are punished on the flanks since mata doesn't really press.Once mata plays center, we are dominated through the middle but safe on the flanks.SOLUTIONSo when we come up against teams that use wing play, play mata in the middle and moses on the flanks and oscar on the bench.When we come up against teams that play through the middle then use oscar in the middle and mata on the flanks.A funny fact is Once oscar plays in the center, our formation becomes like the 4-3-3 we all want when we defend.Mikel ramiresOscar Mata. HazardBaCompared to thisMikel ramiresOscar Mata HazardBa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaka 243 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Or we can lighten the defensive work mazacar has to do by putting a defensive pivot that stays in position?mikel-luiz mazacarba& next season luiz back to defencemikel-kdbmazacarba/lukakumazacar could roam more like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 The view that I take, is that Oscar has the potential to be one of the best players in the world. Already he's shown glimpses of just how good he can be especially in the Champions League, but also at international level. Now that's not say say Mata hasn't been great for us because he has but this is about incorporating both players into the same team whilst getting the best from each of them.If we're going to look at Oscar as a player we're going to keep around then I think we have to make a commitment to him and build the team around him. That's a gamble, but one I think has a tremendous upside and also allows Mata to play on the wing still.What Mata needs to do in that instance is work on his workrate and perhaps even his fitness. How many match threads do people make comments about him needing to be rested because he looks a bit tired? I'd say at least 35-40% of them. At some point that stops being a quirk and starts becoming a hinderance - the same hasn't been said anywhere near as much about Oscar.I would say this is another of our first-world problems like the Cech/Courtois debate but this is much more fundamental to the way the team is going to play in the next 5 years. We're talking about the heartbeat of the team here and which player serves us best going forward.We spent £20 million on Oscar's potential - at some point you actually have to try and turn that potential into reality and I think the game against West Brom showed just what he can do. Yes he should've finished those chances but it was encouraging to see him get in those positions, arriving late into the box, splitting defenders and finding space and even creating his own shooting opportunities from the edge of the area. Maybe it's something we leave until the summer, but at some point we are going to have to choose especially if we get a coach like Jose who likes players to do their jobs defensively with the odd exception.I understand what you're saying but don't agree. You can't build a team around potential and hope to win. WBA was probably Oscar's best Premier League game, but Mata has had probably ten games better than that this season. Yes, we spent 20 or 25M on Oscar, but we also spent 23M on Mata and Mata is actually our best player. De-emphasizing a legitimate player of the year candidate for someone who hasn't scored a single goal from open play and has been much worse is craziness. It we had to choose between them, right now it would be absolutely no contest. That said, I see no reason why they both can't get plenty of games in the middle of the pitch.Oscar doesn't need to start 50 games in the middle to get better and Mata doesn't need to start 50 to be effective. We play 60 games a season. The issue is that the trio of Mata, Oscar, and Hazard is likely to always be imbalanced and problematic. It really never made any sense to spend almost all our money in the last two seasons on players who all play the same position when he had/have so many other holes. We now have insane talent and depth at attacking midfield and very little anywhere else. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Among other news he switched Nike shoes with Adidas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusek 2,031 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Among other news he switched Nike shoes with Adidas.Yeah, same with Torres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Yeah, same with Torres.So mata will not score anymore?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) I understand what you're saying but don't agree. You can't build a team around potential and hope to win. WBA was probably Oscar's best Premier League game, but Mata has had probably ten games better than that this season. Yes, we spent 20 or 25M on Oscar, but we also spent 23M on Mata and Mata is actually our best player. De-emphasizing a legitimate player of the year candidate for someone who hasn't scored a single goal from open play and has been much worse is craziness. It we had to choose between them, right now it would be absolutely no contest. That said, I see no reason why they both can't get plenty of games in the middle of the pitch.Oscar doesn't need to start 50 games in the middle to get better and Mata doesn't need to start 50 to be effective. We play 60 games a season. The issue is that the trio of Mata, Oscar, and Hazard is likely to always be imbalanced and problematic. It really never made any sense to spend almost all our money in the last two seasons on players who all play the same position when he had/have so many other holes. We now have insane talent and depth at attacking midfield and very little anywhere else. See I can see where you're coming from, but sometimes you have to look at a player's ceiling and how good they could be. We spent £20 million on a 21 year old - you're always buying potential at that age so you can't then make decisions based on him only having potential. We're also ignoring the Champions League games where he's scored 5 goals from open play in 6 matches, and gave what I think is the performance of the season against Juventus.Mata at his absolute best is probably close to where he is now. I truly believe Oscar has the potential to be the best player in the world. Yes they could share time but in crunch games I'd definitely be looking to start Oscar in the middle and build the whole team around him. In that scenario we still need Mata and I'd put him on the right-wing but he needs to work on his defending and that's what any new coach should focus on in the summer.If we're not going to use Oscar like that and we're simply going to use him as a winger then we should sell him now. I'm a football fan first and foremost and I really don't want us to ruin or under-utilize what could be a once in a generation talent simply because we're focusing on the short-term once again. Edited March 5, 2013 by The only place to be Rmpr, kellzfresh, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 See I can see where you're coming from, but sometimes you have to look at a player's ceiling and how good they could be. We spent £20 million on a 21 year old - you're always buying potential at that age so you can't then make decisions based on him only having potential. We're also ignoring the Champions League games where he's scored 5 goals from open play in 6 matches, and gave what I think is the performance of the season against Juventus.Mata at his absolute best is probably close to where he is now. I truly believe Oscar has the potential to be the best player in the world. Yes they could share time but in crunch games I'd definitely be looking to start Oscar in the middle and build the whole team around him. In that scenario we still need Mata and I'd put him on the right-wing but he needs to work on his defending and that's what any new coach should focus on in the summer.If we're not going to use Oscar like that and we're simply going to use him as a winger then we should sell him now. I'm a football fan first and foremost and I really don't want us to ruin under-utilize what could be a once in a generation talent simply because we're focusing on the short-term once again.Well said. I definitely think Oscar > Mata in terms of effectiveness in the middle. Korea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Actually, wasn't Torres more relevant in CL last year in comparison to Mata.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago. 1,500 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Actually, wasn't Torres more relevant in CL last year in comparison to Mata.. Torres's one on one with a criminally overrated keeper and winning the corner for us from failing in beating Conte dead on plus complaining like a little bitch when he wasn't chosen to take the penalties, is more significant to Mata's contribution in European football? Is that what your getting at? xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Torres's one on one with a criminally overrated keeper and winning the corner for us from failing in beating Conte dead on plus complaining like a little bitch when he wasn't chosen to take the penalties, is more significant to Mata's contribution in European football? Is that what your getting at?Also, Benfica!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted March 5, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted March 5, 2013 Actually, wasn't Torres more relevant in CL last year in comparison to Mata.. Guess you conveniently forget Mata's 2 assists in our penultimate group stage game against Valencia helped us to progress comfortably. Mata's away goal against Napoli. His corner kick delivery that setup Drogba's equalizer in Munich! The Mak, Blue Armour, Dion and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Guess you conveniently forget Mata's 2 assists in our penultimate group stage game against Valencia helped us to progress comfortably. Mata's away goal against Napoli. His corner kick delivery that setup Drogba's equalizer in Munich!Didn't watch group games... I thought I stated I watch from Napoli on (guess not).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Didn't watch group games... I thought I stated I watch from Napoli on (guess not).... Even then, you can't disregard the importance of his contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,956 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Juan Mata StatsJuan Mata's 100 appearances for @chelseafc: 87 starts, 13 as a sub, subbed off in 47, played 7600 minutes, scored 29 & assisted 40 killer1257 and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Juan Mata StatsJuan Mata's 100 appearances for @chelseafc: 87 starts, 13 as a sub, subbed off in 47, played 7600 minutes, scored 29 & assisted 40Otherwise seen as a goal or an assist every 110 minutes.Those stats would be far better if he didn't have Torres fucking everything up for us, and if he was any good at penalties! Blue Gino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstreet09 499 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Otherwise seen as a goal or an assist every 110 minutes.Those stats would be far better if he didn't have Torres fucking everything up for us, and if he was any good at penalties! Actually they would have been far better if he wasnt too selfish in his approach (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Actually they would have been far better if he wasnt too selfish in his approach (:Wait what?! Selfish?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstreet09 499 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Wait what?! Selfish?! I'm not good at making gifs nor my internet has speed , otherwise i'd had shown you heaps of flicks where he should have done better (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.