The English Football Thread

[Kojo 4,676]

You really should try watching a football match. ;p

Your side is very average, Ferguson was a miracle worker, Moyes is nothing compared to him.

He will not be able to get his team performing like Ferguson did.

Wigan gave you a good game, Persie scored from a halfchance then got a lucky deflection.

[JayC 171]

Your side is very average, Ferguson was a miracle worker, Moyes is nothing compared to him.

He will not be able to get his team performing like Ferguson did.

Wigan gave you a good game, Persie scored from a halfchance then got a lucky deflection.

I've heard it all before. This is what everyone hopes - yet it remains to be seen.

It's a myth desperados have jumped on, in hope we will come crashing down. Our team is in fact far from average.

[Kojo 4,676]

I've heard it all before. This is what everyone hopes - yet it remains to be seen.

It's a myth desperados have jumped on, in hope we will come crashing down. Our team is in fact far from average.

Oh really?

The only world class player in your team is Van Persie. Tom Cleverly and Danny Welbeck? Hahahahahahahahaha

[NishC300 1,865]

I've heard it all before. This is what everyone hopes - yet it remains to be seen.

It's a myth desperados have jumped on, in hope we will come crashing down. Our team is in fact far from average.

Far from average? Everyone single United attack is the same. All u do is pass to the wings and someone just crosses it. It deflects of a three players and goes in.

Excuse me does anyone in United have this skill? (U'll get many many videos this is just one!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhgPmv4ZEL0

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Oh really?

The only world class player in your team is Van Persie. Tom Cleverly and Danny Welbeck? Hahahahahahahahah

Plus Michael Carrick. and even Vidic too, if he wasn't busy being injured.

[NishC300 1,865]

Plus Michael Carrick. and even Vidic too, if he wasn't busy being injured.

Just watch United play. There build up play is as intelligent as a three year old! So predictable. They are just an extremely negative team who score flukey goals (except the odd Van Persie goal)

[Kojo 4,676]

Plus Michael Carrick. and even Vidic too, if he wasn't busy being injured.

Michael Carrick world class?

After one decent season are you kidding me? he's a passenger most of the time, he's certainly no Steven Gerrard, Paul Scholes or Frank Lampard.

Vidic is a class centre back, but he's always injured, so he doesn't count.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Just watch United play. There build up play is as intelligent as a three year old! So predictable. They are just an extremely negative team who score flukey goals (except the odd Van Persie goal)

But we need to admit that they have this uncanny ability to churn out results when it is needed, something we could learn from. This is the exact same way other fans slated us when we parked the bus. let them be as they are. the best thing to do is trust in Jose to create a way that is more attractive and helps us get on top of it.

But build up is one thing, their defense isn't that bad either, they've held strong, especially with Michael Carrick in the middle.

[NishC300 1,865]

But we need to admit that they have this uncanny ability to churn out results when it is needed, something we could learn from. This is the exact same way other fans slated us when we parked the bus. let them be as they are. the best thing to do is trust in Jose to create a way that is more attractive and helps us get on top of it.

But build up is one thing, their defense isn't that bad either, they've held strong, especially with Michael Carrick in the middle.

Last season they were conceding 2 goals at home to Braga....

Churn out results? It's mere luck (and a lot of help from their pals at the FA).

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Michael Carrick world class?

After one decent season are you kidding me? he's a passenger most of the time, he's certainly no Steven Gerrard, Paul Scholes or Frank Lampard.

Vidic is a class centre back, but he's always injured, so he doesn't count.

Decent? No way. He clicked at the right time. This is the same way many people under-rate the role of a defensive midfielder. Not really saying he comes under the class of Stevie G or Scholesy or Lamps for that matter. Plus he doesn't even play the same role tbh ! They're a class above, but if there was a category just below world-class, you can slot Carrick in. He performed right when Fergie wanted him to. It'll take a big man to do it again and I don't think Moyes can do that. You take Carrick away from the team than RVP could score as many goals as he wants, but it would mean nothing when his defense are picking balls up from the net.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Last season they were conceding 2 goals at home to Braga....

Churn out results? It's mere luck (and a lot of help from their pals at the FA).

That's once instance,they had a +42 goal difference, best in the league for a reason. not Fergie, but that excellent defensive coach at United.

Now come on, lets not bring on the hate. we got to be honest, they do get decisions but that comes down to mostly Fergie's intimidating stature rather than having help from the FA. Champions are the one's who treat every game the same, no mattter how bad. this comes only due to the manager having a strong effect on the players. I don't have enough fingers on my hand to count how many times our own Chelsea boys have played without passion and interest !

[NishC300 1,865]

That's once instance,they had a +42 goal difference, best in the league for a reason. not Fergie, but that excellent defensive coach at United.

Now come on, lets not bring on the hate. we got to be honest, they do get decisions but that comes down to mostly Fergie's intimidating stature rather than having help from the FA. Champions are the one's who treat every game the same, no mattter how bad. this comes only due to the manager having a strong effect on the players. I don't have enough fingers on my hand to count how many times our own Chelsea boys have played without passion and interest !

I can't bother writing an enormous explanation

read: www.diminbeirut.typepad.com. This has everything. 4/5 articles on Man United.

http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/referees-are-manchester-united-biased-heres-the-evidence-from-qualified-refs/ (This one is good too)

Read the articles. Then comment. I'm sure they will have an effect on your opinion.

So getting lucky is the ability to "churn out results"

so when someone wins the lottery that means they are good at "churning out results".

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I can't bother writing an enormous explanation

read: www.diminbeirut.typepad.com. This has everything. 4/5 articles on Man United.

http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/referees-are-manchester-united-biased-heres-the-evidence-from-qualified-refs/ (This one is good too)

Read the articles. Then comment. I'm sure they will have an effect on your opinion.

So getting lucky is the ability to "churn out results"

so when someone wins the lottery that means they are good at "churning out results".

Don't want to argue mate. I refuse to believe that corruption has crept into English football. What are we? Italians?

Pointing to that article, read it long ago, and I have laughed at loopholes. For once United has been compared to the weighted average and not individual teams.

I have been a strong follower of this site for a long time , have a look - http://www.refereedecisions.co.uk/

it provides a more clear and unbiased opinion.

[Kojo 4,676]

Decent? No way. He clicked at the right time. This is the same way many people under-rate the role of a defensive midfielder. Not really saying he comes under the class of Stevie G or Scholesy or Lamps for that matter. Plus he doesn't even play the same role tbh ! They're a class above, but if there was a category just below world-class, you can slot Carrick in. He performed right when Fergie wanted him to. It'll take a big man to do it again and I don't think Moyes can do that. You take Carrick away from the team than RVP could score as many goals as he wants, but it would mean nothing when his defense are picking balls up from the net.

So if he's not in their category how is he world class?

You are overrating United to the max. This is the team what scraped wins last season, under a very good manager. Now it's a different ball game. United will have to accept it's not there time anymore. We have better players than United in almost every area except for upfront, City are stronger in every area.

Even Spurs have a better side than United do right now. They will not be the force they once where, especially with them losing out on Rooney and having little chance of signing any quality players.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

So if he's not in their category how is he world class?

You are overrating United to the max. This is the team what scraped wins last season, under a very good manager. Now it's a different ball game. United will have to accept it's not there time anymore. We have better players than United in almost every area except for upfront, City are stronger in every area.

Even Spurs have a better side than United do right now. They will not be the force they once where, especially with them losing out on Rooney and having little chance of signing any quality players.

I hang my hands up. never said that they had better players than Chelsea , City or Spurs though. time will tell. hopefully all goes well for Chelsea. that's what matters at the end of the day.