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On 06/04/2025 at 18:34, Special Juan said:

Do not care what anyone says the PL being the best league in the world is massively over played, this season has been nothing short of pathetic in terms of quality from the so called best league in the world...Just look at this afternoon....City v United, that was as bland and boring as it comes with two team who have regressed massively and that is without talking about how far we have fallen

 

Been the case for years. Technical and tactical side of the PL has always been overhyped. Look at how many big players leave the PL to go to Spain or whatever and say that its purely only more difficult physically. 

Simply put, if you want to watch good football, don’t watch the big games in the PL. All these Pep disciples/wanna be’s like Arteta, Maresca etc are also a big reason as to why PL football is getting poorer too.

Everything is so predictable, so robotic, so boring… they’d sooner see their teams pass the ball backwards and sideways for 90 minutes because ultimately their philosophy is more important than winning - or it seems that way. Or have fullbacks inverting to give them a box midfield and then their wide men are crossing the ball to one maybe two guy’s in the box because their fulbacks are playing as number 6/8s, they have midfielders who don’t really break into the box and their wingers are doing what their fullbacks would of done in the past instead of coming and getting in the box….. 

The young guy at Brighton and (pains me to say it) Arne Slot have both been a breath of fresh air in terms of philosophy/style of football IMO. Possession orientated still but quick attacking play and huge emphasis on attacking transitions at most opportunities. Even Forest this season, sort of throwback playing a low block but a hugely effective attacking transition with Elanga, Hudso-Odoi, MGW etc. Ange also last season was a breath of fresh air for the PL with his fullbacks as number 10s effectively (different from what he did at Celtic) although now Spuds and him are getting pasted left right and centre 😂

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Jeremy Monga just came on, only 15 yo

so young he cannot have a shirt sponsor on his kit, lol

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50m bid incoming from BlueCo no doubt

 

How bad is the standard of the top and bottom teams in the PL though wow. Sheffield and Leicester both been absolutely pathetic and rightfully relegated - like two of the worst sides I’ve seen in recent years.

Then throw in how bad us, Spurs, Man United, Man City have all looked too at times this season it is absolutely incredible 😂

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11 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

How bad is the standard of the top and bottom teams in the PL though wow. Sheffield and Leicester both been absolutely pathetic and rightfully relegated - like two of the worst sides I’ve seen in recent years.

Then throw in how bad us, Spurs, Man United, Man City have all looked too at times this season it is absolutely incredible

For us/Spurs/United, I feel like there's just something missing between the players and the manager.   

For City, feel like it's the end of a cycle (particularly with KDB going at the end of the season).  It was weird seeing them go hard for young defenders. 

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9 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

For us/Spurs/United, I feel like there's just something missing between the players and the manager.   

For City, feel like it's the end of a cycle (particularly with KDB going at the end of the season).  It was weird seeing them go hard for young defenders. 

Maybe. With Spurs and Man United, there’s definitely something going on between the players and their managers ie. players struggling to deliver what their managers want tactically. And issues with mentality.

I don’t think Postecoglu or Ruben Amorin (still think he was a bit overhyped) are bad managers by any stretch of the imagination and the squads that Spurs & United have are also better than their league standings, for sure. Lacking quality but still considering their league finishes last year - huge change.

Here, its a bit of that but also our recruitment has been that bad over the past few windows with so many average/ill thought signings in similar positions or players the manager has no intention of using (Jorgensen, Felix, Veiga, KDH, Nkunku…). Not to mention another manager who is about this stupid meaningless possession philosophy at all costs. 

Diff league but the best example of what a top team should be is Real Madrid. Like, why do they seem to end up winning the CL or big trophies most seasons despite not playing incredibly well in a lot of the games? Particularly when it comes to certain big games in Europe? It is because Ancelotti put’s winning above playing styles/abiding by these daft Pep knock off philosophies. Yes they have excellent players (their recruitment is outstanding over the past 10 years) but Ancelotti’s so flexible tactically. Low block, high block, counter attacking, possession - they can do it all.

And yeah 100%, City is end of an era in the same way our 11-12 team was probably but obviously City higher standard and won more. They are changing sporting director also - so it is interesting to see how recruitment goes for them too. Pep is also getting to the point where maybe he has to look at slightly tweaking what he is doing again and changing with the times a bit also as sterile possession football is sort of becoming more of a hindrance than a help - look at them without Haaland who allows them to go more direct from Ederson to play off a second ball higher up the pitch, just very very slow and predictable. Needs more energy and legs in their team again too.

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15 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not to mention another manager who is about this stupid meaningless possession philosophy at all costs. 

This is the part I don't get with some managers.   There's no point having 1000 passes and 60% (or more) possession if you aren't doing anything meaningful in the final third of the pitch. 

Our attack is almost relegation quality (with Palmer not in form and Jackson still recovering from injury) and so predictable for the opposition. 

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23 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

This is the part I don't get with some managers.   There's no point having 1000 passes and 60% (or more) possession if you aren't doing anything meaningful in the final third of the pitch. 

Our attack is almost relegation quality (with Palmer not in form and Jackson still recovering from injury) and so predictable for the opposition. 

Exactly like when games are lost there can be this crap of but look we had lots of the ball...and???! It's a loss!! No point having the ball and doing sod all with it.

Our attack used to be one you could bring a sub on and they'd also change the game. We don't have any of that anymore 

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