Have we underachieved in the Roman era?

[zolayes 14,489]

What Roman wants he gets, oh no,, not that titel!. He will do ANYTHING FOR THAT TITEL, ANYTHING!.

What Roman wants he gets, oh no,, not that titel!. He will do ANYTHING FOR THAT TITEL, ANYTHING!.

if or when we do win the C L it would not surprise if Roman sold us

[robdog 2,084]

I like to believe the Roman Empire will last forever. Just like the Romans of old Except the Center of this Roman Empire will be Stamford Bridge. I don't want an Eastern Roman Empire

[nadavTKL 1,787]

if or when we do win the C L it would not surprise if Roman sold us

If thats true, so its a good thing we didnt won it

[Henri 115]

if or when we do win the C L it would not surprise if Roman sold us

Yeah, he properly would. So lets win the damn thing!.

[manpe 10,861]

I don't think he would, he'd probably just lay back more and stop spending that much money on it

[laura90 556]

We have over achieved.

Money does not bring success. People do. Of course, you need money, but people are those who make difference. Man with vision, talent and knowledge, like Fergie for United or Johan Cruijff for Barcelona are worth more than any amount of money.

Long term success can not be achieved without this kind of man. You can not determine what we should have done on the basis of money. We did not have people in charge. We had, in Mourinho, but we all know how that turned out. There has been a lot of money, true, but Fergie and his scouts are worth more.

What I want to say is that we knew to spend money, but we rarely knew with people.

I do not think we have underachieved at all, but if our board think so, they should care about " People" factor little more.

In my opinion, we are superb, the best team after Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal were behind us most of the time and that is amazing.

We have second chance now, can not wait to see what we will do with that.

[zolayes 14,489]

If thats true, so its a good thing we didnt won it

players come and go ,,some more quickly than others ...same with coaches ,,,even with owners ,,,,the only constant is the FAN

[DYC. 7,542]

Roman and the board made a huge mistake by not refreshing the squad bit by bit after 2006, buying the wrong players (and the wrong age) and not planning for the future. If that happened, we probably would've won more.

But they seemed to have learned and are changing their ways (though the weak spots of our team still haven't been addressed..) so hopefully we'll even be more succesful in the future.

[termninja 5,290]

I honestly believe that we deserved to win Champions League up 'till now. Still, a lot of money was invested and it was returned in silverware. So, my answer is no, we didn't underarchieve.

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

Since the club was bought by Roman in 2003 we have won;

three Premier League titles

three FA cups

two League cups

In that time we have also appeared in one Champions League final.

That is 8 seasons work.

No. No underachievement there, those stats speak for themselves.

But for mismanagement by the board, there might have been one or two other bits of silverware

[eldo 868]

Roman and the board made a huge mistake by not refreshing the squad bit by bit after 2006, buying the wrong players (and the wrong age) and not planning for the future. If that happened, we probably would've won more.

But they seemed to have learned and are changing their ways (though the weak spots of our team still haven't been addressed..) so hopefully we'll even be more succesful in the future.

:goodpost: .Exactly what I think.

[Kojo 4,676]

Don't look at statistics, they mean little. Look at how we've played over the years the best teams we've defeated. The players we've fell in love with and how close we've come. This is the problem arsenal have, they look at six trophyless years, but never despite the fact they've came cloar to a league title, they're always in champions league and they have beat great teams and raised fine players. Stats prove little in my opinion.

[Guest justin_3d]

We have over achieved.

Money does not bring success. People do. Of course, you need money, but people are those who make difference. Man with vision, talent and knowledge, like Fergie for United or Johan Cruijff for Barcelona are worth more than any amount of money.

Long term success can not be achieved without this kind of man. You can not determine what we should have done on the basis of money. We did not have people in charge. We had, in Mourinho, but we all know how that turned out. There has been a lot of money, true, but Fergie and his scouts are worth more.

What I want to say is that we knew to spend money, but we rarely knew with people.

I do not think we have underachieved at all, but if our board think so, they should care about " People" factor little more.

In my opinion, we are superb, the best team after Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal were behind us most of the time and that is amazing.

We have second chance now, can not wait to see what we will do with that.

Your Amazing!

Have my Kids!!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yes.

But because Mourinho never finished what he started..

[BLionheart 516]

Love the positivity and optimism in some people

We have had an absolutely superb start to the roman era , but if you would like to face the truth ask this question : Have we underachieved in the last 5 or 6 years ??

Winning only one EPL and once runners-up for UCL is an underachievement for a club that had the talent and squad we had between 2005-2009 Cech , Terry , Essien , Lamps, and Drogba at their peak are one of the best team backbones in history , Keeping in mind that there were no invincible teams a la barca now, and that the EPl was not as tough as now , we have absolutely underachieved.

Well if you really believe we didn't underachieve , Then why did we get rid of Grant , Scolari , Carlo ?? wasn't that because they have underachieved??

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

Love the positivity and optimism in some people

We have had an absolutely superb start to the roman era , but if you would like to face the truth ask this question : Have we underachieved in the last 5 or 6 years ??

Winning only one EPL and once runners-up for UCL is an underachievement for a club that had the talent and squad we had between 2005-2009 Cech , Terry , Essien , Lamps, and Drogba at their peak are one of the best team backbones in history , Keeping in mind that there were no invincible teams a la barca now, and that the EPl was not as tough as now , we have absolutely underachieved.

Well if you really believe we didn't underachieve , Then why did we get rid of Grant , Scolari , Carlo ?? wasn't that because they have underachieved??

Maybe what you want to say is that in terms of our management, (by the board of course) we've been very inefficient and thus have underachieved because:

1. Avram didn't underachieve. He was fired due to the assumptions that he was not the right person, but given that the whole club was really down with Mourinho's departure when he took over, Grant did pretty well. In fact, he could've clinched a legendary treble for us.

2. It's not really fair to say Carlo underachieved either. He achieved a historic double in his first season, and Chelsea played some magnificent football under him. His second season was very disappointing, but if you consider how he started the season with three senior centre backs (one of which was injured), how he lost Wilkins, and how Essien, Malouda and Anelka just gave up on him, it really wasn't entirely his fault. Besides, second place doesn't mean the world is going to collapse. I bet Arsenal will be overjoyed if they ever end a season as runners-up.

And let's not belittle our OWN achievements by saying things like "it was easier back then," or "we won only by one point." You really sound like you want our 'undeserved' trophies to be taken away.

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

Don't look at statistics, they mean little. Look at how we've played over the years the best teams we've defeated. The players we've fell in love with and how close we've come. This is the problem arsenal have, they look at six trophyless years, but never despite the fact they've came cloar to a league title, they're always in champions league and they have beat great teams and raised fine players. Stats prove little in my opinion.

Statistics in this case are crucial. We're talking about achieving or underachieving, this is determined by having the label of having won that competition, whether it is there in black and white. -you mention the Arse -it's blatantly obvious they've underachieved.

Three Premier League titles, three FA cups and two League cups is phenomenal. I've supported since 1967 seeing cup winners cup, FA Cup in in 1970, and the Full Members Cup win. but perhaps the sweetest was winning the 2nd Div. prior to Abramovich. People are spoilt nowdays, want it immediately, no wonder theres looting.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I think we did more than great. Look at City, I know they wasnt in the same position before the take over(we were in the top 4, they were in the mid table),

but still, look at the players they purchased, look at their squad. And with all that they won one FA cup, when we won back to back titles and an FA cup

in 3 seasons. As for the 2007/2008 and 2008/2009 seasons- yes in those years we kind a underachieved, our team was better than just an FA cup.

But we underachieved in those two seasons becasue of two reasons(has been said before in this topic):

1. Roman's ego(the sack of Mourinho). 2. Bad luck(CL final, and than ridiculous referee against us). So those years were a bit painful for us.

But it happens in football.

But overall, it amazes me of what did we become, 3 PL titles, 3 FA cups, 2 League Cups, and of course great performances in the CL inculdes a CL final

that went to penalties. So we should have won the CL, I think in one of the 08/09 or 07/08 seasons(i cant agree about 04/05 when Liverpool

would have got a peneltey if the Phantom goal wasnt allowed, and Cech would have got a red card. And for the 03/04... nah, werent good enough).

But it we'll come. Just think that the great Barcelona won their first only in 1992! Think that Fergie's United, "only" won it 2 times. With their amazing

number of league titles, two isnt an amazing number of CL's in 20 years. Look at Inter Milan who waited 50 years I think to win it for the second time...

We did great in all fronts imo. And it will be even better, if not right now so in a couple of years with Boas...

Super post, wholeheartedly agree. I also agree that we underachieved between 2007 and 2009, one FA Cup medal to show for the period is pretty poor, but we were simply out of luck. We were done by the width of the post in the UCL final, a fluky Woodgate goal in the Carling Cup final and lost the league by only two points, we certainly deserved at least one of those trophies.

[EskWeston 696]

Of course we have not underachieved. We have been a huge success and as well as winning plenty of silverware we have established ourselves as one of the top clubs in world football, not an easy thing to do when you are not part of the "established order" of top European clubs. And on top of that we are definately going to win more and more in the future so i think we have definately been a success, no-one has a right to win every year.

[zolayes 14,489]

Love the positivity and optimism in some people

We have had an absolutely superb start to the roman era , but if you would like to face the truth ask this question : Have we underachieved in the last 5 or 6 years ??

Winning only one EPL and once runners-up for UCL is an underachievement for a club that had the talent and squad we had between 2005-2009 Cech , Terry , Essien , Lamps, and Drogba at their peak are one of the best team backbones in history , Keeping in mind that there were no invincible teams a la barca now, and that the EPl was not as tough as now , we have absolutely underachieved.

the time span in the original post named the Roman era ...love THE NEGATIVE way you changed the time to ignore our first two EPL titles.

statistics can be misleading without deliberately twisting them...the remark about Barca was spurious, and proved nothing