Tomo

He is going to have to fight to get in the team regardless, we are not going to hand him a place because he is young and has potential. Terry, Lampard and Drogba have had successful Chelsea career's because they worked hard and fought off competition (Terry and Lampard especially in the face of the glux of superstar signing's in 2003), Romelu will have to do the same.

This will be a genius move for us in the long run. Martinez has as good as confirmed he will start every match when fit and he will come back a much better player than he would have been playing here week in week out.

Yes and was reduced to a much lesser role because he coudn't play 3 times a week.

Put him on ignore, im sure he is ok in real life but he is annoying as hell on here. Although having said that his posts get quoted more than any, so it's renders that system irrelevant.

Spot on, Lampard could have easily put his head down in 2003 when the galaxy of stars were coming through the door, but he wasn't getting shafted, he made sure of that, if KDB wants a future here, he has to do the same. If he is letting the competition get to him, then being a big fish in a small pond like at Werder is the best it's going to get for him This is dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, Drogba came out the other side when we brought back Crespo then signed Sheva and Anelka, Lampard has seen of competition down the years to be where he is, Terry had to compete with Carvalho and Gallas in his peak years. Mata looks like he has forced his way back in though hard work, KDB should take their example's and if he wants to make it here or at any top club has to.

It was more of a tongue in cheek comment. But speaking of Schurrle, if he was in a similar position no one would bat an eyelid. He would still face a fight in Dortmund regardless, Kiopp wouldn't stand for under performing players if he wasn't playing well.

United fans have been calling for Giggs to retire for as long as i can remember. If he carries on much longer he is in serious danger of doing damage to his legend tag.

Jesus wept, some of the comment here are . We are not a youth charity, if KDB plays it's because he deserves to on merit, not because he is a young player, Jose is not going to play him because some supporters have a fetish of the average age of the starting Xl being as young and inexperienced as possible. You think he would walk in to Dortmund's team with Reus, Mikhitaryan and Blaszczyowski around? KDB will get a game soon, and it's up to him to 'do a Mata' and show Jose he deserves a place, not the other way round. This is Chelsea FC not Kevin De Bruyne FC

Any other player who has a mini run of form after god knows how much shite we would not be talking about a resurgence. For aslong as he plays for Chelsea i will hope upon hope he can find his old form back, because if he does we will benefit, but how many false dawns have we had with him before? It literally takes one little knock and he is back in his shell. If it was Sturridge or Kalou yesterday who had the same performance, they wouldn't have got praised for it, they would have got abused for missing an easy chance and for getting themself's sent off, and some say that the "abuse" Torres get's is shocking, unreal!!!

One thing i have learned this season beyond any doubt, is that there is far too much putting player before club going on.

Looks like i have got i badly wrong with Hull, Bolton and Yeovil but my Fulham, Sunderland and City prediction's seem to be following though so far.

When was the last time his acutal goal was discussed in this thread, instead of going over old wounds?

While his performance was good on Saturday their needs to be a little bit of perspective on things. It's only his 2nd match in his CFC career he has looked like a £50m player, if he can keep up this form till Christmas then great, but im not counting any chickens after the false dawns of the last two and a half years, Ronaldo had a stinker against Leti last weekend, doesn't mean he's going to have many more.

Allen was brought by Rodgers. I look at their team and for me i still think they are miles behind the top 5, they or Everton may get 5th if one has an absolute shocker but i just can't see them getting 4th.

They didn't have the European distractions under Kenny and look what happened. Im surprised that the general consensus is that Liverpool will finish above Everton, it's forgotten that Everton have been the numero uno in Merseyside for the last two season's.

To an extent you are right, but sometimes there is exceptions. Drogba (im not saying Giroud will be anywhere near as good as him btw) had a similar goal ratio in his opening two season's at Chelsea, but would you have swapped him for Van Nisseroy?

He's always been a very good player even before he started scoring, next time you see Arsenal watch him closely, his movement has defenders tripping over themself's. Funny you mention Ramsey, him in our pivot would be quite handy right now. And its Everton that should be on your list, they are the top 6 team, not Liverpool

Sometimes things don't work out at certain clubs. Look at Damien Duff, brilliant for Chelsea and Blackburn, shit for Newcastle then he signed for Fulham and all off a sudden his Chelsea/Blackburn form re-emerged. Should he have got played ahead of Torres last season? yes, would he have done better? almost certainly. Is he good enough for a team challenging for the title? im not so sure. If we want to kick ourself's about one forward, it should be Giroud, he turned us down for Arsenal because they had Wenger and we had Robbie, he would have been perfect for our system.

So another week of hearing how Liverpool are suddenly amazing and going to get in the top 4, great.

He is also a criminally over-rated defender. He is basically the exact version of what the media try and portrait Luiz as.

When's he due back?

That's true, i was thinking off the playmaking side of the pivot, which is why Josh came into my thought process ahead of Chalobah. Van Aanholt i think he is finished with Chelsea, i never rated him that highly anyway, he's fast and hits a decent shot every now and again, but defensively makes Bosingwa look like Phillip Lahm, which Mourinho won't tolerate. Luke Shaw is a decent shout, but like you said he won't come cheap and will need time to blend in, maybe a gradul swap between him and Cole for the next year or two, but on the other hand that will effectively end Bertrand's time here.

He must still be injured, there cannot be any other reason. Hopefully he starts against Arsenal and works his way in from there. I think he could be important this season if he gets games, he is a very good player and the more we see off him, the less we wills see of the ticking time bomb partnership that is Cahill and Luiz.

But the thing is while Terry is doing fine right now, it won't happen for ever, United are starting to pay the price for sticking with Rio, Evra and Vidic for as long as they have. We can't wait for JT to decline, we have to act before it happens. @Rmpr, made a good point with the LB situation to for the same reason. I see your point with the squad pivot player, but if we can get a decent one on the cheap or use Josh if he has a great loan, then that could work.

The priority next summer has to be 4 players, central defender (Kalas progress pending), first team pivot player, squad pivot player (maybe Josh if he progresses at Watford), and forward. In my opinion. The reason i said squad player for the pivot, is if say we get Witsel and he gets a bad injury, we will be back to square one.