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How any of you can not put Torres as the motm is absolutely & categorically beyond me, he never had a prayer with the formation we played, yet he worked his absolute nuts off for 95 minutes. As with Benitez let's give credit when & where its due, he has taken so much stick from most on here including me at times so come on people let's all eat some 'humble pie' for Fernando!

What you're trying to interpret is like I said Jose had 0% power and control but I did not say this, so please don't make up things. I said, in order to succeed you must have full power and control (100%) of the transfers and targets. The world is not black or white, there are things in between. Not able to buy because the lack of money is one thing, but to have money to buy players and getting Djilobodji, Baba and Hector from Emenalo is another thing.
You're either a sheep that likes attention from the Emenalo cultists (your pic proves that), a Mourinho hater or a person with a very low IQ.
But your point to say the club spent 300M + on players suggests you're in the latest category too, so I suggest you should go back to school to learn the difference between gross spend and net spend, or maybe try to Google it.
But OK, I assume you're too lazy for that so I will explain it baby language for you:
The club spent (net) 52 millions in 5 windows. To compare: Arsenal 106M, City 178M, United 238M, Liverpool 99M.
So what does it say? It means in order to buy a player that manager wants, he has to sell another player for big value. But does it automatically mean that the manager didn't like the player that has to be sold? No, it means you have to choose between 2 valuable assets/options.
Nobody on here, can convince me or even themselves that Jose Mourinho didn't like David Luiz. Luiz played all the big games in midfield instead of Mikel, Oscar and Lampard in the second half of the 2013-14 season. So does it mean Jose didn't value him? No it means he had to sell him in order to buy other players that he wanted. Mata played more than Schurrle, KDB wanted to leave and Lukaku wanted a guarantee to be the first striker. He needed to sell these guys to get main targets like Diego, Cesc, Luis and Matic who won us the league.
But before you're going to say ''yeah but he clearly didn't like Mata, KDB, Luis and Lukaku, that's why the club sold them.'' I'd tell you, even if that was really the case that he didn't like them, and Jose had the 100% power and control of transfers, wouldn't he replace them with other Jose Mourinho type of players to add depth on the bench? Why aren't there any of Khedira, Higuain/Benteke, Sneijder, Callejon, Isco, Raul Garcia, Miranda, Luisao on our bench then?
But what is the reality? We still have the same bad quality depth, Mikel is still our first back up as CDM, Baba an unproven left back as our first back up. Djilobodji as our 4th center back, Ramires as our only box to box player, no top class striker to compete with Diego and Oscar as a starting player. And that's because the club was not 100% buying the players the manager wanted, and because they were reluctant to spend extra money.
Which big club in the world would sell your 2 times player of the year to a direct rival, in the middle of the season? Which big club waits 1 year long to get the ideal striker without getting a decent one now? Which big club has such bad bench options like ours? Which big club would ignore the pleads of the manager after winning the league? Which club would strengthen a direct rival with your club legend without strengthening yourself? Which club would be more busy with breaking records of players on loan rather than looking for quality for the first team? Which big club would get 0 first team additions after winning the league? Which club would get Djilobodji and Hector on deadline day to save your season? Which club would finish the deal of your only left footed left back option when the season is already 3 weeks old? Which big club uses a ''1 out first then 1 in'' transfer strategy? Which big club would be more busy with balancing the books than strengthening the squad?
The above piece summarizes the backing Jose got from the board and the ambition from the club. Yes Jose was not a victim that had 0% power and control but it was clear as day that he did not have 100% power and control. So please let your Cinderella stories rest that he was fully backed by the board in the 2,5 years here.
And no, this not an excuse for Mourinho to be sitting at 1 point above relegation. The club failed as a collective unit this season, including the players and Jose.

This isn't the 70s under Clough, or the 90s under Ferguson clubs don't operate like that anymore. It's laughable to think Mourinho, or any manager come to that is solely responsible for ins and outs nowadays.
A Mourinho player is, for me all about personality and desire. Look at the great sides he had here and at Inter and Porto and the top players who gave everything to win.
Not getting the ones he wanted in the Summer, the board or Abramovich getting rid of Cech...and then non-application from the remainder of the title winners for whatever reason brought out the Hitler in the bunker mentality.Hazard at Leicester, as an example, was the antithesis of what a Mourinho player is. Talent means little without application and hunger

Roman hasn't done halved bad though has he? 15 trophies in 12 seasons - the most successful club in England during that period tells you he must be doing something right! This in an era when ole bacon face was around for a decade, City won't have a manager of that calibre to deal with....
Think you're forgetting the club decided to go down a different route financially a few seasons back with the abject FFP frightening the shit out of the hierachy, hence the reason why we have so many players on loan to eventually sell to make a profit, I also think the success we enjoyed last season whilst making a profit in the transfer market (the first team in 10 seasons to do so) goes very much under the radar, Jose & the club should get more credit for that achievement.
However having said all that I concur with most of the message you are trying to get across, before you returned I've quoted a few members outlining where it started to go wrong this season - not kin Evagate but the lack of ambition the board showed in investing in the squad! Jose gave them a list in kin April, yes kin April & they ignored him, he then made it clear that if anybody wanted Cech he would take one of theirs to weaken their squad, he was pointing the finger at Oxlade-Chamberlain I do believe. So in the space of less than couple of months the board undermined him & left him with scraps that incidently some of the gutbucket players threw at him after feasting all summer!
City have got one thing over us & that I very much agree with you in that they have knowledgeable experienced people in their set up.
My friends & I have been discussing this experienced football link for a while, it was patently obvious the squad needed investment, someone with half of a football brain in a position of TD would be explaining this to Roman & I'm pretty sure Cech would not of gone to a rival either!
Yes the club have been very successful in the Roman era but my biggest worry now is that a whole generation of talented young players (arguably the best in Europe) could be lost if we don't appoint someone as manager that puts his faith in those young players, think this is partly why it is imperative that someone with bollocks who can tell Roman how it is who can also be that link & shoulder for the manager & provide a platform for our youth to make that next step.

Roman hasn't done halved bad though has he? 15 trophies in 12 seasons - the most successful club in England during that period tells you he must be doing something right! This in an era when ole bacon face was around for a decade, City won't have a manager of that calibre to deal with....
Think you're forgetting the club decided to go down a different route financially a few seasons back with the abject FFP frightening the shit out of the hierachy, hence the reason why we have so many players on loan to eventually sell to make a profit, I also think the success we enjoyed last season whilst making a profit in the transfer market (the first team in 10 seasons to do so) goes very much under the radar, Jose & the club should get more credit for that achievement.
However having said all that I concur with most of the message you are trying to get across, before you returned I've quoted a few members outlining where it started to go wrong this season - not kin Evagate but the lack of ambition the board showed in investing in the squad! Jose gave them a list in kin April, yes kin April & they ignored him, he then made it clear that if anybody wanted Cech he would take one of theirs to weaken their squad, he was pointing the finger at Oxlade-Chamberlain I do believe. So in the space of less than couple of months the board undermined him & left him with scraps that incidently some of the gutbucket players threw at him after feasting all summer!
City have got one thing over us & that I very much agree with you in that they have knowledgeable experienced people in their set up.
My friends & I have been discussing this experienced football link for a while, it was patently obvious the squad needed investment, someone with half of a football brain in a position of TD would be explaining this to Roman & I'm pretty sure Cech would not of gone to a rival either!
Yes the club have been very successful in the Roman era but my biggest worry now is that a whole generation of talented young players (arguably the best in Europe) could be lost if we don't appoint someone as manager that puts his faith in those young players, think this is partly why it is imperative that someone with bollocks who can tell Roman how it is who can also be that link & shoulder for the manager & provide a platform for our youth to make that next step.

No problem.
I don't actually know too much about his past coaching career, so I had to look it up.
Just about all of his time was spent at Mainz (5 years). He got them to 7th in the league for a Europa League spot, but hsi record was pretty patchy (good for Mainz though, I suppose). Schalke and Leverkusen both tried to get him. He asked to be released from his contract, spent a year away from coaching before going to Dortmund.
I find him interesting because he was hired by Dortmund without having managed a "big name" club. They took a chance on him, and it's worked out so far. For all of Bayern's dominance, Dortmund are 8 points behind them, and 6 points ahead of 3rd place.
I do think it's probably a bit pre-mature for him to be considered for the Chelsea job, I'm just wishing for something exciting and new.

Roman hasn't done halved bad though has he? 15 trophies in 12 seasons - the most successful club in England during that period tells you he must be doing something right! This in an era when ole bacon face was around for a decade, City won't have a manager of that calibre to deal with....
Think you're forgetting the club decided to go down a different route financially a few seasons back with the abject FFP frightening the shit out of the hierachy, hence the reason why we have so many players on loan to eventually sell to make a profit, I also think the success we enjoyed last season whilst making a profit in the transfer market (the first team in 10 seasons to do so) goes very much under the radar, Jose & the club should get more credit for that achievement.
However having said all that I concur with most of the message you are trying to get across, before you returned I've quoted a few members outlining where it started to go wrong this season - not kin Evagate but the lack of ambition the board showed in investing in the squad! Jose gave them a list in kin April, yes kin April & they ignored him, he then made it clear that if anybody wanted Cech he would take one of theirs to weaken their squad, he was pointing the finger at Oxlade-Chamberlain I do believe. So in the space of less than couple of months the board undermined him & left him with scraps that incidently some of the gutbucket players threw at him after feasting all summer!
City have got one thing over us & that I very much agree with you in that they have knowledgeable experienced people in their set up.
My friends & I have been discussing this experienced football link for a while, it was patently obvious the squad needed investment, someone with half of a football brain in a position of TD would be explaining this to Roman & I'm pretty sure Cech would not of gone to a rival either!
Yes the club have been very successful in the Roman era but my biggest worry now is that a whole generation of talented young players (arguably the best in Europe) could be lost if we don't appoint someone as manager that puts his faith in those young players, think this is partly why it is imperative that someone with bollocks who can tell Roman how it is who can also be that link & shoulder for the manager & provide a platform for our youth to make that next step.

Roman hasn't done halved bad though has he? 15 trophies in 12 seasons - the most successful club in England during that period tells you he must be doing something right! This in an era when ole bacon face was around for a decade, City won't have a manager of that calibre to deal with....
Think you're forgetting the club decided to go down a different route financially a few seasons back with the abject FFP frightening the shit out of the hierachy, hence the reason why we have so many players on loan to eventually sell to make a profit, I also think the success we enjoyed last season whilst making a profit in the transfer market (the first team in 10 seasons to do so) goes very much under the radar, Jose & the club should get more credit for that achievement.
However having said all that I concur with most of the message you are trying to get across, before you returned I've quoted a few members outlining where it started to go wrong this season - not kin Evagate but the lack of ambition the board showed in investing in the squad! Jose gave them a list in kin April, yes kin April & they ignored him, he then made it clear that if anybody wanted Cech he would take one of theirs to weaken their squad, he was pointing the finger at Oxlade-Chamberlain I do believe. So in the space of less than couple of months the board undermined him & left him with scraps that incidently some of the gutbucket players threw at him after feasting all summer!
City have got one thing over us & that I very much agree with you in that they have knowledgeable experienced people in their set up.
My friends & I have been discussing this experienced football link for a while, it was patently obvious the squad needed investment, someone with half of a football brain in a position of TD would be explaining this to Roman & I'm pretty sure Cech would not of gone to a rival either!
Yes the club have been very successful in the Roman era but my biggest worry now is that a whole generation of talented young players (arguably the best in Europe) could be lost if we don't appoint someone as manager that puts his faith in those young players, think this is partly why it is imperative that someone with bollocks who can tell Roman how it is who can also be that link & shoulder for the manager & provide a platform for our youth to make that next step.

I've heard of Bielsa, don't they call him 'the mad one' or something of that description, lol!
I'm surprised there's little or no weight being put behind Pochettino, maybe its just me putting to much emphasis on our talented youth....
Not sure no experience in Europe matters, José made the transition very easily at Porto.

JT was the best defender in the league last season, unfortunately he's being found out because he hasn't the protection infront of him as Matic has been largely poor & also covering too much ground trying to cover Fabs arse! I maybe wrong but I don't see JT as a starter next season, would be good to have him around as player coach or involved in some description.
I believe our midfield needs major surgery & legs! Yes there are problems at the back but if we kept the ball more often instead of giving it away after 2 passes then we wouldn't be under so much pressure, it nay not of been the right time to play the highline under AVB but I want us to play further up the pitch, we are far too deep!
Not heard of Tuchel, Poch already has the experience of the Prem league so he'd be my outstanding choice but obviously I'm open to suggestions.

I second that emotion. What has he done in football? Jose has made mistakes, but so did Stein, Clough, Shankly, Busby, Ferguson, Wenger. The players are a disgrace and I hope they get fucking dogs abuse on Saturday. May not help the performance we badly need but some of these players need to pay for what their actions have achieved and I hope very, very many of them get fucked off out of it on January 1st. The club HAS to be bigger than any player. Regardless of consequences.

1) The next manager HAS to bring in youth. Season or two from now, Loftus-Cheek, Baker, Solanke and maybe few others have to be regulars in the team. I don't care if it costs us titles or the CL. A football club has bring up youth, otherwise the whole existence of the team just feels, dare I say it, a bit plasticky.
And it's not like the club doesn't have immense potential in the youth and on loan. All we need is a manager who has the balls to utilise them. Mourinho wasn't man enough to do that.
2) The manager who comes in (not the temporary one) should have trust of the board and the time to implement the tactics. At least two season IMO. If the new manager(s) are under constant pressure to win every single game, we'll play medieval hoofball for the next decade in search of those 1-0 wins.
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All the club needs to now is someone who can make a positive impact on the team so that Chelsea doesn't end up in Championship. CL is gone already, so the plan should be getting ready for next season. Bringing up some youth or loan players in the process might not be a bad idea, and maybe they could add something to the team.
Why didn't Kenedy play more? He clearly had the will to play 100%, every game, everyday. I'd make him a regular in the team, who knows how that might end up. Mourinho wasn't interested in these kind of experiments. He promised RLC run of games but gave him 45 minutes and then the lad disappeared. Who knows what might have happened if Kenedy and RLC played most of the games, I have hard time believing that the results would be any worse than what they are now.

Empathise with him more than any other manager we've had. He really did care and it's a shame the fairytale couldn't go on. Wonder how he bounces back

And it's mostly the players fault, who have decided game after game not to turn up, apart from Willian.

So registered to vent. Got a thousand thoughts swirling around my head but in all honesty I'm devastated.
Firstly, whilst it was nice to see the club back him for so long they should've done more earlier. In May we were champions. The day after we needed to start improving the squad and the stark truth is that we didn't. You HAVE to improve when you win the league. You NEED at least two world class players, probably three to just regain the title without even thinking about Europe. The club failed Jose in that regard but he didn't once mention this or criticise any of Marina, Michael or Roman. Then they sold Cech against his wishes and bring in Djilobodji on transfer deadline day. Man City's owners backed a manager they want to replace in the summer - we can't back the one manager every single fan of this club loved.
That to me is on the club and why we're in this position.
But Jose also failed to adapt and that is on him. He was too loyal to some players and he was too volatile at times, starting with the first game of the season. But the guy has had a tough year personally and for that (and the title) he deserves a bit of leeway.
Honestly, there's so much that's occurred this year that it's tough to put down into coherent sentences but I honestly worry about where this club is heading, what the atmosphere will be like going forward and who the club actually thinks it is now. I've never felt such a disconnect with the club itself (i.e. the board, the owner, the custodians) as I do right now. Jose wasn't bigger than Chelsea, but he was a massive part of it's identity for the last decade even when Carlo or anyone else was in charge. Guus would be one of the few palatable choices out there but even then, what's he supposed to do? The midfield is Swiss cheese at times, the defence simply isn't good enough and Costa isn't the striker he was last season.
Jose was right when he said that he'd been betrayed, but by everyone except the fans. He'd said some things that upset me last year but we've grown closer (in my opinion) in adversity this year than maybe ever before. That will have massive ramifications I think going forward and the fans (in this case the CPO) have a massive voice right now.
Actually I can concisely put down my thoughts after all - fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck.

I think its a good decision. People dont exist in vacuum, they respond to their environment. Mourinho have always seemed to me like a person who will not change or adapt to anything but himself. This is why he is unable to stay in one club for too long, eventually he runs out of backers. I for one am tired of all the controversy, I want an adult as coach, and someone who is less rigid. Jose is freaking Stannis Baratheon.

The players have a lot of blame here, they have played horribly at times. It might be a combination of their ambition disappearing due to last seasons success, but also no doubt many of them lack loyalty to the manager. It doesnt matter who the manager is, but when you dont have the backing of your team, you are done.

There is a lot of talent in the squad, we just need a way to activate it. I am not too thrilled with Hiddink for now, but it is understandable as we will not get a top candidate in the middle of the season. There are some fun names in the summer though; Guardiola, Conte and De Boer are all talented managers who could do quite some work here.

True, but José isn't in the position to string more than 2 passes together or put the ball in the back of the net. If he was however, you can bet your bollocks he'd try, which is more than can be said for the majority of our squad currently.

I'm not surprised. It was coming. But I'm saddened by it still. This won't solve anything and if the players start playing well then they're cunts and i want them gone. He's one of us. He was not solely to blame and he was not the main problem. He's still the best manager and the world and this is gonna come back to bite us in the ass.

This is different to when he went last time. We had a spine, leaders on the pitch to carry on and to make the next managers look good.
Now we will be at Liverpools level for the foreseeable, average.
Not a fan of Guadiola, but only he could get consistent winning form.
Abramovich, Buck you can stick your Ramos, Rodgers up your arse

Well now he's sacked I guess most of the forum will be happy - they've got what they want so my dissapointment shouldn't offend anyone.
He was not the main problem.
The problem is the bunch of pussy players we have.
Sure Mourinho had his favourites. Ivanovic should have been dropped by match 3. Cesc soon after. His role with Eva made things toxic and he didn't seem to be able to handle the pressure.
But my gosh, the finger has to be pointed at the players. 'Mourinho can't coach attacking football' I hear people moan. Does that mean he coaches them to forget how to string 3 passes together? Hazards been crap. Oh there's an excuse for that. 'It's Mourinho always making him defend!' Yeh, nothing to do with the gut he came back with.
I don't think Jose can be shocked - 9 defeats in 16 is terrible. Good managers have gone for less. But now he's gone, I'm not full of optimism. Its a lose lose situation. The players are so weak minded they play liss poor and nothing changes or they suddenly become good again. Either we have poor players or moaning teenagers who deliberately got the manager fired and put the club in a relegation fight to boot.
Either way, the majority should be gone.

Well, fuck off and celebrate then. You know who you are, fuck off down the pub and have a few pints
I can't believe the club have sacked him. Players' fault, if they suddenly play brilliantly on saturday I'll certainly make my feelings heard

Joke. Watch the circus now, theyll probably apoint Stamford the Lion.

Congratulations Chelsea FC, you just gave a bunch of overrated players eternal protection, they might as well score own goals if they don't like the coach next time

Well then Mourinho is sacked. I don't think any of us can be truly surprised and not many can argue that there weren't ample reasons to sack him, even if they would argue that we should have kept him.
1 thing I would say though, those of you that hounded him out, that insulted him and demanded him be sacked; you reap what you sow. Remember this 1/2/5/10 years down the line that you may never ever complain about Chelsea sacking managers early or about the lack of long term managerial stability. I'm not saying you were wrong, but just remember is all I say.
The last few months have been painful to say the least but I wish to extend my heartfelt gratitude towards Jose for bringing us yet another title to go with the 2 he brought us in his first spell. That double last year has ensured that his second spell here should (and will be by the vast majority of Chelsea fans) be viewed as a success.
My final thought is for the players. I hope you're all happy now. Mourinho wasn't perfect tactically, or with his siege mentality, but even if we'd had my grandma in charge this season I would still be embarrassed to have played as poorly as they have done this season (barring very few exceptions) and you all ought to be ashamed because you're not coming out of this well whatever happens. If you all start playing brilliantly now then you obviously were not trying for Mourinho, which is unacceptable when the man just led you all to a double and protected you all the whole damn time when you cocked up. If you all carry on playing terribly then you're obviously just not bothered about the club and can, quite frankly, fuck off.

Dont worry mate, there are more supporters for Mourinho outside of this little forum, that is what matters in the end. Second observation I've made is that there are a lot of similar faces who are always for sacking a manager or slating them. Same faces who want Ancelotti in for Mourinho were the same people calling for his head after one trophyless season.