Tomo

So another week of hearing how Liverpool are suddenly amazing and going to get in the top 4, great.

He is also a criminally over-rated defender. He is basically the exact version of what the media try and portrait Luiz as.

When's he due back?

That's true, i was thinking off the playmaking side of the pivot, which is why Josh came into my thought process ahead of Chalobah. Van Aanholt i think he is finished with Chelsea, i never rated him that highly anyway, he's fast and hits a decent shot every now and again, but defensively makes Bosingwa look like Phillip Lahm, which Mourinho won't tolerate. Luke Shaw is a decent shout, but like you said he won't come cheap and will need time to blend in, maybe a gradul swap between him and Cole for the next year or two, but on the other hand that will effectively end Bertrand's time here.

He must still be injured, there cannot be any other reason. Hopefully he starts against Arsenal and works his way in from there. I think he could be important this season if he gets games, he is a very good player and the more we see off him, the less we wills see of the ticking time bomb partnership that is Cahill and Luiz.

But the thing is while Terry is doing fine right now, it won't happen for ever, United are starting to pay the price for sticking with Rio, Evra and Vidic for as long as they have. We can't wait for JT to decline, we have to act before it happens. @Rmpr, made a good point with the LB situation to for the same reason. I see your point with the squad pivot player, but if we can get a decent one on the cheap or use Josh if he has a great loan, then that could work.

The priority next summer has to be 4 players, central defender (Kalas progress pending), first team pivot player, squad pivot player (maybe Josh if he progresses at Watford), and forward. In my opinion. The reason i said squad player for the pivot, is if say we get Witsel and he gets a bad injury, we will be back to square one.

Same with Schurrle, he got fuck knows how much stick because people were paranoid he was some sort of devil forcing out KDB.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24299819 There could be two Manchester United's in the CL next season now Gibraltar have a CL place next season. How funny would it be if United don't qualify but the Gibraltar one do? :lol:

We are actually really lucky he has come back when he did. With Spurs, Arsenal and City all improving, we could have been in serious doo, doo as far as the top 4 is concerned if he didn't return.

I keep hearing how Moyes worked miracles at Everton. He did a good job but he wasn't a miracle worker, he usually had the 7th highest spend in the division, guess what his average finish was? Pellegrini had similar funds to what Moyes did when the Chillean was at Villareal, yet he broke the big two duopoly, got far in the Champions League a few times and also reguarly qualified for the competition. Moyes got top 4 once and ironically got his backside tanned by Manuel in the qualifiers.

I have said it before, i really believe Barca are going to win at-least the next 5 titles and possibly not lose to Madrid in that period too. Then Madrid fans will truly know just how special Mourinho was for them.

Also even in 2004, it took a while, it wasn't until October Jose realized the diamond was getting us nowhere and Duff, J.Cole and Robben on the wings was the way forward.

David Moyes has now written off United's CL chances I have said this for years and got mullered for it, he is Roy Hogdson mark 2.

Owen Hargreavs before the game called Willian and Lamela number 10's It wouldn't wind me up so much if they weren't on good money.

On his interview with BBC, Jose said he was about to bring off Oscar for Eto'o before Torres got sent off.

Just to put perspective on things, if Arsenal lose, we will be two points off the top having not really hit form yet and already having three top 6 away games. Could be worse.

Wasn't there a fair number on here who thought Moyes should have been our manager at one point?

If Arsenal don't win today we will be two points off the top having played 3 of the top 6 away (yes, i still believe Everton are better than Liverpool), not to shabby. Hopefully we can hear the end of the Jose doubters, Mata had his best game in months probably since January, his pressing and overall game is looking alot better and even Torres is looking like a footballer again (as great as he was today, i need to see him perform consistently for months before i comp-template humble pie, we have been here before). He is the best in the business, when will the penny drop? Jose took a risk at half time with the sub to go for the draw, isn't that refreshing after the rigidity of Rafa?

I think he has just played his way back into the team. Already his pressing looks better and has had his best game for months. Maybe we should trust Mourinho in future?

Not to mention people (especially the romantics) went mental when Mourinho instantly dropped Cudicini for Cech, the result? league title with record points and least goal conceded ever in a league season, and it still doesn't sink in. With Ramos i don't get why people got pissed about that, he was awful as a right back, up until Mou's appointment they had by far the worse defense out of the top teams in Europe, i remember they lost 4-0 at Anfield and 6-2 to Barca and in both Casilas was one of their best player's.

If it helps the overall team results, i can live with it. The team > any one player Also if he improves his pressing and all round play he might play a lot more games for Spain, i can't think of any other reason Pedro starts ahead of him.

Im not (my reference to the Everton game), if that happens over the course of the season (the team playing better with Torres) then you have a point. This is basically a one month spell and we played well at Everton when he didn't start. Far, far to early to draw conclusion's. If Barca won 4 in a row while Messi gets injured and draw 2 on his return, does that mean their better off without him?

I was referring to two games, the Wembley game, and the game at WHL when we drew 1-1 and had the much better of the match.

Jose should confirm Rambo is out then start him, that would put a spanner in AVB's plans.