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All we need is Deco and Scolari back

Because if we fielded a team with Baker, Boga and Solanke in it, along with Christensen, Ake, Salah and Zouma in it we'd probably lose and I imagine Jose really wants to win the Capital One Cup this season. I would have started Solanke over Drogba but Drogba needed match fitness which is paying dividends now.
RLC probably should have got more game time yes, But Jose wanted to make sure the game was won. We owed it to Schalke to play our best and put out a good side. Nearly every team who had qualified put out more or less there strongest teams.
If we want to give our academy players more time then they need to be in the squad instead of the likes of Salah, Mikel, Ramires because when we have a chance to weaken the team these players will be given the minutes first because of their fees and wages.
And it is down to managerial stability. If Jose had been here 4 or 5 years we would have seen more academy players. The young players will learn what Jose expects him to do in his position and will be ready once called up. They will know their jobs inside out and will have seen the senior squad winning on the pitch with the same work ethic and style of play.
Would people really rather us become an Arsenal? Give everyone a run out in the Capital One Cup but win fuck all every year?

Sweet jesus. This is going around in circles. I'm done. Agree to Disagree and all that.

I just think this season its the right thing to do. We're chasing to win everything we can so we want to win everything and keep the momentum going. Keeping everyone in the main squad happy so the squad players will accept not starting and have the right mentality to be ready to come in and do the job when needed, later on in the season when the big games start I really feel we'll be in a better position for it.
Hopefully RLC will get his Premiership debut before the season is out because physically he looks ready. Would love to see Bamford in the squad next season if Drogba retires.

Whatever your views on Jose and the promotion of youth, Both sides of the argument have very valid points and its an interesting discussion, But I really do think Jose knows how vital it is, and he has spoke about it and I get the feeling that no one wants it to work out more then anyone. I also feel its going to happen in the next few years as Jose's influence into the club will grow. I also feel that for the youth to progress the lesser players (Mikel, Ramires, Salah and more to be assessed later in the season i.e Schurrle) need to leave and this should only be done when your starting eleven is at a level where we can allow to put academy players on the bench and give them vital minutes.
Last night at Derby was a good move by Jose imo. They've been playing Premiership quality football in the Championship at home, packed crowd hostile atmosphere, we need experience and know how. Anyone who doesn't care about the Capital One Cup is out of it. Jose clearly wants it and so do I. We have catching up in regards to honours to do but lets judge that when Jose leaves.
For all we know, if this season went with us winning nothing again would Roman keep Jose in the job? Winning breeds a winning culture. This will filter through the whole club. Promotion of youth is literally the last thing that is stopping us from becoming a superclub at the minute, and if you offered me that at the start of the season I wouldn't have said no.

Sweet jesus. This is going around in circles. I'm done. Agree to Disagree and all that.

I just think this season its the right thing to do. We're chasing to win everything we can so we want to win everything and keep the momentum going. Keeping everyone in the main squad happy so the squad players will accept not starting and have the right mentality to be ready to come in and do the job when needed, later on in the season when the big games start I really feel we'll be in a better position for it.
Hopefully RLC will get his Premiership debut before the season is out because physically he looks ready. Would love to see Bamford in the squad next season if Drogba retires.

Why any manager would work under Daniel Levy is beyond me. He is possibly the biggest cunt in football so lets hope he stays where he is for the forseeable future.
I like Harry Redknapp and him getting sacked after finishing 4th and us qualifying ahead of them for the Champions League. Would have loved to see Levys face when we beat Bayern!

Really really really hope Steve Clarke does well at Reading. Perfect club for him in my opinion. Think he could build something special there to be honest.

Whatever your views on Jose and the promotion of youth, Both sides of the argument have very valid points and its an interesting discussion, But I really do think Jose knows how vital it is, and he has spoke about it and I get the feeling that no one wants it to work out more then anyone. I also feel its going to happen in the next few years as Jose's influence into the club will grow. I also feel that for the youth to progress the lesser players (Mikel, Ramires, Salah and more to be assessed later in the season i.e Schurrle) need to leave and this should only be done when your starting eleven is at a level where we can allow to put academy players on the bench and give them vital minutes.
Last night at Derby was a good move by Jose imo. They've been playing Premiership quality football in the Championship at home, packed crowd hostile atmosphere, we need experience and know how. Anyone who doesn't care about the Capital One Cup is out of it. Jose clearly wants it and so do I. We have catching up in regards to honours to do but lets judge that when Jose leaves.
For all we know, if this season went with us winning nothing again would Roman keep Jose in the job? Winning breeds a winning culture. This will filter through the whole club. Promotion of youth is literally the last thing that is stopping us from becoming a superclub at the minute, and if you offered me that at the start of the season I wouldn't have said no.

Sweet jesus. This is going around in circles. I'm done. Agree to Disagree and all that.

Whatever your views on Jose and the promotion of youth, Both sides of the argument have very valid points and its an interesting discussion, But I really do think Jose knows how vital it is, and he has spoke about it and I get the feeling that no one wants it to work out more then anyone. I also feel its going to happen in the next few years as Jose's influence into the club will grow. I also feel that for the youth to progress the lesser players (Mikel, Ramires, Salah and more to be assessed later in the season i.e Schurrle) need to leave and this should only be done when your starting eleven is at a level where we can allow to put academy players on the bench and give them vital minutes.
Last night at Derby was a good move by Jose imo. They've been playing Premiership quality football in the Championship at home, packed crowd hostile atmosphere, we need experience and know how. Anyone who doesn't care about the Capital One Cup is out of it. Jose clearly wants it and so do I. We have catching up in regards to honours to do but lets judge that when Jose leaves.
For all we know, if this season went with us winning nothing again would Roman keep Jose in the job? Winning breeds a winning culture. This will filter through the whole club. Promotion of youth is literally the last thing that is stopping us from becoming a superclub at the minute, and if you offered me that at the start of the season I wouldn't have said no.

Can I just say, this has been quite an interesting & civilised debate.. Nice to see TC is capable of it

Whatever your views on Jose and the promotion of youth, Both sides of the argument have very valid points and its an interesting discussion, But I really do think Jose knows how vital it is, and he has spoke about it and I get the feeling that no one wants it to work out more then anyone. I also feel its going to happen in the next few years as Jose's influence into the club will grow. I also feel that for the youth to progress the lesser players (Mikel, Ramires, Salah and more to be assessed later in the season i.e Schurrle) need to leave and this should only be done when your starting eleven is at a level where we can allow to put academy players on the bench and give them vital minutes.
Last night at Derby was a good move by Jose imo. They've been playing Premiership quality football in the Championship at home, packed crowd hostile atmosphere, we need experience and know how. Anyone who doesn't care about the Capital One Cup is out of it. Jose clearly wants it and so do I. We have catching up in regards to honours to do but lets judge that when Jose leaves.
For all we know, if this season went with us winning nothing again would Roman keep Jose in the job? Winning breeds a winning culture. This will filter through the whole club. Promotion of youth is literally the last thing that is stopping us from becoming a superclub at the minute, and if you offered me that at the start of the season I wouldn't have said no.

Whatever your views on Jose and the promotion of youth, Both sides of the argument have very valid points and its an interesting discussion, But I really do think Jose knows how vital it is, and he has spoke about it and I get the feeling that no one wants it to work out more then anyone. I also feel its going to happen in the next few years as Jose's influence into the club will grow. I also feel that for the youth to progress the lesser players (Mikel, Ramires, Salah and more to be assessed later in the season i.e Schurrle) need to leave and this should only be done when your starting eleven is at a level where we can allow to put academy players on the bench and give them vital minutes.
Last night at Derby was a good move by Jose imo. They've been playing Premiership quality football in the Championship at home, packed crowd hostile atmosphere, we need experience and know how. Anyone who doesn't care about the Capital One Cup is out of it. Jose clearly wants it and so do I. We have catching up in regards to honours to do but lets judge that when Jose leaves.
For all we know, if this season went with us winning nothing again would Roman keep Jose in the job? Winning breeds a winning culture. This will filter through the whole club. Promotion of youth is literally the last thing that is stopping us from becoming a superclub at the minute, and if you offered me that at the start of the season I wouldn't have said no.

Whatever your views on Jose and the promotion of youth, Both sides of the argument have very valid points and its an interesting discussion, But I really do think Jose knows how vital it is, and he has spoke about it and I get the feeling that no one wants it to work out more then anyone. I also feel its going to happen in the next few years as Jose's influence into the club will grow. I also feel that for the youth to progress the lesser players (Mikel, Ramires, Salah and more to be assessed later in the season i.e Schurrle) need to leave and this should only be done when your starting eleven is at a level where we can allow to put academy players on the bench and give them vital minutes.
Last night at Derby was a good move by Jose imo. They've been playing Premiership quality football in the Championship at home, packed crowd hostile atmosphere, we need experience and know how. Anyone who doesn't care about the Capital One Cup is out of it. Jose clearly wants it and so do I. We have catching up in regards to honours to do but lets judge that when Jose leaves.
For all we know, if this season went with us winning nothing again would Roman keep Jose in the job? Winning breeds a winning culture. This will filter through the whole club. Promotion of youth is literally the last thing that is stopping us from becoming a superclub at the minute, and if you offered me that at the start of the season I wouldn't have said no.

best post I've read in this forum in a long while. I absolutely agree. Wanted to write something along the lines in the Derby x Chelsea match thread, but wasn't as eloquent and clear as you.
Developing youth doesn't come from a game gifted here and there, but integrating them to the squad. Mourinho is working with them this season, and getting to know them in the training sessions. I could see the ones he feels like are nearly ready staying another season but becoming part of the squad for real. If they don't, it's because Mourinho doesn't believe they're ready to be integrated - or even in more extreme cases, that they aren't cut to make it here.
Then it comes down to trust. Mourinho had no problem benching Ramos and playing Varane - who later played most games there, at age 19, and forced Arbeloa to the bench. He gave Varane the chance because he thought he was capable. It really doesn't make a difference if Varane was formed at Madrid or not, after training a while under Mourinho, Mourinho saw what he needed and promoted the kid. Mourinho is competitive and I agree with everyone who will say he isn't know as a youth promoter kind of manager. I agree he's even reluctant to use them, but he's not a clown that will give those kids 1-2 matches a season in worthless matches or matches of less importance just to shut fans up. He will give the chances for those he believes are ready to receive REAL chances, not charity.

Because if we fielded a team with Baker, Boga and Solanke in it, along with Christensen, Ake, Salah and Zouma in it we'd probably lose and I imagine Jose really wants to win the Capital One Cup this season. I would have started Solanke over Drogba but Drogba needed match fitness which is paying dividends now.
RLC probably should have got more game time yes, But Jose wanted to make sure the game was won. We owed it to Schalke to play our best and put out a good side. Nearly every team who had qualified put out more or less there strongest teams.
If we want to give our academy players more time then they need to be in the squad instead of the likes of Salah, Mikel, Ramires because when we have a chance to weaken the team these players will be given the minutes first because of their fees and wages.
And it is down to managerial stability. If Jose had been here 4 or 5 years we would have seen more academy players. The young players will learn what Jose expects him to do in his position and will be ready once called up. They will know their jobs inside out and will have seen the senior squad winning on the pitch with the same work ethic and style of play.
Would people really rather us become an Arsenal? Give everyone a run out in the Capital One Cup but win fuck all every year?

Because if we fielded a team with Baker, Boga and Solanke in it, along with Christensen, Ake, Salah and Zouma in it we'd probably lose and I imagine Jose really wants to win the Capital One Cup this season. I would have started Solanke over Drogba but Drogba needed match fitness which is paying dividends now.
RLC probably should have got more game time yes, But Jose wanted to make sure the game was won. We owed it to Schalke to play our best and put out a good side. Nearly every team who had qualified put out more or less there strongest teams.
If we want to give our academy players more time then they need to be in the squad instead of the likes of Salah, Mikel, Ramires because when we have a chance to weaken the team these players will be given the minutes first because of their fees and wages.
And it is down to managerial stability. If Jose had been here 4 or 5 years we would have seen more academy players. The young players will learn what Jose expects him to do in his position and will be ready once called up. They will know their jobs inside out and will have seen the senior squad winning on the pitch with the same work ethic and style of play.
Would people really rather us become an Arsenal? Give everyone a run out in the Capital One Cup but win fuck all every year?

Because if we fielded a team with Baker, Boga and Solanke in it, along with Christensen, Ake, Salah and Zouma in it we'd probably lose and I imagine Jose really wants to win the Capital One Cup this season. I would have started Solanke over Drogba but Drogba needed match fitness which is paying dividends now.
RLC probably should have got more game time yes, But Jose wanted to make sure the game was won. We owed it to Schalke to play our best and put out a good side. Nearly every team who had qualified put out more or less there strongest teams.
If we want to give our academy players more time then they need to be in the squad instead of the likes of Salah, Mikel, Ramires because when we have a chance to weaken the team these players will be given the minutes first because of their fees and wages.
And it is down to managerial stability. If Jose had been here 4 or 5 years we would have seen more academy players. The young players will learn what Jose expects him to do in his position and will be ready once called up. They will know their jobs inside out and will have seen the senior squad winning on the pitch with the same work ethic and style of play.
Would people really rather us become an Arsenal? Give everyone a run out in the Capital One Cup but win fuck all every year?

Because if we fielded a team with Baker, Boga and Solanke in it, along with Christensen, Ake, Salah and Zouma in it we'd probably lose and I imagine Jose really wants to win the Capital One Cup this season. I would have started Solanke over Drogba but Drogba needed match fitness which is paying dividends now.
RLC probably should have got more game time yes, But Jose wanted to make sure the game was won. We owed it to Schalke to play our best and put out a good side. Nearly every team who had qualified put out more or less there strongest teams.
If we want to give our academy players more time then they need to be in the squad instead of the likes of Salah, Mikel, Ramires because when we have a chance to weaken the team these players will be given the minutes first because of their fees and wages.
And it is down to managerial stability. If Jose had been here 4 or 5 years we would have seen more academy players. The young players will learn what Jose expects him to do in his position and will be ready once called up. They will know their jobs inside out and will have seen the senior squad winning on the pitch with the same work ethic and style of play.
Would people really rather us become an Arsenal? Give everyone a run out in the Capital One Cup but win fuck all every year?

Because if we fielded a team with Baker, Boga and Solanke in it, along with Christensen, Ake, Salah and Zouma in it we'd probably lose and I imagine Jose really wants to win the Capital One Cup this season. I would have started Solanke over Drogba but Drogba needed match fitness which is paying dividends now.
RLC probably should have got more game time yes, But Jose wanted to make sure the game was won. We owed it to Schalke to play our best and put out a good side. Nearly every team who had qualified put out more or less there strongest teams.
If we want to give our academy players more time then they need to be in the squad instead of the likes of Salah, Mikel, Ramires because when we have a chance to weaken the team these players will be given the minutes first because of their fees and wages.
And it is down to managerial stability. If Jose had been here 4 or 5 years we would have seen more academy players. The young players will learn what Jose expects him to do in his position and will be ready once called up. They will know their jobs inside out and will have seen the senior squad winning on the pitch with the same work ethic and style of play.
Would people really rather us become an Arsenal? Give everyone a run out in the Capital One Cup but win fuck all every year?

Jose didn't really do it at Inter and Madrid because he wasn't there long enough and the short term results were too important. Especially at Madrid. Its all well and good talking about it in theory, but a top manager isn't going to risk bringing youth players through because they're under pressure for short term results. If a manager starts to intergrate youth players results could slip and in today's footballing world a few bad results and questions are being immediately asked of your job.
This can change with managerial stability. Jose knew he wasn't going to spend long with Inter or Madrid, but obviously see's Chelsea as a long term thing, So promoting youth players is something we'll see more of in the future. We have to give Jose the chance to perfect the first team side before the promoting of youth players becomes a main priority.

Jose didn't really do it at Inter and Madrid because he wasn't there long enough and the short term results were too important. Especially at Madrid. Its all well and good talking about it in theory, but a top manager isn't going to risk bringing youth players through because they're under pressure for short term results. If a manager starts to intergrate youth players results could slip and in today's footballing world a few bad results and questions are being immediately asked of your job.
This can change with managerial stability. Jose knew he wasn't going to spend long with Inter or Madrid, but obviously see's Chelsea as a long term thing, So promoting youth players is something we'll see more of in the future. We have to give Jose the chance to perfect the first team side before the promoting of youth players becomes a main priority.

Every time Lampard scores for City i just experience an emptiness inside.
Can't fucking wait till his loan is over.