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Our managerial situation only proves more that it was a mistake to sack Boas.

Let's just ignore that whole Munich thing.

Yes, he was inexperienced and 6 months later he is not anymore? AVB hasn't changed, he just have, at Spurs, players that are willing to give 100% and not waste time when the team is losing like Frank and Cole did like against Everton and WBA.

I'm finding it hard to adequately convey what it's like for a human being to try a new role in a new environment for the first time. When we struggle, we are capable of learning from these experiences and not repeating them down the line (yes, even six months down the line).

And do you think Rafa was expected by the board to win the league?! The expectations both here and at Spurs were to finish in the top four this season.

The expectations at the start of the season were to win the league and defend the CL. To try and say that Spurs's expectations are the same as our's is either disingenuous or naive and you're not the latter.

Thanks to AVB. If his team is doing well when others are under performing, then he is currently doing a better job than Mancini, Benitez and Wenger.

Sure. And at least two of those will be sacked at the end of the season. In fact all three could finish above AVB and still be sacked - he's there next season if he finishes 5th.

I'm not ignoring what happened here last year, just saying that it was not all AVB's fault and that he could have done well here if the players didn't selfishly put their interest ahead of the team's and actually tried to give 100%.

And why on earth would he accept to come back here?!

He had a team capable of winning the Champions League and failed to manage them adequtely. That isn't just the JTs and Franks of the squad, but the Lukakus and McEachrans. Look at how he wasted a whole year of Josh's career because he said he would use him and then let him rot - now look at how he's developing.

But I'll give him credit for spotting Lukaku's talent for playing on the right-wing

Hiring someone like AVB was the right move. But he wasn't ready and he fucked up - sacking him was the right decision and it led DIRECTLY to the greatest night in this club's history.

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Our managerial situation only proves more that it was a mistake to sack Boas.

Yes, he was inexperienced and 6 months later he is not anymore? AVB hasn't changed, he just have, at Spurs, players that are willing to give 100% and not waste time when the team is losing like Frank and Cole did like against Everton and WBA.

And do you think Rafa was expected by the board to win the league?! The expectations both here and at Spurs were to finish in the top four this season.

Thanks to AVB. If his team is doing well when others are under performing, then he is currently doing a better job than Mancini, Benitez and Wenger.

I'm not ignoring what happened here last year, just saying that it was not all AVB's fault and that he could have done well here if the players didn't selfishly put their interest ahead of the team's and actually tried to give 100%.

And why on earth would he accept to come back here?!

he might if he is a complete fucking idiot

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Let's just ignore that whole Munich thing.

I'll take long term success over short-term gain any day of the week. Our season is ruined yet again because we had to fire the manager. What more proof do you want that we need more than anything, even more than winning a CL, is managerial stability. AVB could and should have been the solution if Lampard and co didn't try to sabotage their own team to get him fired.

I'm finding it hard to adequately convey what it's like for a human being to try a new role in a new environment for the first time. When we struggle, we are capable of learning from these experiences and not repeating them down the line (yes, even six months down the line).

Fine. Let's change the question: What did AVB do differently at Tottenham.

The expectations at the start of the season were to win the league and defend the CL. To try and say that Spurs's expectations are the same as our's is either disingenuous or naive and you're not the latter.

Fine, let's say that we were expected to win the league and CL despite that being as unlikely as Spurs winning them. That doesn't make RDM under more pressure than AVB. The former had just won two cups and was backed by everyone while the latter had been slatted on a daily basis for a few month and had been written off from the first day he took the spurs job.

Sure. And at least two of those will be sacked at the end of the season. In fact all three could finish above AVB and still be sacked - he's there next season if he finishes 5th.

I highly doubt that. If Boas doesn't get a CL spot, he'll have the same fate as Harry.

He had a team capable of winning the Champions League and failed to manage them adequtely. That isn't just the JTs and Franks of the squad, but the Lukakus and McEachrans. Look at how he wasted a whole year of Josh's career because he said he would use him and then let him rot - now look at how he's developing. But I'll give him credit for spotting Lukaku's talent for playing on the right-wing

But that is the whole point. AVB is not responsible for some players refusing to play and intentionally not performing to get him sacked just so they don't get replaced.

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I'll take long term success over short-term gain any day of the week. Our season is ruined yet again because we had to fire the manager. What more proof do you want that we need more than anything, even more than winning a CL, is managerial stability. AVB could and should have been the solution if Lampard and co didn't try to sabotage their own team to get him fired.

I've said before that the CL win papered over cracks, but I wouldn't take a single thing over that moment in Munich. Seeing people I love experience something they never thought they'd see when they were fearing for the future of this club a few decades ago.....

You can blame Lamps all you want but ANYONE who has any experience of a job or a boss knows that there are two people in an employer/employee relationship and AVB handled things wrong.

But that's what young, inexperienced people do. What separates the winners from the losers is how they recover from those mistakes in the future. He may well benefit in the long-term from acknowledging his errors.

Fine. Let's change the question: What did AVB do differently at Tottenham.

He's working with a different calibre of player in a different environment. But on the field he's abandoned the reckless high line for a more measured version.

The thing is that you ask what he's done different - what's the difference between this season and last season under Harry? Isn't it like one point?

Fine, let's say that we were expected to win the league and CL despite that being as unlikely as Spurs winning them. That doesn't make RDM under more pressure than AVB. The former had just won two cups and was backed by everyone while the latter had been slatted on a daily basis for a few month and had been written off from the first day he took the spurs job.

It isn't as unlikely as Spurs winning them in the slightest. RDM wasn't backed by everyone either - Roman wanted Pep and was almost certainly going to take a run at him this summer.

I highly doubt that. If Boas doesn't get a CL spot, he'll have the same fate as Harry.

We'll see.

But that is the whole point. AVB is not responsible for some players refusing to play and intentionally not performing to get him sacked just so they don't get replaced.

That's slanderous bollocks to throw at some of the players who have served this club well. I may have issues about Lamps's suitability for a role at this club next season but what you're saying is going beyond that.

Regardless, he is responsible. He'd say the same thing if he was honest because he's the first-team coach. Giving him a free pass on some of the responsibilities that the title 'manager' entails is pointless.

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Our managerial situation only proves more that it was a mistake to sack Boas.

Yes, he was inexperienced and 6 months later he is not anymore? AVB hasn't changed, he just have, at Spurs, players that are willing to give 100% and not waste time when the team is losing like Frank and Cole did like against Everton and WBA.

Curious. Are you suggesting that AVB did not learn from his experience here in terms of what he did wrong?

For us, Swansea and westham are tough too.

Hence why I said 'on paper'! And those two are home matches that I would like to think we will win those. We just have to if we want to finish in the Top 4!

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I've said before that the CL win papered over cracks, but I wouldn't take a single thing over that moment in Munich. Seeing people I love experience something they never thought they'd see when they were fearing for the future of this club a few decades ago..... You can blame Lamps all you want but ANYONE who has any experience of a job or a boss knows that there are two people in an employer/employee relationship and AVB handled things wrong. But that's what young, inexperienced people do. What separates the winners from the losers is how they recover from those mistakes in the future. He may well benefit in the long-term from acknowledging his errors.

Well that's your choice and opinion, but because we opted for that short-term gain instead of managerial stability, we won't be challenging for the CL for at least a few seasons. As for Frank, you can twist it all you want, but at the end of the day, if you are a professional who is being paid 150k/wk, the least you could do is give 100% and try your best to make the manager's plans work because that is his job. And if he thinks you should be on the bench then you shut your mouth and sit there and try to change his mind in training. But if you fail to do that and conspire to get the manager fired and compromise the team's whole season just to get more playing time then you are just being an extremely selfish cunt.

He's working with a different calibre of player in a different environment. But on the field he's abandoned the reckless high line for a more measured version. The thing is that you ask what he's done different - what's the difference between this season and last season under Harry? Isn't it like one point?

AVB had been using this "modified" high-line 3 months before he was sacked, specifically from the City home game. "Different caliber" is just another way of saying that Spurs players are actual professionals and not just a bunch of spoiled millionaires.

Harry's system was completely different, not to mention he had better squad with Modric and VDV.

It isn't as unlikely as Spurs winning them in the slightest. RDM wasn't backed by everyone either - Roman wanted Pep and was almost certainly going to take a run at him this summer.

Again. This only highlights the fact that we need a long-time managerial solution more than anything.

That's slanderous bollocks to throw at some of the players who have served this club well. I may have issues about Lamps's suitability for a role at this club next season but what you're saying is going beyond that.

Go back and watch our matches against Everton and WBA and you'll see Cole and Frank clearly time-wasting when the team was losing. I can never think of either of them the same after that.

Regardless, he is responsible. He'd say the same thing if he was honest because he's the first-team coach. Giving him a free pass on some of the responsibilities that the title 'manager' entails is pointless.

I am not saying he is blameless. In fact I'll be the first to criticize his high-line and lack of trust in youth players. But that does not justify how some players acted last season. They are the ones that let the team and fans down.

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Curious. Are you suggesting that AVB did not learn from his experience here in terms of what he did wrong?

He showed that he was learning while he was still here and the fact that he modified his high-line, which was a big part of his philosophy, is the biggest evidence. I'm just saying that it's laughable to think that he could turn from Grant to Ferguson in 6 months and that the whole "bad man-management skills" issue was just media bullshit.

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He showed that he was learning while he was still here and the fact that he modified his high-line, which was a big part of his philosophy, is the biggest evidence. I'm just saying that it's laughable to think that he could turn from Grant to Ferguson in 6 months and that the whole "bad man-management skills" issue was just media bullshit.

I wouldn't say the 'whole bad man-management skills' was just a media BS. Think he did have some problems with managing the squad just probably not as bad as the media made it out to be.

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I wouldn't say the 'whole bad man-management skills' was just a media BS. Think he did have some problems with managing the squad just probably not as bad as the media made it out to be.

If tomorrow I go to work but refuse to put in any effort because my boss didn't give me the promotion I want and I start trying to sabotage the company, shockingly, I will be the one to get fired and not my boss for having bad man-management skills..

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If tomorrow I go to work but refuse to put in any effort because my boss didn't give me the promotion I want and I start trying to sabotage the company, shockingly, I will be the one to get fired and not my boss for having bad man-management skills..

How is not giving promotion there considered as a bad man-management skills?

Can't understand why people seem so reluctant to admit that AVB made mistakes with his management skills here. Not all the problems we had last season were down to him but people just seem so keen to blame everything on the players. AVB played a part in us experiencing the problems we had. Otherwise, it wouldn't have escalate till the point it was then.

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Our managerial situation only proves more that it was a mistake to sack Boas.

I agree with most parts, but to be honest, our managerial situation has nothing to do with AVB. It has to do with the insane persue of Pep and the stupid sacking of RDM...

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How is not giving promotion there considered as a bad man-management skills?

I don't know. How is choosing who starts and who doesn't considered bad man-management skills.

Can't understand why people seem so reluctant to admit that AVB made mistakes with his management skills here. Not all the problems we had last season were down to him but people just seem so keen to blame everything on the players. AVB played a part in us experiencing the problems we had. Otherwise, it wouldn't have escalate till the point it was then.

Of course he made mistakes and was partly responsible for the club's position, but choosing what he thought was the best team and playing people based on their skills not names were not part of those mistakes, in my opinion, at least. If some multimillionaires threw a tantrum for not getting what they want and tried to undermine his work, that is not his fault.

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I agree with most parts, but to be honest, our managerial situation has nothing to do with AVB. It has to do with the insane persue of Pep and the stupid sacking of RDM...

Exactly. We wouldn't have done either of those things had some players not gotten AVB fired because Roman believed his project and philosophy and was willing to give him time and allow him to have a chance to prove that he can be the solution for our managerial stability issues.

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We did pretty well after the sacking of AVB, (not in league terms obviously) but it worked out. We were doing well with RDM. Ok we were knocked out of the group stage of the champions league stage but we looked dead certs for top 4, and were still mentioned in the race for the title. Things went majorly downhill after RDM went.

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Exactly. We wouldn't have done either of those things had some players not gotten AVB fired because Roman believed his project and philosophy and was willing to give him time and allow him to have a chance to prove that he can be the solution for our managerial stability issues.

I get that, but it was not our Board's fault (pretty rare, lol). They didnt ask for players to place their ego's above the club, but oncenit did happen, there was no turning back...

We had to sack him to save our season. Oddly enough, the success Di Matteo magically achieved turned against him and Roman thought the same thing. Really good that this Benitez shit is happening, a great reality check to all of us!

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I don't know. How is choosing who starts and who doesn't considered bad man-management skills.

Of course he made mistakes and was partly responsible for the club's position, but choosing what he thought was the best team and playing people based on their skills not names were not part of those mistakes, in my opinion, at least. If some multimillionaires threw a tantrum for not getting what they want and tried to undermine his work, that is not his fault.

Had he played the players based on their skills, he wouldn't have tried to play an open expansive attacking football with a high defensive line with the players we got then when clearly they were not suited to play that kind of style.

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We did pretty well after the sacking of AVB, (not in league terms obviously) but it worked out. We were doing well with RDM. Ok we were knocked out of the group stage of the champions league stage but we looked dead certs for top 4, and were still mentioned in the race for the title. Things went majorly downhill after RDM went.

Does seem a kinda dont know what you had etc till its gone somewhere else!Saying that we had a great rest of season with RDM and wouldnt change that.Just a shame what we've been left with at the moment