Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[Laylabelle 9,351]

On 08/12/2023 at 12:54, Fernando said:

Some of you guys are surprised but this is what I expected. A lot of inconsistency this sea but we should improve by next. 

Tbf they are quite consistent at not winning...

[TheHulk 1,855]

Time to go Tottenham merchant.

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

All I am saying is they better have a contingency plan. Sack him when the time is right. 

[DDA 9,690]

Where I feel Potch fucked up massively, was from the start of the season when he selected the squad. For me, he sent the wrong players out on loan and has put faith in others who haven't repaid him. Ontop of of which we have backed a striker who just clearly isn't up to the standard we thought he would be. 

I mean, Casadei, Santos, Angelo all showed real promise in pre-season. They looked hungry and were coming into the season off the back of good U21 World Cup campaigns. There was a real buzz of excitement among the fans and the squad in general. Angelo was posting on his social media's how excited he was to bring trophies to this club. He showed flashes of real class on the right wing interchanging with Casedi and Wackson. Santos showed calmness and direct passing going forward with Casadei looking like a proper box to box midfielder. Then all of a sudden all 3 were being told to gain experience elsewhere. Potch is the expert not me.. but fuck me, surely they couldn't have been this bad.

 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

Yeah not feeling that Poch is going to get us anywhere.

Saying our reality is mid table after a £1 billion pound spend makes either him look bad or the recruitment look bad.

Something has to give, preferably the recruitment guys IMO but I think theres more chance Poch will go before they do. 

[Special Juan 27,424]

This board are that fucking stupid they will probably fire Poch and hire Rooney

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

I would give him 2 full seasons before any judgement. 

Spurs finished 6th in season before his arrival.

First season with him 5th place and Cup final.

Second season 3rd place and in third season 2nd place with 86 points. 

Top4 in 2 more seasons with CL final.

But again I think Potter deserved 2 full seasons as well. Look at Dyche and Howe doing amazing.

[Blue Armour 4,278]

54 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I would give him 2 full seasons before any judgement. 

Spurs finished 6th in season before his arrival.

First season with him 5th place and Cup final.

Second season 3rd place and in third season 2nd place with 86 points. 

Top4 in 2 more seasons with CL final.

But again I think Potter deserved 2 full seasons as well. Look at Dyche and Howe doing amazing.

Dyche and Howe took their teams forward as soon as they joined.

So did Poch at Spurs.

Potter was going in full reverse and smiling all the way.

[Fernando 6,453]

I'm with @NikkiCFCwe need to give another season to Poch. 

The team is inconsistent and need another season. With Potter we never saw the games we saw against City, Arsenal and what not. So there's room to work. 

Give him time because no one will do better at this time and the board buying young players all the time....

[TheHulk 1,855]

Can't believe some want this guy around for at least 2 years, the guy is basically asking for another midfielder when Lavia hasn't even played yet to judge his level.

[robsblubot 3,502]

6 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Can't believe some want this guy around for at least 2 years, the guy is basically asking for another midfielder when Lavia hasn't even played yet to judge his level.

Because by the time Lavia gets to play a game of football, and we find out he's yet another nobody (I meant "project"), Posh will be gone (as you want), so exactly how waiting for this fabled player with nothing yet done in the game helps a manager under pressure?

[TheHulk 1,855]

13 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Because by the time Lavia gets to play a game of football, and we find out he's yet another nobody (I meant "project"), Posh will be gone (as you want), so exactly how waiting for this fabled player with nothing yet done in the game helps a manager under pressure?

He had Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Santos, Carney, Casadei, Conor, Ugo in pre season.

Are you telling me he couldn't make a functional midfield from this and needs another one? I get a couple got injured but other managers make due with nobodies in midfield.

Reminds me when every single fan said the squad is pure dross before Tuchel came in and immediately improved many of the players, I get this squad is abysmal but he hasn't improved anyone, if anything most regressed even more under him.

Edited December 12, 2023 by TheHulk

[Mário César 975]

poch is not the problem

squad aren't good enough. simple as that. mainly in our attack. we have lack of goals and this manifests in our game

[robsblubot 3,502]

1 hour ago, TheHulk said:

He had Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Santos, Carney, Casadei, Conor, Ugo in pre season.

Are you telling me he couldn't make a functional midfield from this and needs another one? I get a couple got injured but other managers make due with nobodies in midfield.

Reminds me when every single fan said the squad is pure dross before Tuchel came in and immediately improved many of the players, I get this squad is abysmal but he hasn't improved anyone, if anything most regressed even more under him.

Such unanimous opinion does not and never exited. I certainly did not think the players were bad. That roster was A LOT stronger than this.

The problem with fans is exactly this, "He had Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Santos, Carney, Casadei, Conor, Ugo in pre season." (Lavia and Santos - big question marks)
Do you realize you cited one world class player? All the top teams in the PL have world class players, some more than one. That's the issue here: the PL is the best league in the world right now, which means the level is super high.

Our players can improve and become better; some may yet become world class players yet, like Caicedo and Palmer, for ex. Right now they aren't tho. Right now they are no better than what the opposition has. Actually, right now they are just younger and more inexperienced than what the opposition has, so we are at a constant disadvantage.

We have players in our roster, some of which often start matches, who would be interchangeable with their counterpart at Brighton (some of which came from there).

Hey options are opinions, but IMO aside from the small, and short-lived bump in performance (from the managerial change high), the next manager will not succeed with the roster. My reply to you was about Lavia and yet another nobody 19yo who will make an immediate impact... he will likely not.

[robsblubot 3,502]

26 minutes ago, Mário César said:

poch is not the problem

squad aren't good enough. simple as that. mainly in our attack. we have lack of goals and this manifests in our game

yup and I think it's a bit more serious than that, but the biggest weakness is the attack and the lack of options. If one of our attacking players isn't in good form, well too bad he has to play anyway--not much different in other positions.

To your point, we had the best opportunities against Everton, but did not have the quality to put the ball back in the net. Goals change games, and it's hard for us to chase results right now; we don't have the experience and calmness to do that.

[TheHulk 1,855]

15 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Such unanimous opinion does not and never exited. I certainly did not think the players were bad. That roster was A LOT stronger than this.

The problem with fans is exactly this, "He had Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Santos, Carney, Casadei, Conor, Ugo in pre season." (Lavia and Santos - big question marks)
Do you realize you cited one world class player? All the top teams in the PL have world class players, some more than one. That's the issue here: the PL is the best league in the world right now, which means the level is super high.

Our players can improve and become better; some may yet become world class players yet, like Caicedo and Palmer, for ex. Right now they aren't tho. Right now they are no better than what the opposition has. Actually, right now they are just younger and more inexperienced than what the opposition has, so we are at a constant disadvantage.

We have players in our roster, some of which often start matches, who would be interchangeable with their counterpart at Brighton (some of which came from there).

Hey options are opinions, but IMO aside from the small, and short-lived bump in performance (from the managerial change high), the next manager will not succeed with the roster. My reply to you was about Lavia and yet another nobody 19yo who will make an immediate impact... he will likely not.

How many world class midfielders does United, Tottenham and Liverpool have?

You realize Caicedo was delivering the goods last season and everyone was praising him and now suddenly he is to young and lacks experience, this is on Poch.

Even if we get another midfield it will be another young one so won't change much. 

[Blue Armour 4,278]

3 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Such unanimous opinion does not and never exited. I certainly did not think the players were bad. That roster was A LOT stronger than this.

The problem with fans is exactly this, "He had Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Santos, Carney, Casadei, Conor, Ugo in pre season." (Lavia and Santos - big question marks)
Do you realize you cited one world class player? All the top teams in the PL have world class players, some more than one. That's the issue here: the PL is the best league in the world right now, which means the level is super high.

Our players can improve and become better; some may yet become world class players yet, like Caicedo and Palmer, for ex. Right now they aren't tho. Right now they are no better than what the opposition has. Actually, right now they are just younger and more inexperienced than what the opposition has, so we are at a constant disadvantage.

We have players in our roster, some of which often start matches, who would be interchangeable with their counterpart at Brighton (some of which came from there).

Hey options are opinions, but IMO aside from the small, and short-lived bump in performance (from the managerial change high), the next manager will not succeed with the roster. My reply to you was about Lavia and yet another nobody 19yo who will make an immediate impact... he will likely not.

Exactly this.

It doesn't matter how much potential this squad has.

We are the youngest squad in the league and every match we start at a disadvantage because of this.

The Everton team that beat us aren't classy by any means, but they are more street smart than our lot.

All they had to do is wait for the opportunity and punish, because our lot aren't decisive enough in the final third.

Reminds me of how late 2000s era Chelsea used to smack Wengers young Gunners team for fun.

Maybe things CAN improve if Nkunku miraculously hits top form quickly enough on return and doesn't suffer setbacks

Because that is one player who IS decisive in the final third., and can punish the opposition.

But until then - this will be the state of the team.

[robsblubot 3,502]

4 hours ago, TheHulk said:

How many world class midfielders does United, Tottenham and Liverpool have?

You realize Caicedo was delivering the goods last season and everyone was praising him and now suddenly he is to young and lacks experience, this is on Poch.

Even if we get another midfield it will be another young one so won't change much. 

Please read the exchange above about youth, potential, and current ability. Their potential does not enter the pitch.

With that out of the way, United has about the same quality, or the lack thereof that we have; they do have better options on the wings tho. So, we went to their home and lost the match. 🤷‍♂️

Caicedo was a big fish in a small pond. I addressed that in a different thread. When players move up they need to adapt: have less of the ball, pass the ball more quickly, and not run as much with the football. All this is required of Caicedo... Didn't Cucu look a lot better also? It's a very common trend actually, which makes me think expecting Lavia to deliver the goods at this time is just fantasy. If you think playing for Brighton (or Southampton) and Chelsea is the same, then we have a big disagreement here.