Enzo Maresca Thread

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

3 hours ago, Antonio8 said:

he is the bad copy of guardiola, change my mind

The only thing we know so far is peps last assistant manager went on to challenge city for the title until the last day of the league, he assisted pep in a treble winning season then went into management and got Leicester promoted, which btw not every manager can do that in his first season even if they have the best team, but @Vesperis right, time will tell.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

27 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

The only thing we know so far is peps last assistant manager went on to challenge city for the title until the last day of the league, he assisted pep in a treble winning season then went into management and got Leicester promoted, which btw not every manager can do that in his first season even if they have the best team, but @Vesperis right, time will tell.

Pep’s last assistant before Enzo was actually Juan Manuel Lillo, who left City to go to Al Sadd. Don’t think he put up any trees so to speak and eventually ended up returning to City.

Then for Arteta, it took 2 to 2.5 years to make any sort of real progress with Arsenal in terms of turning them into a title competing side. And even then they threw it away the first year. Lets not forgot how often their fans wanted the club to sack him up until that season.

And you mention Enzo assisted Pep in a treble winning season. What makes you think an assistant manager has such a huge role in terms of actual coaching? A lot of them don’t tend to do a lot of the actual hands on coaching, the other coaches on the staff do the majority of the sessions. They are usually a buffer between the players and manager and will do the likes of opposition studies or analysis than actually on the grass doing drills.

Just because someone’s worked with Pep, I don’t think that should be a huge indicator or point to make people believe he will be a success or the right choice. At all. For example, whilst he was lower on the list, by all accounts Vincent Kompany has ended up walking into the Bayern Munich job on Pep’s recommendation and his teams were hilariously and hopelessly battered most weeks in the Premier League.

Hypothetically, say Enzo goes down the Arteta route, are people really going to be content to wait another 2 seasons? Given the shit we’ve seen the last 2 seasons? Clearlake and these co-sporting directors have a lot to answer for so if this appointment doesn’t work out it would be another naive move, an even more embarrassing one as such, hiring a guy predominantly because he worked with Pep as an assistant manager for 1 season. 

Edited June 9, 2024 by OneMoSalah

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

16 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Pep’s last assistant before Enzo was actually Juan Manuel Lillo, who left City to go to Al Sadd. Don’t think he put up any trees so to speak and eventually ended up returning to City.

Then for Arteta, it took 2 to 2.5 years to make any sort of real progress with Arsenal in terms of turning them into a title competing side. And even then they threw it away the first year. Lets not forgot how often their fans wanted the club to sack him up until that season.

And you mention Enzo assisted Pep in a treble winning season. What makes you think an assistant manager has such a huge role in terms of actual coaching? A lot of them don’t tend to do a lot of the actual hands on coaching, the other coaches on the staff do the majority of the sessions. They are usually a buffer between the players and manager and will do the likes of opposition studies or analysis than actually on the grass doing drills.

Just because someone’s worked with Pep, I don’t think that should be a huge indicator or point to make people believe he will be a success or the right choice. At all. For example, whilst he was lower on the list, by all accounts Vincent Kompany has ended up walking into the Bayern Munich job on Pep’s recommendation and his teams were hilariously and hopelessly battered most weeks in the Premier League.

Hypothetically, say Enzo goes down the Arteta route, are people really going to be content to wait another 2 seasons? Given the shit we’ve seen the last 2 seasons? Clearlake and these co-sporting directors have a lot to answer for so if this appointment doesn’t work out it would be another naive move, an even more embarrassing one as such, hiring a guy predominantly because he worked with Pep as an assistant manager for 1 season. 

All depends on how you view things I guess, we Chelsea fans are used to instant success when a manager comes in, so most will struggle to wait 2 years but in artetas defence you could see the improvement and the direction they were heading, secondly I don't think they hired him because he "worked with pep" I think that's most twitter click bait shit personally. And lastly kompany had Burnley playing shit hot in the championship problem is they didn't have the players to do that in the pl, he had his style and he stuck too it, I think how well Burnley played in a league with an equally set of talent players was a big reason in why he also got the job, big teams now seem to be going down the young and up and coming manager route, so the next 5 years in football is going to be dominated by new faces in management I feel.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

57 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

All depends on how you view things I guess, we Chelsea fans are used to instant success when a manager comes in, so most will struggle to wait 2 years but in artetas defence you could see the improvement and the direction they were heading, secondly I don't think they hired him because he "worked with pep" I think that's most twitter click bait shit personally. And lastly kompany had Burnley playing shit hot in the championship problem is they didn't have the players to do that in the pl, he had his style and he stuck too it, I think how well Burnley played in a league with an equally set of talent players was a big reason in why he also got the job, big teams now seem to be going down the young and up and coming manager route, so the next 5 years in football is going to be dominated by new faces in management I feel.

I just don’t think the club, co sporting directors and fans can just keep on flinging the word project around as the clubs actions in particular don’t show that the leadership are actually wanting to follow through in a project. Anything but, based on managerial appointments and sacking, they are proving that they want more instant success. And the manager is as big a part of a project as any player is, if not bigger.

Then when you consider how long it will likely take most managers, particularly ones with a lack of experience at the highest level, to try and figure out a squad as young and unproven as ours. I don’t see why people should be that patient given Poch finally started seeing and figuring out what he could and couldn’t get out of certain players. This season would probably of been much better from the get go with Poch still there despite my feelings on how poorly the season started and was until maybe January/February. 

If it takes Enzo Maresca a season or two to do anything, he won’t be here as simple as that. Particularly given how we’ve just effectively sacked somebody who got 6th place. I don’t think the word project can be used as such or Enzo-Arteta comparisons as a 6th place finish is a much better starting point that Arteta also had. 

Burnley demolished the championship but if thats the barometer for a club like Bayern Munich or us when we looked at Maresca, then certain aspects of top level decision making is going in the wrong direction at both clubs. Don’t forget Burnley spent the best part of £30m in the championship and then a following £110m this season just past upon promotion to the PL so it’s not as if he was competing with a squad that lacked investment. Far from it - ultimately they were not good enough and naive tactically.  

For me it is almost a certainty that the Pep factor has heavily contributed to Kompany and Maresca’s appointments. And will contribute to many others in the future, as it no doubt did with Arteta (although he had huge links and connections to Arsenal from his playing career). 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,799]

The club should really try their match the team philosophy closely to first team for call ups. 
 

 

[Vesper 30,083]

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,799]

Today is the day.

 

[milka 3,390]

No interview, presentation or anything to say apparently he is somewhere in Clownlake asylum  learning how to play 443 .

Edited July 3, 2024 by milka

[Special Juan 28,090]

He's probably sat with the SD's showing them he can read and write

[Strike 7,474]

28 minutes ago, milka said:

No interview, presentation or anything to say apparently he is somewhere in Clownlake asylum  learning how to play 443 .

I don't care as long as he's working on tactical setups, training drills and convincing Calafiori to join. 

[Fernando 6,585]

That is true, we need to improve on the tactics because at time with Poch we seem all over the place. 

Even though we improve at the end and because of that I think Maresca will benefit. Just need to push us to the next level this season. Should not regress. 

[Pizy 18,848]

It definitely is super weird that we haven’t seen or heard anything from him since his appointment. No press conference, no in-house presentation, no pictures of him around Cobham. Nothing. I’d just like to hear from him and have him describe what his ideas are for certain players.