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Interesting move. Became a very rounded MF player at PSV who play the traditional Dutch way, lots of possession, passing and moving. Be worth a shout for a back up maybe if he can stay fit. Pity he got injured under Jose years ago because he had the potential to be a very solid midfield player in my eyes, although being a youngster he wouldnt of featured regularly.

Yeah but the games he actually started in he was close to abysmal most times bar one game v Brighton in the PL. Hes good to throw on against tired teams when your constantly getting service into the box but when we used him from the start, he was useless because his link up and movement was so mediocre. Definitely not worth the 32m

"bUt He CaNt PlAy AnYwHeRe ExCePt As A dM" Na hes so good, so adaptable. Adding goals and assists to his game. Sarri was questioned when he used him there and has been continously but Kante every year has become better with the ball here and is still doing so. Brilliant. Says a lot about his desire and willingness to improve as well because he was already a world class player, who had won 2 PLs and a World Cup.

He is undoubtly a good player regardless. For me, some of his movement is quite simple but its brilliant and effective. Only been 2 PL games but 2 goals today along with plenty of encourging signs regarding his natural instinct of knowing when to make runs. Just need to keep giving him chances because hes a clinical finisher when he gets going. Also for someone Sarri said is in "bad shape" that would indicate for me that the more game time he gets in next few weeks the sharper he will get. As I said plenty of promising signs along with his pedigree as well, why not be a bit optimistic about what he can do here the next 5 months?

Honestly I dont get the whole CHO should have started shit now because its 4-0... Higuain has scored 2, Eden has scored 2... Willian is also playing alright. I suppose some people will never be happy.

2 good goals. Good movement. Not so shit now eh

Sort of agree with your point but Alonso also has to do more to get back in. Although he isnt incredibly quick to do so at times. Eden sometimes neglects to pass to him to go inside but again the full backs are always going to be high so losing the ball will leave us exposed at times, thats the same issue City and Liverpool also have though. Teams who commit their full backs high up are always going to be exposed in wide areas when there's a turnover.

Exactly. Sarri has clearly challenged Kante to be much more adventourous this season, to have more involvements offensively as well as recover the ball higher up the pitch, like the rest of the team. He still offers everything else, I dont buy this he is a DM only because hes never actually played as one here bar 4 games under Conte before he went to 343 and didnt at Leicester. His best games have always been in a MF 2 or MF 3. Kante and Jorginho are nailed on to start most matches regardless of form because Kante is a world class player and Jorginho is essential to how we play , its the LCM position that is a huge issue and even if we played with a 10 still Barkley is the most natural fit for that role and is infuriating at times along with the lack movement infront off him. Jorginhos struggle isnt just completely down to him, he is man marked most matches and the other MF players dont take the responsibility to take the baton and demand the ball as he does. Even when he gets time where are the options he had at Napoli for instance? Everyones coming short, nobody is willing to move off the ball to create the opportunity for a longer pass. Nobody making selfless runs like Callejon or Hamsik would or a regular basis. Fair enough hes also had poor games but he is a key component and I would hate to see how good he would be for City because they have a bit of everything, quick combination play, plenty of MF players who are willing to take responsibility, wide players who make excellent movements without the ball. Sarri could play 2 strikers when we are chasing a game yes but we need plan A tp be effective if he is to have any future here. If it means being stubborn and having to build the squad again then so be it. When you appoint a guy like Sarri or a Pep or a whoever who are one method managers who play their way or nothing then you have to buy into it.

Yeah for another manager to do exactly the same. Good idea. You would think we were Ajax and Sarri is going against the culture of the club...

But again with 4231, your going to lose movement off the ball which Kante provides. Its not a huge difference, two screens yes but Luiz at CB and Alonso or Emerson at LB is still pretty suspect. Plus Sarris attacking instincts Kante will still be asked to push up and make options because he cannot affect a game from a deeper position in an offensive way. It will be interesting to see if he would change it but I wouldn't expect anything hugely different. Fullbacks maybe have more cover yes but again, will it affect our attacking play? Defensively weve been poor recently too and I get thst but Sarri is a purist, he would rather win 5-4 playing in that way than grind out a 1-0. The Man City game was maybe an exception at times but they pressed us so well.

Lets be honest no manager weve had in the last 5 years would play him ahead of these guys so its hardly anything to be surprised about or to particularly just blame Sarri for. Happened with other youngsters in the last 10 years or so too so again, hardly surprising.

100% I get people have different views on Sarri and whatever but the point youve made is spot on. Luiz, Alonso, Willian, Hazard and Barkley need to perform today especially. Thought Emerson would be left out he was poor v Bournemouth. Higuains movement has been promising so far, lets hope we get some service to him.

In all fairness as well, the formation wont make a huge difference. 4231 just means youve got a pure 10 and not playing with a 6 as opposed to 433 with a 6 and two 8s. Its still not going to make Willian, Hazard, Kovacic/Barkley do more offensively is it? Kante will still push up and Jorginho will still dictate the play. The players in attack will still stand still and we would still be exposed when we lose the ball becasze everyone will be higher up. 4231 basically becomes a 433 because Kante and Jorginho both dont need to be deeper to move the ball out when we have it. Was the same when when had Ramires playing in a double pivot. He just pushed up and it was effectively 433. The 10 would drop in as a more advanced CM without the ball... The issue with our play is with the ball in the final third (if your going to use David Luiz and Emerson in your back 4 you should 100% expect to concede big chances/goals imo) , its more patterns of play than the formation. We always come inside, always into overcrowded central areas. Theres no selfless movement off the ball. No overloads in wider areas. Everyone wants to dribble or take too many touches instead of 1 or 2 touch combination plays. Sarris Napoli were exceptional at one and two touch passing, the formation doesnt neccessarily matter because regardless of where Hazard, Willian, Kovacic/Barkley play they will dribble when they could pass or take too many touches... I mean Sarri said we haven't even learned the basics and hes right, in the final third we are slow because players dont look to play quickly or change it up. Napoli were hard to play against because they played at such a tempo and were unpredictable in attack, they could get at you from wide areas, come inside, they were inventive in the final third. Defensively they would be narrow and let teams try to attack them through the wings because at CB theh had 2 strong defenders in the air and a goalkeeper who was comfortable at coming for higher crosses.

German mentality. Losing is not acceptable. Hes fucking right they should be ashamed too. Bournemouth are a decent outfit but hardly the sort of team we should lose to full stop, never mind 4-0

Honestly? Last season except the first 3 months and a run of 5 games towards the end of the year he was again, very very ordinary. That season under Jose and Hiddink, injuries or whatever, when he actually played he was like a totally different player in a very bad way. When last seasons major turning point and big games came up when we were fighting to try and stay comfortable in top 4 he was poor like many (who got crucified every week regardless). Theres obviously issues with a huge chunk of the squad for inconsistentcy, not just Eden but he is a huge culprit, perhaps one of the biggest because when he plays at his best he is unplayable and it is unacceptable for the lack of effort he shows at times. Im not buying him playing as a false 9 as an excuse for when the going gets tough in terms of performancs or effort .

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

Form wise when was the last time Hazard played at a high level cor weeks on end? The first 7 games of the season? The consistency doesnt exist? Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar all more consistent. That is a fact. In the last 4 seasons Eden fell completely off the map in 2 of them after being arguably the player of the year in title winning seasons. Or you going to tell me that is perfectly fucking normal? 😂 If Hazard was Willian this thread would be full of criticism every week, regardless of performances so I think there is a bit of biast in all fairness. If you are happy with Eden playing like this too fair enough 😂 I know I aint. Half arsed it for ages now except the Spurs game. Also good to see youve actually acknowledged Costa and Cescs roles because others on here would soley just give Eden all the credit for those title winning seasons.

How did they adapt? They still play the same styles they've always used in their careers... its just better because they were more persistent with it at the beginning. Klopp and Pep both still hardly rotate that often too. Sometimes to change the culture and style you need to be more drastic, if Sarri has to do what he has to do to get us there then so be it. Seems some people just dont want to change and would rather we were this quick fix team who changed manager every 2 years, yes theres been success but success wont always happen with this method.

So has Klopp and so has Pep. Lack of rotations are one of their biggest faults. Klopp ran 7 or 8 BVB players into the ground in his final 2 seasons. Same with Pep at Bayern but he blamed fitness coaches and doctors. If we had either of those 2 and this happened it would still be the same. Players need to get on with it, show a bit of effort and toughen up. Also Pep refuses to let Foden leave on loan but wants to keep him because hes a young player with huge talent... sound familiar? Pep also stuck with Bravo in goals when he first arrived despite costing them matches/playing poorly. Again. Similar. All coaches have limitations but Pep is in his 3rd season at City with a squad stockpiled with brilliant players after people said his style and his arrogance in believing it would cost him success.... Klopp has built the best Liverpool 11 in god knows how long because he has time and they bought into his methods. Even more ironic if we sacked Sarri who would we get next? The list of good managers we havent appointed who would potentially be interested gets smaller every few seasons.

Really? 2 bad seasons he got no criticism for and a lot of poor performances this one when we all know he can do better.. its been a long time coming. Lets not sugarcoat it. If anybody is happy with him half arsing it and playing poorly like has the last while bar the Spurs game then I would be surprised. Sarri called him out for playing how he wants, not how the manager wants him to do. The manager is top dog, not Eden. Team comes first before him too. Bet you would be the first to criticze Sarri too saying its his fault Edens playing so poorly.

Well if he downs tools again completely, I hope Sarri is ballsy enough to bench him and use CHO more. Edens reputation is a saving grace for him but if he is gonna half arse it and ignore the managers instructions, whats the fucking point in starting him? Its good to see people finally being vocal about this because his roles in the Mourinho disaster season "wasnt his fault" at all along with Contes second season...

Happened under 3 managers in 4 or 5 years. Mourinho got a huge chunk of blame for that season but the evidence is still there to indicate the players are as much to blame...

No way to replace Eden? Please. Hes not Messi or Cristiano. Hes a great player but yeah. Good and very good attacking players always come about. Regarding the CL, other than the game v Atletico when he played off Morata last season, has he ever been hugely convincing in the CL against top level opposition? As opposed to the form hes shown in the PL in certain bigger games? I think somebody alluded to that a few seasons ago when Neymar was stepping up for Barca when Messi was injured. Neymar in that Barca PSG second leg was one of the best individual performances I think I have seen. He was so decisive. Its quite odd we won a CL with a 35 year old Drogba playing 120 minutes and such a poor starting 11 compared to the teams weve had in recent seasons.

Would be embarrasing if Willian left us to go to Paris cause we've fuckd up 2 title defences and potentially could go 2 years in a row without CL football its just typical Chelsea though 😂

Whats the point in having a world class player who cant be arsed? No disrespect to Eden but I think he should be embarrased by his perfromances except the Spurs game over the last good while. Add that to the two disasterous seasons under Jose and Conte.... Would rather an inferior player who is interested, doesnt seem to vanish whenever shit hits the fan and least of all is willing to try and change to suit a manager. Eden right now is not interested clearly. Not showing anything which youd expect from someone who many believed was the most inform player at the world cup and in Europe at the start of the season. I really do think Real Madrid or any club will be mad to spend over 150m on him. He had 2 really bad seasons one year afyer winning the title being one of the most inform players in the league. Why would Madrid who are sitting behind Barca as it is and struggling want a player who can just turn it off as easily as that? Really struggling to see why folk want him to extent because hes just becoming infuriating more than anything. Real if they were to sign Neymar wouldnt even be interested either thats the funny thing.