Tomo

If Kagawa is struggling to get games, i can hardly see KDB getting picked by the Dinosour.

It's these type of games that win or lose you title's. Fergie's record in big games wasn't great, away from home it was borderline crap, but he never forgot the importance of beating the bottom sides, that's were we have fallen since Jose was here last and that's why Rafa has never won a PL title.

While that may be true, i just find it incredibly annoying that Eto'o is getting wrote off already by the same people who stuck by Torres during a 24 hour goal drought, it wasn't just with Eto'o, it was the same with Sturridge, Danny was getting slated for missing easy chances while Torres was getting praised for any little decent thing while not even getting in the position's to miss the "easy chances" Danny was getting. The highlighted bit of your post on the other hand can't be more true.

Torres get's praised to the hilt for any half decent performance, the fact there is the "he's back" after that performance says a lot in itself, if we got what we paid for the display at WHL would have been one of his quieter performances. As since Torres got huge backing during a tough start, it's only fair Eto'o gets the same, and Eto'o looks like Henry if you compare his first 4 games to Nando's when he joined against Liverpool, Fulham, Copenhagen and United.

--------------------Cech-------------------- Ivan--------Luiz---------Terry-------Cole -------------Rami--------Lampard-------- Mata--------------Oscar----------Schurlle --------------------Eto'o--------------------- If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And Torres isn't? It's amazing what a £50m pricetag can do.

Guus Hiddink has never stayed in one managerial job longer than 4 years, are you saying he wears our his welcome too?

If Torres performed like this tonight, especially in playing a part in 3 goals, they will be floods of comments in his player profile saying he is well and truly back and what great form he is on.

Sounds like every CFC game for Torres bar the last two.

Im guessing this thread is quiet because of the good game he had tonight. If he can start scoring regularly he will be abigger asset this season than general opinion believes.

It took 4 minutes for the co-commentator to have a little dig Tonight shows why he and JT is our best CB pair.

Superb tonight, and even when not scoring, Eto'o offers more than Torres does. Top team performance, same again for Norwich, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

---------------------Cech----------------------- Azpi---------Cahill------Terry----------Cole --------------Mikel-------Ramires------------ Mata---------------Oscar--------------Willian --------------------Torres---------------------- First time in over 2 years i have put my Torres in "my" lineup on the match thread.

We had stability in every other sense at the club, which is what helped us hugely (even with the assistant's we have only had 3 'club' assistant's in the Roman era, 4 if you count Emenalo's interim spell there). But your right after suffering with the Scolari especially, it baffles me how people are already questioning if Jose is the right man.

08/09 1 09/10 3 10/11 1 11/12 1 12/13 9 So apart from last season we haven't picked up more than 3 points from Goodison, Old Trafford and White Hart Lane since Jose was here last. When we start dropping silly points then we can start worrying, but there is absolutely nothing to be overally concerned about right now.

Jose has done it again, we have a difficult away trip which has effectively become a must win after the Basle game, normally the spot light would be on that and even more so with the group stage exit last season. Jose has sold the media a dummy story yet again.

Courtois vs Cech will be the saga off the summer next close season, we have exhausted the loan option with this lad, it's decision time.

What you mean like AVB and RDM who started Lukaku every match when fit and played KDB instead of sticking to Malouda (AVB) and signing Marin (RDM)?

Fair enough (regarding Witsel/Eto'o). At the same time how often to we get teams from Bulgaria, Austria or Hungary upsetting the big teams? i can't recall it ever happening, that would be the 'dog shit' league's, those countries have the type of teams we would play in qualifiers and group games and would win comfortably 29 times out of 30. The Swiss league only really has Basle that would give the top teams a game (or St Gallen aswell in our case ) in the Russian league there's the Moscow clubs, Zenit, Anzhi and Rubin who could and have given the big boys tough games on more than one occasion.

So if we signed Witsel would you have the same reservation's? Like i said it may not be the PL but at the same time it's not the Bulgarian League either. If it's as bad as you say why did the likes of Rubin Kazan get 4 points off Barca in the group (and fully deserve too btw)? Why did CSKA Moscow outplay United at Old Trafford? Why did the same team get 4/6 against Arsenal and get to the quarter final? Why did Zenit romp the Europa league smashing Bayern Munich (who were at the time walking the Bundesliga) 5-1 on the way? There is many more example's of Russian teams coming into the CL/EL and matching the "big boys" but im too lazy to check for more examples right now.

How is he semi retired? because he played in the Russian League? it may not be the PL but it is still a strong league with good teams in it, as teams in "strong league's" have found out on more than one occasion.

Don't get me wrong im not trying to say he offer's nothing because that clearly isn't the case but he is in the stage of his career where is game time needs to be managed carefully.

What annoys me is their this constant myth he kept performing minor miracles with a limited budget, which just wasn't true, putting wages into account i think he had the 7th highest budget in the PL, guess what his average finish was for Everton? He did a decent job, but that was it (I use to cringe when people wanted him at Chelsea) compare that to Pellegrini at Villareal who had similar funds to Moyes but delivered consistent CL football (getting them to a couple of quarters and a semi) aswell as being the only manager to break the Real-Barca duopoly in the last nine years. As for Moyes at Man.Utd, am i the only one seeing alarming similarities with Roy Hodgson at Liverpool?

Well by the end he was by far their best player and would be again if he goes back. "Just to tell you that Kevin knows what it's like to put up a fight. So he'll do the same at Chelsea, " Good then he will be forcing his way into Mou's reckoning sooner rather then later then

But at the same time a huge number would have bit our hand off if we offered a Ronaldo-Robben swap. It's probably a similar situation to Benteke-Lukaku now, Benteke is currently better but Lukaku could quite easily overtake him in the near future, in comparison to the United fans situation back then, i doubt their is one CFC fan that would swap the two.