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10. Eden Hazard

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On 2/12/2018 at 10:00 PM, Barbara said:


Honestly, the match fans never showed him the live he deserves. He doesn't have a standout chant, he's rarely praised during the matches by the crowd.
It's a rare case of Internet fans being more supportive than match going fans.
I know he's laid back, but I really think he was never given the love he deserves.


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Well, I understand your point and agree to an extent. That said, when Eden is subbed on or off, for example, he gets a bigger ovation than anyone else. I don't think he can be in any doubt of the affection the stadium has for him.

It's a fact however that the sustainability of a chant has a lot to do with how often, and how persistently it is sung. The song sung most often, and most loudly, at The Bridge is the one which sustains the best: -

#Antonio, Antonio, Antonio Antonio Antonio# sings on a perfect loop. Its end scans seamlessly back into its start. Eden's song, by contrast does not repeat quite so well.

There was a great example of this 'sustainability' phenomenon on Monday night. The day we signed Gianfranco Zola, I envisioned a chant for him to the tune of Lola by The Kinks. I'm not the sort of personality that gets chants started however so I was delighted when the same chant I had in mind (more or less) broke out at The Bridge. That version of it is not, if I say so myself, as good as the way I had worked it out and did not sustain. It was often chanted but usually petered out. In was not until the following chant was taken up that the great man's name reverberated the way it deserved to. : -

When Franco, Luca and Tore-Andre Flo paraded around the pitch at half time on Monday, it was this song which rung out most loudly. There is no doubt that Franco is one of the best loved Chelsea players ever, but there is also no doubt in my mind that his chant was sung most on Monday because it's the best song.

I'd have preferred the following for Eden. I think it would have rocked stadiums around the country. (Phonetically) : -

Aden Azar

(Clap, Clap, Clap)

Aden Azar

(Clap,clap,clap)

Aden Azar Zar Zar Zar Zar

Aden Azar

(Clap, clap, clap)

Ooo-Ooo Ooo-Ooo

Aden Azar....

 

Sung to the chorus of: -

It sustains beautifully and then there would be no doubt possible about our love for the magical Belgian.

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On 2/12/2018 at 10:04 PM, MrExcalibur100 said:

That's not true to be honest. You live in Brazil so you don't really know what you're talking about. Here in the UK and with match going fans and fans hanging around pubs near the Bridge watching the game, Hazard is easily the most loved player. Just because he doesn't have a song doesn't mean much (and he should, that's absolutely ridiculous) lol. Even Drogba didn't necessarily have a song but Willian does. Has nothing to do with loving a player.

I don't agree with the, "You live in Brazil so you don't really know what you're talking about (as regards in Stadium chants)" bit. I don't agree because the volume of appreciation for a player registers on TV and that's what @Barbara is talking about.

You are right that stadium chanting is more influenced by quality of song, than it is by depth of love for the object of that song. You are wrong however to claim that Eden does not have a song; he does. It's just not very good, but perhaps that's what you meant to say.

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Well, I understand your point and agree to an extent. When Eden is subbed on or off he gets a bigger ovation than anyone else. I don't think he can be in any doubt of the affection the stadium has for him.
It's a fact however that the sustainability of a chant has a lot to do with how often, and how persistently it is sung. The song sung most often, and most loudly, at The Bridge is the one which sustains the best: -
#Antonio, Antonio, Antonio Antonio Antonio# sings on a perfect loop. Its end scans seamlessly back into its start. Eden's song, by contrast does not repeat quite so well.
There was a great example of this 'sustainability' phenomenon on Monday night. The day we signed Gianfranco Zola, I envisioned a chant for him to the tune of Lola by The Kinks. I'm not the sort of personality that gets chants started however so I was delighted when the same chant I had in mind (more or less) broke out at The Bridge. That version of it is not, if I say so myself, as good as the way I had worked it out and did not sustain. It was often chanted but usually petered out. In was not until the following chant was taken up that the great man's name reverberated the way it deserved to. : -
[/url] When Franco, Luca and Tore-Andre Flo paraded around the pitch at half time on Monday, it was this song which rung out most loudly. There is no doubt that Franco is one of the best loved Chelsea players ever, but there is also no doubt in my mind that his chant was sung most on Monday because it's the best song.
I'd have preferred the following for Eden. I think it would have rocked stadiums around the country. (Phonetically) : -
Aden Azar
(Clap, Clap, Clap)
Aden Azar
(Clap,clap,clap)
Aden Azar Zar Zar Zar Zar
Aden Azar
(Clap, clap, clap)
Ooo-Ooo Ooo-Ooo
Aden Azar....
 
Naturally to the tune of: -
 
Thanks for the amazing insight. I saw The ex-players parading during HT and heard the song, although I couldn't make it out
Idk, I just feel that another team would probably have a whole different level of adoration for Eden.
Also, the real Madrid 'threat' hasn't been there from day one. At least for his first two years it wasn't there. He had a stellar start for us, but somehow it *feels* like the crowd never engaged itself that hard for him.
I notice the ovation he gets when he's subbed, but seeing his talent, quality and years he's been here I expected more...

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On 2/12/2018 at 10:00 PM, Barbara said:

It's a rare case of Internet fans being more supportive than match going fans.

Some of your recent comments have been utterly bizarre. Your making assumptions by what you hear or don't hear on TV of Hazard's popularity is just plain stupid (I wouldn't normally call a women stupid but you hate political correctness so presumably it won't bother you). At Stamford Bridge it's hard to get chants going because the place is full of day trippers and tourists who just sit there taking photos on their phones. Go to any pub on matchday especially away games and there's plenty of support for Hazard. The problem at home games is it's virtually impossible to get match tickets for groups of mates like you could in the old days ergo 4 mates in the pub singing will probably be sitting in four different stands.

Internet fans being more supportive than match going fans probably sums up the state of modern football. If I started watching a Brazilian team and they were getting booed by the home fans do you think they could  say ''oh well no problem the people who watch us every week think we are wankers but at least we are popular on the internet''.

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On 2/14/2018 at 6:08 AM, OhForAGreavsie said:

Doesn't affect me one little bit. He's shown great loyalty to this team especially since we appear, temporarily I hope, not to be trying to fulfil his expectations. Remember he came here because, he said, he wanted to win The Champions League. We're a long way from having a squad with a realistic chance in that competition. I think Eden has respected our club and deserves huge, and unreserved, acclaim from Chelsea fans.

Fair enough, but we are working here on the possibility, or rather likelihood that he will leave in the summer (presumably to real). 

Of course I speak for myself, but it would be difficult for me to think of him as a Chelsea legend if he plays 4-5 years at real or another big club. It just dilutes his status for me.

btw, I think the whole key player thing is a logical fallacy. Clubs can afford a certain number of key players and pay really well for them. Whether they can attract them or not is a diff story, but Liverpool proved that it is possible to replace them even if relying on luck sometimes.

the fallacy that fans do, is to always compare the key player, on super high wages, to regular players on regular wages. The logic shouldn’t be, "had he not been here," but rather, "had another key player, on similar wages, been here instead..."

interesting summer...

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Hazard has admitted he is happy at Chelsea, for now.

When asked about a potential move he told Telefoot: “In football anything can happen. But in football nothing can happen too.

“Every year they talk about Real or PSG. And when I want to change clubs, I will. But at the moment I’m good where I am.

“I still have two year left on my contract. I feel very good over here.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/chelsea-star-hazard-drops-hint-over-possible-real-madrid-switch

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16 minutes ago, the wes said:

Hazard has admitted he is happy at Chelsea, for now.

When asked about a potential move he told Telefoot: “In football anything can happen. But in football nothing can happen too.

“Every year they talk about Real or PSG. And when I want to change clubs, I will. But at the moment I’m good where I am.

“I still have two year left on my contract. I feel very good over here.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/chelsea-star-hazard-drops-hint-over-possible-real-madrid-switch

There's always either "we'll see", "for now" or "at the moment" when Hazard talks about his future. If he intends to go, he should just say so. <_<

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

There's always either "we'll see", "for now" or "at the moment" when Hazard talks about his future. If he intends to go, he should just say so. <_<

It would be very foolish of him to say that now when the season is still on-going. Imagine the repercussions of such a statement. Hence why he is saying what he is saying, respecting his current employer but at the same time leaving his future open, which is sensible. It's a standard PR answer.

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19 minutes ago, manpe said:

It would be very foolish of him to say that now when the season is still on-going. Imagine the repercussions of such a statement. Hence why he is saying what he is saying, respecting his current employer but at the same time leaving his future open, which is sensible. It's a standard PR answer.

Agree but doesn't it also unsettles the club, the team when your main player is thinking about leaving? It all feels so contradicting.

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

Agree but doesn't it also unsettles the club, the team when your main player is thinking about leaving? It all feels so contradicting.

It would unsettle A LOT more if he came out right now and said he wanted to leave indicating his head's not in it anymore, don't you think? Not to mention the media shitstorm that would ensue, we would be completely unable to concentrate on the task in hand (finishing top 4). Also the way he's been playing shows that he's fully committed, so I don't think those rumours unsettle the squad at all. If he was a random benchie with barely 100 mins of game time it wouldn't be so bad, questions would still be asked though and our "crisis" would be magnified, but a key player like Hazard coming out and downing tools would send everything into chaos.

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There was this one play where he demonstrated immense strength by holding onto the ball and turning while being pulled and hassled by a bigger Barca player, to then play a perfect through ball to Willian to kickstart a very dangerous counter that Willi wasted. In the first half he also broke into the box dribbling through two players and giving 2 dangerous balls in quick succession. He did all he could in a game like this and in a system where he was supposed to be a decoy and the instigator.

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18 minutes ago, manpe said:

There was this one play where he demonstrated immense strength by holding onto the ball and turning while being pulled and hassled by a bigger Barca player, to then play a perfect through ball to Willian to kickstart a very dangerous counter that Willi wasted. In the first half he also broke into the box dribbling through two players and giving 2 dangerous balls in quick succession. He did all he could in a game like this and in a system where he was supposed to be a decoy and the instigator.

that just shows how smart Conte was with his tactics, thankfully it paid off in the end, caught all of us by surprise how well it worked, and on another day we would have won this game by 2 goals, this result just reflects how tight our encounters with Barca have been these past years, no other team has come close, only Atletico comes to my mind, it all comes down to tiny details in the Champions League.

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2 minutes ago, manpe said:

Nah man, on a perfect day we would have won by 3. A hattrick by Willian and no mistake from Christensen.

an even better scenario :) we were just unlucky, and yet many other fans acuse us of parking the bus lmao what a joke.

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11 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

an even better scenario :) we were just unlucky, and yet many other fans acuse us of parking the bus lmao what a joke.

They have no idea what parking the bus really means, they just feel cool using an overused buzzword.

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