DDA 9,939 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yes it's only preseason and yes it's only for fitness. But I couldn't help but wonder today, why in the hell are we sending this guy out on loan but keeping Van Ginkel who looked like he was struggling with some basic passes?!I was thinking exactly that! Josh was passing into pockets of space with ease whilst MvG was struggling to go forward. That's the thing I love about Joshy's game is that he always looks to go forward with fast and decisive passing that unlocks doors and turns defences inside and out. CHOULO19, ╫rue Blue and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Im not saying start him in a Champions League semi final at the Allianz Arena, but he could be useful against team's like Hull especially who will park the jumbo jet infront of their goal.But is that really going to help him develop? Just playing him when it's the perfect environment for him to succeed. How valuable is that, if at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 But is that really going to help him develop? Just playing him when it's the perfect environment for him to succeed. How valuable is that, if at all?It's all part of the development process, first give him the job of helping break down stubborn defenses, then slowly work on his defensive side, he's still 20 so there's no rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 But is that really going to help him develop? Just playing him when it's the perfect environment for him to succeed. How valuable is that, if at all?how would a loan spell help him? the last 2 definitely did not. more over the point of having a squad is to play a particular 11 which is best suited to win a match and succeed... if we can win matches by playing josh against sucky opponents, i would take that rather than see his talent being wasted in the championship. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The pre season hype ala Marín? I still think him and piazon need to go on a loan and prove they are good to start on the team like kdb, lukaku, and Kalas have done. semiller1313 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The pre season hype ala Marín? I still think him and piazon need to go on a loan and prove they are good to start on the team like kdb, lukaku, and Kalas have done.Injuries derailed Marin's start here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 It's all part of the development process, first give him the job of helping break down stubborn defenses, then slowly work on his defensive side, he's still 20 so there's no rush.That's my point though, I don't think we need to give him the job of breaking down stubborn defenses because I think with his talent he can already do that. Yeah sure he can still improve here but even if he doesn't he still good enough offensively. It's the other half that he needs to work on, his technique, vision and passing is so good I'd argue that his training should be 100% strength and defense training.At this point in his development, I'd rather see him misplace 5 passes and miss two sitters if he gets 2 tackles, 2 interceptions and a block.His offense - 7/10His defense - 2/10Total - 9/20So even if he has an amazing offensive game, which he's def capable of, the max he gets is 12/20, whereas if he even improves his defense to a 5/10, he's putting in 12/20 performances on his off days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I think Josh could learn from Wallace ...Younger and just arrived at the club but looks a ready made squad player. Josh still looks like aboy playing amongst men. Leif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The defensive thing about josh I remember when carlo said he wanted to put him in the mid as a dm type of player. Now I see why he wanted to do that, as josh has the ability to become some type of pirlo/alonso type of player.But he needs the right type of loan. Hopefully the club and Mourinho can find something interesting for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yes it's only preseason and yes it's only for fitness. But I couldn't help but wonder today, why in the hell are we sending this guy out on loan but keeping Van Ginkel who looked like he was struggling with some basic passes?!shouldnt you move this post as well ... YOU brought Van into the debate ,,then decide you dont like the way the discussion was going ...PRICELESS didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 shouldnt you move this post as well ... YOU brought Van into the debate ,,then decide you dont like the way the discussion was going ...PRICELESSI brought him in comparison with Josh and moved the posts that were only about Van Ginkel to his thread so that this one won't get derailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I brought him in comparison with Josh and moved the posts that were only about Van Ginkel to his thread so that this one won't get derailed. bullshit ...you raised the comparison so it was legitimate to discuss it; YOU criticised Van Ginkle in a thread about Josh ,,,no one mentioned Van until you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 So why are we keeping ramires then? For the defensive aspect of his game, just like MVG.My point was more about why are we loaning Josh out. Yes he is better defensively than Josh, but Josh is a much better passer. They're not really that far apart in terms of ability and personally if I had to chose, I'd chose our academy product. Neither of them is comparable to Ramires. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 bullshit ...you raised the comparison so it was legitimate to discuss it; YOU criticised Van Ginkle in a thread about Josh ,,,no one mentioned Van until you did.What exactly is it that you want?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 What exactly is it that you want?!you to stop moving posts if you dont like them .. perhaps you should just lock the ones you dont like??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 you to stop moving posts if you dont like them .. perhaps you should just lock the ones you dont like???If I don't like them? Half the posts I moved were my own! I brought up MVG to highlight Josh's passing abilities. Some responses came about MVG only and I replied to them about MVG only as well which means they have nothing to do with this thread. So I moved them to Marco's thread because I felt that the discussion will go on for a long time. I did not want this thread to get derailed. Unfortunately you seem intent on just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 What exactly is it that you want?!Your job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 If I don't like them? Half the posts I moved were my own! I brought up MVG to highlight Josh's passing abilities. Some responses came about MVG only and I replied to them about MVG only as well which means they have nothing to do with this thread. So I moved them to Marco's thread because I felt that the discussion will go on for a long time. I did not want this thread to get derailed. Unfortunately you seem intent on just that.dont be so precious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goemaere 131 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Has to go on loan to improve his defensive abilities. I'd guess calargri would be great if they sell naingolann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I wonder what the comments would be if Josh wasn't our local boy, if he was signed for 5-10M. I will always support him, no matter what happens and who comes in. Of course I like our kid better than some other youngster like Van Ginkel. If Jose thinks a loan move would do him good then find him a good environment and hope he can deliver. Good luck Josh ! didierforever and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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