The English Football Thread

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1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Also, City again showing that you can never have enough top class attacking players. No Aguero, no Silva, no Bernardo, Sané gone. And they still dismantle the best side in the league.

This is why Havertz should still be a target. Yes, we need defenders, but what we have up on the business end of the pitch could use more upgrades too.

They are the ONLY team that have that many top class attacking player because their finance is crazy. No team will sign cancelo as backup rb other than city. 

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9 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

The same defence that restricted Leicester and the best offense in the league to 0 goals from openplay.

This game vs pool will suit us more. Wehave defended well vs the big teams mostly when we remained compact. We usually have the problems from set pieces where liverpool have only one dangerous player and are in general even shorter than we or when we are spread by committing to many players forward and are hit on the break or similar. I think we will be clever enough to not allow that. As soon as we can defend in numbers with a lower block we will be fine.

All three goals we conceded at SB in three games this season against City and Liverpool have been from set pieces.

And arguably all three fouls have been unnecessary. Chris and Azpi against Liverpool and Kante against City.

So not only we defend corners and crosses badly we also make stupid fouls in dangerous area.

And I just realized 3 of 4 goals we conceded against UTD have also been from set pieces. And Ndidi for Leicester...

God, anyone have stats? How many goals in total we conceded from set pieces this season? Surely over 20...

But I agree, we are very much capable even with this squad to keep clean sheet against best teams.

 

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6 minutes ago, Jason said:

The problem is, this defence cannot be trusted. They can play like gods in one game and then play like clowns in the next.

Also, not sure restricting Leicester is much of an achievement given they have been struggling for goals anyway. 

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18 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

The same defence that restricted Leicester and the best offense in the league to 0 goals from openplay.

This game vs pool will suit us more. Wehave defended well vs the big teams mostly when we remained compact. We usually have the problems from set pieces where liverpool have only one dangerous player and are in general even shorter than we or when we are spread by committing to many players forward and are hit on the break or similar. I think we will be clever enough to not allow that. As soon as we can defend in numbers with a lower block we will be fine.

City has never been strong at indirect set pieces (short player everywhere) but pool is very good.

 

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4 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

God, anyone have stats? How many goals in total we conceded from set pieces this season? Surely over 20...

12 apparently. Joint fourth-most in the league.

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what is wrong with Rudiger this year?
he should be pushing on toward WC, and instead has dreadfully regressed
he has the size, pace, athletic ability to be a top 15 or even top 10 CB
but now his positioning and instincts are fucked up
he is a massive spanner in my constant plotting for forming the team
I had him as a CB to find a partner for who complimented him (hint, Romagnoli) since we bought him

Me personally, I never rated him highly because I know him a little bit from Bundesliga and German national team. He is a very good 1 vs 1 defender and has the athletic abilities. But he never had the football IQ. I have a theory why that may be the case. He played most of his amateur and street football career as a striker and midfielder. Only later when he was 15-17 years old, he started playing CB and later on he went to Stuttgart. He started very late with football and he was playing other position and he never really developt the basics. He only relied on his athleticism, which is enough for Youth and most Bundesliga teams. But you need more when you want to reach WC level. But it may change one year. Who knows

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

12 apparently. Joint fourth-most in the league.

This is only PL? 

Because we conceded from all Lille, Ajax, Valencia in CL.. UTD in FA cup both goals. Even Hull and Grimsby (goalkeeper made assist)... 

So surely over 20 goals... At least 1/3 of all goals this season. UNACCEPTABLE!

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2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

This is only PL? 

Because we conceded from all Lille, Ajax, Valencia in CL.. UTD in FA cup both goals. Even Hull and Grimsby (goalkeeper made assist)... 

So surely over 20 goals... At least 1/3 of all goals this season. UNACCEPTABLE!

Yes, in the league.

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Mourinho's 3rd season has come early...

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10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

This is only PL? 

Because we conceded from all Lille, Ajax, Valencia in CL.. UTD in FA cup both goals. Even Hull and Grimsby (goalkeeper made assist)... 

So surely over 20 goals... At least 1/3 of all goals this season. UNACCEPTABLE!

 

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The players are not coached well enough at all in defence and set-pieces, its a huge problem and may well be the death blow. But the common sense of the players too is horrible. Azpi knows he is marking a 7.2 foot giant, why not ask the others to help? Wtf was our tallest player doing in goal? No logic at all.

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The players are not coached well enough at all in defence and set-pieces, its a huge problem and may well be the death blow. But the common sense of the players too is horrible. Azpi knows he is marking a 7.2 foot giant, why not ask the others to help? Wtf was our tallest player doing in goal? No logic at all.

If Conte can't make our team defend well, no coach can. We just have terrible defenders and now with Lampard a coach, who is more of an expert going forward.

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3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

If Conte can't make our team defend well, no coach can. We just have terrible defenders and now with Lampard a coach, who is more of an expert going forward.

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Its a crap defence done worse by not improving the massive issues there, we really need an astute defence coach here. On top of some bloody good defenders.

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12 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Its a crap defence done worse by not improving the massive issues there, we really need an astute defence coach here. On top of some bloody good defenders.

Astute defence coach will do no shit if we keep parading clowns like Rudiger Christensen as defenders....

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16 minutes ago, Alabama said:

Astute defence coach will do no shit if we keep parading clowns like Rudiger Christensen as defenders....

They can def do better than this im sure of it, but that doesnt make them WC no. We will not mount a challange unless we rid ourselves of these amateurish mistakes.

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Its a crap defence done worse by not improving the massive issues there, we really need an astute defence coach here. On top of some bloody good defenders.

If we had Conte as a coach again, I do not think that he can make this team defend well, especially not with 4 at the back. Conte came here, tried 4 defenders at the back and got slaughtered by Arsenal. Conte got sick of it and he tried a 3 men defense,which won us the title. But our defense was that bad that he changed the whole system. Our defense got worse over time. Azpi is not in his prime anymore. Rüdiger and AC are not good enough. Nobody can coach them to be better.

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40 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

If we had Conte as a coach again, I do not think that he can make this team defend well, especially not with 4 at the back. Conte came here, tried 4 defenders at the back and got slaughtered by Arsenal. Conte got sick of it and he tried a 3 men defense,which won us the title. But our defense was that bad that he changed the whole system. Our defense got worse over time. Azpi is not in his prime anymore. Rüdiger and AC are not good enough. Nobody can coach them to be better.

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I def disagree there mate, you have worse defenders in the league doing better, more aware of their surroundings. Conte would most certainly make us much harder to beat, Simeone the same. I agree we have a crappy defence but they can do better than this. What we have witnessed this season is nothing but shambolic in that area. Ask yourself is our defence worse than Arsenal's? Not for me.

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11 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I def disagree there mate, you have worse defenders in the league doing better, more aware of their surroundings. Conte would most certainly make us much harder to beat, Simeone the same. I agree we have a crappy defence but they can do better than this. What we have witnessed this season is nothing but shambolic in that area. Ask yourself is our defence worse than Arsenal's? Not for me.

But on the flip side, Conte wouldn't have let us leave our box in the cup game vs Liverpool and would then blame the inevitable defeat on injures, whereas Lamps by comparison adjusted and beat them comfortably.