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the main reason for that happening is that we dint have a good striker who could take the load off our attacking mids and we dint have a world class DM. and we still dont have any of those 2.

first things first, calling schurlle and willian as amatuers is a slap on their faces. and i dint do that. so dont include me in that part of the argument. secondly, if u dint read the teamsheet then u would not have known any chelsea player was on the pitch except for DD and CECH. we played that way but we won. thirdly, i dont see how schurlle and willian are better wingers than mata at this moment. none of them stick to the wing. keep cutting in and the end story that happens is that the midfield gets too crowd, defending becomes easier for the opposition team. and so far schurlle has not shown any moment of magic that would make him extraordinary. as for willian i hope he does create magic in the chances he gets. so if u dont provide natural width, and if u dont have that extra flair that hazard has, and if u simply keep getting central and make us narrow, then i dont see how they are better. sure, they do provide brilliant work-rates and are much better defensively but right now,with a striker force which has an ideal target of 5 goals this season, we need goals from the midfield. and mata provides us with those.

u dont get back form by playing some1 just for 2 games in 6 matches. moreover, in mata's case class triumphs forms. i mean lets take everton game for an example. we might not have scored in the 55 minutes but we created ample oppurtunities. we were in control of the ball and the game, but as soon as mata was taken off, everything went downhill. and even though mata was the main culprit in conceding the winner to basel, i still feel we would not have been in that situation if he had started. the point is - we play better with mata.

true. because when mata played on the wings for us, we just won the CL and FA cup, so he is definitely not good enough.

goal keeper - same defense - same pivot midfield - same striker - same (or as efficient as last year) the main thing that has changed is the coach and the way he is playing oscar over mata. so while they might not be our ONLY problem, they are defintely one of the main problems.

unfortunately the results dont agree with the both of u and THAT is the most important thing. the best thing for cfc are the results and wins and mata is the best for that.

good luck to him.

good luck to him. hope he can do as good as what nat did in his stint with watford.

hull city - 2 goals villa - 2 goals united - 0 goals everton - 0 goals 4 goals in 4 matches. u dont win matches without scoring goals and its not like we have kept 4 clean sheets in those four matches due to oscar's defensive prowess, right? we want to play a possession based brand of football. who is the best player in making us capable in doing so - JUAN MATA. is he perfect? hell no. but he is the best we have got. we will have to sacrifice somewhere and i would rather that it be with us trying to score goals rather than looking at a player's defensive contribution. also pro and cons list is very poor idea to compare these 2. if u actually want to compare then bring out the stats, the goals scored and assisted, chances made per match, crucial matches per match etc etc... that would give a much clearer picture of who should be our first priority. otherwise u can just watch chelsea playing with mata and without mata, and u will know the difference that mata creates in the team. he is the soul of the team and the most important player.

i am always nice...

nothing on this guy yet??

please put me on your ignore list if u feel anything is annoying instead of bugging people.

in his 38 appearances for wba, he scored 17 goals, assissted 4. wba finished 8th out 20 team. that too in PL. kdb in his 34 appearances for werder bremen, scored 10 assissted 10. werder finished 14th out of 18 teams. yet somehow lukaku is not ready for us despite having the most hopeless strike force but kdb is a messiah despite having the likes of mata, oscar, hazard, moses, and buying schurlle and willian. now i have got nothing against kdb and he has seemed a real good player of what i have seen of him so far, but i simply dont understand what people mean when they say "lukaku is not ready." i mean how? sure if we had bought rooney and had torres as backup then loaning him would be understandable, but how does loaning our best striker out of the current crop help us? simply perplexing.

oh dear... u r in for a rough ride... rule no. 1 on this forum is luiz and hazard are untouchable. any criticism about them will be dealt very harshly. so best of luck.

i know, but by my statement u can understand my confidence in the team. u know what, i simply cant see us score. i mean where are the goals going to come from? hazard is out of form, mata is out of favour, the striker force is (there is no word that is bad enough in the english vocabuary to describe our striker force). meanwhile cole keeps on starting games and performing abysmally. i expect taraabt to absolutely own him tomorrow, and add to it bent (i would start him if i was martin jol), i would say fulham will be more than a handful. i dont expect a win tomorrow. but a draw would be fine with me.

i hope we atleast get a point. with the manchester derby, tottenham playing away to cardiff, arsenal hosting stoke and liverpoo hosting southampton, atleast 3/4 of these teams will drop points.

care to elaborate?

cahill was marking streller, who gets ahead of him and scores a brilliant goal on the near post on a ball which should have been dealt with etoo on the near post by the way. mata loses the actual ball which resulted in the corner. but if any1 even dare mention, what luiz did against everton, he gets called names. lmao.... i can only imagine the melt down on this forum if cahill had made the same amount of mistakes luiz had made in the everton goal.

there is a reason why i feel things wont change. last season, we dint have any options. the onus was on mata and hazard (mainly) to be our heart and soul. the team was far more settled with each and every player knowing their role. moses put in a decent shift whenever needed etc etc. right now, their seems to be no spine to the team which is very strange as mou has been with us for 3 months(?). u would expect him to know how to play and who to play and all that jazz. i know things are not always ideal, but we have been BAD/PATHETIC. hull city- 15 minutes of goos football, after that absolutely nothing. aston villa - on another day, we would have lost the match. no way did we deserve to win it. man u, bayern- lets not even go there. everton - good performance, but not the first time we have been done due to our finishing. basel - uninspired, un-motivated, and horrible performance. so its not just one thing that has to be tackled with. the defence looks in shambles everytime we try to play the possession game. the midfield is uncreative, the bulid up is slow. the strikers are .... these same problems were their last season and yet nothing has been done to improve it,

how are we 2 points worse? because hazard played a ball into the box which led to an own goal? maybe we would be 4 points ahead if we had someone who performed better against united and everton. anyways this is a mata-thread. and i for one have no qualms that mata is our starter. he gives us that extra bit of control and way more creativity.

i was thinking the same thing. but just change the award from overreaction to a@@.

i am a realist. positive and negative is not what i bother with. for eg- look at the post no. 213. look at the timings. http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/16777-chelsea-v-basel/?p=765736 but if you want me to blindly say that we are gonna win every match, that is not gonna happen.

yup, but i am sure we will bounce back in the pre-season of 2014-15.

so after this match, we ll officially be having an early season slump, which would soon be followed by a winter-slump.

bustling a lung? seriously. salah could have put basel on the scoresheet twice in the first half itself. cole was getting his ass kicked (in both the everton and yesterday match) with absolutely no help from hazard. our best player on the pitch had to play either deep or shifted to the wing because hazard wanted to play central, even neville commented on that part during the match. hazard waltzed into the team and look what has happened because of playing an injured hazard ahead of better deserving players.