Ramires

[CHOULO19 24,332]

you cant judge formations when we attack, you have to look at it how we defend. We have always defended with 2 blocks of 4 with Oscar as the pressing nr 10 behind Costa.

Huh? The team's formation is the formation they use when they have the ball. That has always been the case. We defend in a 4-4-2, always have. And even then, it is sometimes Oscar next to Costa and other times it Cesc (and even rarely, Matic).

[Joker10 946]

While Ramires played a good game and much more useful then Schurrle, i wouldn't say he changed the game. What changed the game was when we pressed very high, and didn't allow Swansea bring up the ball with ease. Watch the game from 30m up you will see how much more difficult Swansea had and that point we really pinned them back and controlled the game. Ramires addition only further helped in that department.

Also early in the game our passing was very sloppy, Matic and Schurrle were the biggest offenders of that.

I liked our midfield in the second half. Matic-Fabregas-Ramires seems to be our best midfield provided Ramires shows some restraint and holds back to help out Matic in defence when needed and let Cesc go forward to link up with Eden and Oscar/Willian.

The midfield of Ramires-Matic-Cesc is flawed, i could tell you what is wrong with it but i suggest watching the Everton game again.

[didierforever 7,349]

While Ramires played a good game and much more useful then Schurrle, i wouldn't say he changed the game. What changed the game was when we pressed very high, and didn't allow Swansea bring up the ball with ease. Watch the game from 30m up you will see how much more difficult Swansea had and that point we really pinned them back and controlled the game. Ramires addition only further helped in that department.

Also early in the game our passing was very sloppy, Matic and Schurrle were the biggest offenders of that.

The midfield of Ramires-Matic-Cesc is flawed, i could tell you what is wrong with it but i suggest watching the Everton game again.

Thw whole post is flawed.

Everton game was a one off. A gane where none of our 3 Cms had a good match defensively. Hazard was woeful leaving azpi without cover. If u actually want to judge them, judge how well they cut off supply lines in this match. The only goal we conceded was when JT decided to take a stroll in the park and leave a glaring hole in the defence for shelvey to run in.

Rambo DID change the game. We were pressing swansea for the last 20 minutes of the first half but were hardly as influential. Also we looked circumspect on counters. After rambo came in, the whole complexion of the natch changed. Our ball retention was amazing and we for once in the natch had continous prrssure on swansea resulting in the goals.

[Joker10 946]

Thw whole post is flawed.

Everton game was a one off. A gane where none of our 3 Cms had a good match defensively. Hazard was woeful leaving azpi without cover. If u actually want to judge them, judge how well they cut off supply lines in this match. The only goal we conceded was when JT decided to take a stroll in the park and leave a glaring hole in the defence for shelvey to run in.

Rambo DID change the game. We were pressing swansea for the last 20 minutes of the first half but were hardly as influential. Also we looked circumspect on counters. After rambo came in, the whole complexion of the natch changed. Our ball retention was amazing and we for once in the natch had continous prrssure on swansea resulting in the goals.

I am going to let you believe what you want to believe.

I did say we were more influential with Ramires on the pitch and after the break, but not game changer. Game changer was our pressing of their CBs and them having harder time bringing the ball up the pitch.

We will see more of Ramires-Matic-Cesc midfield in the future, we shell see if it was a off game or not.

[Barbara 15,149]

I am going to let you believe what you want to believe.

I did say we were more influential with Ramires on the pitch and after the break, but not game changer. Game changer was our pressing of their CBs and them having harder time bringing the ball up the pitch.

We will see more of Ramires-Matic-Cesc midfield in the future, we shell see if it was a off game or not.

Mourinho said the same, but he also highlighted how much Ramires helped with that. So he deserves some credit too. We had already turned things around in the first half, but with Ramires addition we completely changed the way we pressed and then we started to dominate the midfield.

[TrueChelseaBlue 105]

Sometimes you can't help but moan when he goes "too deep"....or so I'm told

Hahaha love that

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

Huh? The team's formation is the formation they use when they have the ball. That has always been the case. We defend in a 4-4-2, always have. And even then, it is sometimes Oscar next to Costa and other times it Cesc (and even rarely, Matic).

So how do you explain the back 4 when we have the ball? Iva plays as a right winger when we have the ball....

[Namika 922]

3 assists and 1 goal in 1 game and a half, excellent start of the season. Will be our key player against City imo.

[bababoom 4,478]

We don't really play a traditional 4-3-3 with Cesc, Matic and Oscar, my point is with Ramires included we do and it seems way more balanced.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

We don't really play a traditional 4-3-3 with Cesc, Matic and Oscar, my point is with Ramires included we do and it seems way more balanced.

THANK YOU.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

For a skinny guy he is fit as hell, also never get injured(more like he will injure other players with dangerous tackles). He is a manager's dream, limited technically but hard work and quick, will run ALL MATCH and that is why he WILL start next week against Man City, because we need his energy over Oscar.

[The Chels 2,502]

We don't really play a traditional 4-3-3 with Cesc, Matic and Oscar, my point is with Ramires included we do and it seems way more balanced.

The Cesc-Matic-Ramires trio looked poor defensively against Everton as did the Cesc-Matic-Oscar trio in the first half against Swansea. It was only when we played with all 4 in the second half against Swansea that we looked more secure. I'd still like to see us try Mikel-Matic-Cesc though.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

The Cesc-Matic-Ramires trio looked poor defensively against Everton as did the Cesc-Matic-Oscar trio in the first half against Swansea. It was only when we played with all 4 in the second half against Swansea that we looked more secure. I'd still like to see us try Mikel-Matic-Cesc though.

You cant compare the Cesc-Matic-Rami trio in the Everton game and the second half of the Swansea game. In the Everton game Rami and Matic played in the pivot with Cesc as the nr 10 and in the second half of the swansea game we played a 4-3-3.

[Polo7 3,496]

Fabregas sometimes has been too deep

You have a lot in common with my girlfriend. She moans when I go too deep....

[The Chels 2,502]

You cant compare the Cesc-Matic-Rami trio in the Everton game and the second half of the Swansea game. In the Everton game Rami and Matic played in the pivot with Cesc as the nr 10 and in the second half of the swansea game we played a 4-3-3.

I don't remember us playing a 4-2-3-1 against Everton. Cesc played mostly deep next to Ramires and Matic in a midfield 3 just as he did against Swansea second half. Either way there wasn't much difference between the two at all.

[DH1988 1,319]

Too deep yet he's assisted 6 goals already.

Ok.

There's always something to moan about, isnt there?

This forum is getting worse I swear.

Yeah sometimes he's too deep then Jose changed the formation e.g. bringing on Ramires and then guess what? He gets the assists.

Mong.

[TrueChelseaBlue 105]

This forum is getting worse I swear.

Yeah sometimes he's too deep then Jose changed the formation e.g. bringing on Ramires and then guess what? He gets the assists.

Mong.

Lol. Don't take it so personally son.

Pipe down.

Appreciate what he's doing rather than the nagatives all the time.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So how do you explain the back 4 when we have the ball? Iva plays as a right winger when we have the ball....

Just a modern fullback supporting the attack. And even that depends on the opposition and who is playing in front of him. If Schurrle is playing RW, then Iva goes forward less because Andre stays wide. That all changes according to the game.

The point is, I don't like to make those small distinctions because formations aren't rigid in practice. Calling for us to "switch" to 4-3-3 is not that at all; you're calling for a personnel change, namely Ramires for Oscar. That doesn't change the formation because Oscar is already playing a central midfielder role, even if it does give the team something a bit different.