Rumoured Luke Shaw

[Muzchap 8,966]

Shaw or Baines?

Both appeal to me....

[The Skipper 20,593]

Shaw or Baines?

Both appeal to me....

Shaw because Baines is 29 later this year.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Shaw or Baines?

Both appeal to me....

Shaw is a lot younger than Baines so I would say Shaw

[Muzchap 8,966]

Shaw because Baines is 29 later this year.

if you're good enough you're old enough is used for kids, but the same applies for older players.

Baines has at least 4-5 TOP CLASS years in him yet... Most contracts are 3-4 years

So remove age - is Shaw better than Baines?

[Muzchap 8,966]

Shaw is a lot younger than Baines so I would say Shaw

Take age out of the equation - we are talking about building a squad to win the EPL next season...

You got 1 pick... Baines or Shaw - age doesn't matter in this hypothetical sense...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

With Southampton staying up, I very much doubt Shaw would be leaving this summer. Staying there is clearly the best option for him, imo. He gets another full season in the PL instead of rotting on some bench.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Take age out of the equation - we are talking about building a squad to win the EPL next season...

You got 1 pick... Baines or Shaw - age doesn't matter in this hypothetical sense...

In that sense, neither. I'd just play Cole.

[Muzchap 8,966]

In that sense, neither. I'd just play Cole.

I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LB

[Magic Lamps 11,450]

^ absolutely. Also think that Bertrand could do with a loan so we can assess PVA as the understudy to Cole.

Bertrand has played 150 games on loan, lack of experience is not his problem. Why take a player out who is already a part of the squad and replace him with s.o. who is not?

[Waterfall 893]

You cannot NOT take age into consideration when signing players. Elite prospect who's a legit PL starter at age of 17 is an easy choice over a 28 y/o especially when the position's not even our priority.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LB

Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed.

[Waterfall 893]

By the way, if we sign him this summer, I believe he can still qualify as club-trained because he's still 17. I'd say it's pretty significant considering the number of foreign players we keep buying. That's why I wouldn't mind Rooney and Shaw. We got some good English talents in our academy, but could still definitely use more English signings.

[English Freak 456]

I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LB

if Baines was to leave Everton...he'd probably follow Moyes to United.

And anyway, LB isn't that big an issue...if Cole does leave in 2014, give Bertrand a full season as our LB, see how he copes, then make a decision...

[Miguelito 459]

Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed.

I'm in agreement with you that our fullbacks should be sound defensively and they certainly are. But united won the league with for me, two not good defenders at outside back. I thought evra was just really bad this year defensively, seemed only to care about getting forward. And Rafael for me was great the first half of the year but after that wasn't near as good.

So I do think you can win the league with fullbacks who aren't great defensively but I'm happy we have defenders who are

[blu35_army 550]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aD10lIvMk

Faster,,more confident,,likely to cross. i'll say yes for this Kids,,can he turn to Winger just like Bale did???

[TrippingStep 336]

Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed.

You look at the champion's league final this year, at the Ancelotti team that won the champion's league and they have "modern" fullbacks but you must have a good midfield, covering system, lots of practice for the timing of their runs, build-up play to open up the space for them.

[Toli 977]

in my opinion people rate bertrant here too high. he hasnt impressed me in all of his games. offensively he is really bad, defensively he is ok, but nothing more. he is a good back-up but nowhere near starting-material. he needs a lot to improve.

[lucio 5,395]

i dont see the logic in loaning shaw but having bertrand stay when shaw offers so much more than bertrand ever will.