Tomo

Hopefully he can follow Ramsey's example and hopefully we will learn from Arsenal fans and give him time to settle after an injury because their will be a mental side, worrying about his knee going again.

He just needs more service. If we sign Alonso, Mascerano and Gerrard next summer Torres will be scoring everygame, they played with him at his peak, they will know what to do.

or cost 50 big one's

The one thing that will always make me feel confident against Spurs is the mental aspect, people expect them to win and i wonder how they will react to that. 11/12 they were better than us, but we still outplayed them at White Hart Lane and thumped them 5-1 with the world watching.

Amazing isn't it, Drogba in his first two season's was getting hounded and sometimes booed despite playing well and giving a lot to the team, yet that wasn't good enough, Torres on the other hand is having another one off these mini spells were he is looking something off a footballer, and here we go again.

Actually i think Eto'o has done fine, Everton we played well, and the thing is while he hasn't been amazing, he gets involved in play a lot more than Torres does, Nish posted something is Eto'o's thread backing that up. Torres may have done ok against Bayern and Swindon, but Hull he was awful, one touch in the penalty area for a forward, one. Im amazed at the writing off on Eto'o after 3 games, when it took over a year for Torres to get the critics he deserved.

What about most of the games in two and a half years when his presence has been a clear hindrance? The 17 and 24 game goal droughts? 5 months without a PL goal? Sulking to the press, saying he didn't care if we win or lose?. Ironically the goal on your avatar came from him losing the ball in the dangerous area and nearly undoing 180 minutes of hardwork. Like i said it will take more than a few semi decent games to win me over after the shit he has served all his Chelsea career.

It's going to take more than a few games in two and a half years to convince me, what about Old Trafford when every time he touched the ball led to a United counter attack?

@, Also the law of average's were going to draw us with them at some point, we have only had them in cup's twice in the last 9 years, and one of them was a final.

ffs, either way i fancy our chances, especially with Jose record against them. That's assuming they even go through now.

Suarez is a top player, but i actually reckon Liverpool's system works better without him.

It's the same with Courtois, people think we should loan him to a mid table PL side to "adapt" to the league He is wanted by top clubs in the world and some want to loan him to the likes of Fulham because he isn't "PL proven"

He was, but Oscar is now, deal with it.

Please let us have Arsenal at home.

He was brought to score goals against high caliber opposition nearly every time he has faced them, so far he was scored once each against Barcelona (when all their players were almost in our penalty area), Arsenal, Man.Utd and Bayern. When you invest that highly in a player you expect goals against those teams pretty regularly.

This lad couldn't get a game at Yeovil and his having a dig at the club, oh dear.

Hummels and Luiz won't work, their too similar, Luiz and Subotic would be the perfect defensive partnership.

I just cannot understand this agenda against him in this country, i really can't. All through the second half the commentators kept talking about his reckless side and how he may be suited better out of defense at every fucking opportunity, it's not just them all of them do it, their paid to have an opinion but their all fucking sheep at the end of the day. Atleast 4 times they brought up the fact he was at fault for the Everton goal, yes he was, but so were other players, yet it's just Luiz. He's not perfect, ofcourse not, but it's just a tiresome cycle, he does an action that he could have done better in, within seconds its "well, its always been said that he would be more suited to midfield" and not one pundit or commentator has really earned their money by standing up and explaining why that's all a load of bollox, not even Gary Neville. Mat Hummels for example last season made some silly blunders (check Ronaldo's goal in Dortmund) but his name wasn't mentioned once in any form of critique. I have seen defenders make shocking mistake's that Luiz has never done, yet nothing a little 2 second mention that he should have done better than it's over. Take the game against Arsenal at The Emirates last season prime example, Luiz and Terry both back off Gervinho, yet who does Souness nail at half time? the second half Luiz and Ivan had a mix up, the commentator's words "mix up there by Ivanovic and especially Luiz", then when he got subbed in that second half because of an knock, the commentator was trying to make out he was faking it to hide embarrassment it's cringeworthy. Ofcourse the fact that Arsenal started peppering our goal as soon as he was subbed off was conveniently ignored. I remember in the confederation's cup, Lawrenson out of the blue brought up Luiz when he was suppose to be previewing Spain vs Uraguay Another time on MOTD (think it was after Wolves away under AVB) Hansen picked out Bosingwa and analysed how he is a liability (fair enough, that was long overdue) and backed his point up with on screen footage, but just before that he couldn't resist a little one liner against Luiz. The same way they over-reacted when Luiz fouled Ba and should have been sent off, yes because he's the first ever defender in the history of football to take a man down when he's through on goal isn't he? not. I can accept constructive criticism off our players, but with DL it's gone way beyond at, it's fucking assassination. I might even be able to shut up when they do that if they give him his credit when he has a good game, but even when he does, they still try and pick out odd moments to make it look otherwise. It's getting beyond even creepy now, they can't still be upset because he kicked the fuck out Rooney two and a half years ago, surely?

Glad to see he has finally accepted that he is going to have to fight for his place. It's like it always should have been, quite frankly.

This has to be the position we sort out next summer, maybe even a short term solution in January. Arsenal supposedly are going to step up their interest in Gundogan, if he goes to Arsenal and we don't as much as show an interest i will cry, he is one of those take teams to the next level players, he is that good.

Still not convinced it will be a title challenging one tho, they had Cesc, Nasri, Song, Arshavin (before he turned sour) and RVP and never got close.

That's true, but i think that's more to do with the midfield than defense, we need to find a way to get through their midfield and get at their back line. Because Dawson is like their Cahill (good squad player), Vertonghen isn't that good defensively, Kaboul is returning from a long term injury, Rose is suspect defensively and as for Walker? best not go there.

How i honestly see it? Mata will win games and cup's, Oscar will win titles. Im off to take shelter

Gundogan and Subotic, if only!!!!!

The highlighted bit is spot on. I do think however it's a bit early to judge our football this time round under Mou tho, i remember when Benitez came in their was concerns he would resort to his ultra cautious Liverpool style and stifle our flair players and as it turned out we were the opposite to that. Rafa's Liverpool were compact and tough to beat or even score past at times (when LFC were tactically spot under the Spaniard they were tough to create chances against let alone score past, as we found out on more than one occasion). Yet his Chelsea were the complete opposite, Although having said that if he had Schurrle available to him i don't think we would have seen the Mazacar all to often under Benitez either.