Graham Potter Thread

[TheHulk 2,404]

Just now, Fernando said:

If your using Arteta to compare he was very bad for like two seasons if I'm not mistaken. 

Not the best example to make your case.....

Wake me up when Potter wins a trophy at least Arteta came to his senses to park the bus when he saw he doesn't have the players and won a trophy in his first season beating City and us. Potter got manhandled 3 times in the span of two month against City.

People should stop already pointing to Arteta's first 2 season to defend Potter, Arteta had no coaching experience, Potter has been coaching for 15 years already, Arteta won the FA cup in his first season beating City and Chelsea back to back, Potter got destroyed by City 3 times already, Arteta had a worse squad than us this season when he started at Arsenal.

[Hashishi 148]

7 minutes ago, Fernando said:

If your using Arteta to compare he was very bad for like two seasons if I'm not mistaken. 

Not the best example to make your case.....

I think he means in terms of adaptability, at least he changed things since he started. He started with a back 3 and switched to a 4 after signing Jesus and Zinny. Partey helped this transition too. I would forgive Potter if he didn't insist on Mount and Gallagher as 8s no matter our team. 

[Gundalf 805]

21 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

The idea is that coaches can come right in and imprint a style of play from the get go, Klopp did this, Tuchel did this, Diche did this.

Potter? 6 months in and there are no attacking drills in training, doesn't even bother parking the bus if he knows he doesn't have the players, even Arteta saw this and changed until he got the players to attack.

Klopp did this?? Klopp was called "Klopp the flop" by media and especially Liverpool fans during his whole first year. It took him more than 2 years to transform Liverpool into a team that can win titles. 

[TheHulk 2,404]

1 minute ago, Gundalf said:

Klopp did this?? Klopp was called "Klopp the flop" by media and especially Liverpool fans during his whole first year. It took him more than 2 years to transform Liverpool into a team that can win titles. 

Yeah because he was playing a high line and his defense was conceding from everywhere but in terms of style it was obvious from his first season how he wanted to play. Also his Liverpool squad when he first started was absolutely shambles, our squad this season was still miles better even with the injuries.

If Potter was showing something in his style I bet a lot wouldn't complain about him that much this season but so far there is no intent and no style, just a bunch of clueless players on the field who have no idea what they doing.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

3 hours ago, Gundalf said:

Because no one can assess his work. Guy jumped in in September, had no squad for weeks during and after the world cup and had only half of the squad available since then. Did Potter even have a single full training week with the whole squad yet?

To say Potter has failed already and shouting for a sack based on the given circumstances is just dubious and populist. 

Tbf anyone with eyes can assess his work.  Not good enough

[Gundalf 805]

13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf anyone with eyes can assess his work.  Not good enough

I think non of us here has the competence in football to assess that. We know far less about football than we think and wish we do.

In the end, it doesnt matter what we think anyway. The times of early manager sackings are over and Potter will be here for the whole of 2023. 

[gdlk 286]

Actually some people have some clue over  that alien called football, and telling you we are dissaateous under Harry Potter, they dont lie.. We have zero improvement in playing style

[Hashishi 148]

Here is my two cents.

Morale was low at the end of tuchels reign for a number of seasons (club sanctions, not enough offensive training, certain players being frozen out like ziyech). This bled into the start of the season combined with the shit buys we got over the summer, ended up with a change of manager. This was especially due to friction between Tuchel and the hierarchy. 

Potter was hired because he was the 'best' option at the time. The stars aligned perfectly with Brighton challenging for Europa spots and no other class manager being availible. He was perfect to spout this vision crap and go along with the hierarchys wishes (a yes man). 

6 months later, nothing has changed. We are still playing the same dull football with 1 Cross and Silva bailing us out every game. Morale is still low, hence the need for a mental coach. WE ARE 9TH IN THE LEAGUE WITH 2 WINS IN 11. It isn't even about instant impact anymore, it is about whether potter will leave any impact on the squad at all.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

Tired of reading the same old shit, most in here have defended ever other manager at different teams when they didn't start well, klopp and pep included in this, with this stupid "you could see what they was trying to do" bullshit argument! That's bollocks the reason you defend them is because you are not emotionally involved... Fact, some 1 stated above potter won 7/10 games before wold cup and injuries not forgetting the fact he tore AC Milan a new arse Hole twice, "before the injuries" I get alot of you don't like him that's fine that your opinion, but don't base that opinion on what you have seen so far, it's widely talked about that potter hasn't had anywhere near enough time with this team than most managers when they take over because of how busy it has been, he's only just got what we can class as "HIS" players in. Cuca, sterling ,kk, auba all TT signings. Now for the playing mount Connor havertz argument I'll but this as simpleton as I can, EVERYONE ELES HAS BEEN FUCKING INJURED. from now on judge potter his players in, players are comming back, he will finally have a proper midfield and finally a proper back line, and 3 new attacking signings. Judging a manager during the worst injury crisis we have had in a long time and a mid season world cup, is to push your own narrative and nothing more.

Also I will add @Vesper thought you was better than this, potter was a highly rated choice of yours and you have let the class of Muppets on here turn your head.

Edited February 7, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

1 hour ago, Gundalf said:

I think non of us here has the competence in football to assess that. We know far less about football than we think and wish we do.

In the end, it doesnt matter what we think anyway. The times of early manager sackings are over and Potter will be here for the whole of 2023. 

Footballs a game of opinions. I don’t think it would be wrong to say we’ve made no real progress under Potter. 

A handful of games aside, performances haven’t been good enough. Not at all. But yeah lets use 2 CL games against AC Milan 4 months ago as a good barometer as opposed to a lot of performances since then where we really have struggled against poor sides - not even considering the big teams. 

If we want to make real progress not only quicker but with the aim of becoming a top top team over a sustained period, we will need to replace Potter. 100%.

Edited February 7, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Hashishi 148]

17 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Tired of reading the same old shit, most in here have defended ever other manager at different teams when they didn't start well, klopp and pep included in this, with this stupid "you could see what they was trying to do" bullshit argument! That's bollocks the reason you defend them is because you are not emotionally involved... Fact, some 1 stated above potter won 7/10 games before wold cup and injuries not forgetting the fact he tore AC Milan a new arse Hole twice, "before the injuries" I get alot of you don't like him that's fine that your opinion, but don't base that opinion on what you have seen so far, it's widely talked about that potter hasn't had anywhere near enough time with this team than most managers when they take over because of how busy it has been, he's only just got what we can class as "HIS" players in. Cuca, sterling ,kk, auba all TT signings. Now for the playing mount Connor havertz argument I'll but this as simpleton as I can, EVERYONE ELES HAS BEEN FUCKING INJURED. from now on judge potter his players in, players are comming back, he will finally have a proper midfield and finally a proper back line, and 3 new attacking signings. Judging a manager during the worst injury crisis we have had in a long time and a mid season world cup, is to push your own narrative and nothing more.

Also I will add @Vesper thought you was better than this, potter was a highly rated choice of yours and you have let the class of Muppets on here turn your head.

1. The difference is Pep, Guardiola and even De Zerbi brought in a new style of play and it was evident what they wanted to do, even if they were conceding loads (kind of reminds me how we should've stuck with Sarri after the 6-0 with city as at least he had a style of play he wanted to implement). Potter has shown no style of play, no niche in which he excels (e.g. Klopp and Tuchels pressing or Peps Tiki Taka) and no in-game tactical nuance a la mourinho.

2. I am still fuming after that Milan game, after being 3-0 up in the reverse fixture and winning 2-0, he should've been smart enough to take James/Chilwell off at 60' before they got injured. Tuchel made the same mistake against Juve the year before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but I would've rated Potter more if he had dodged this landmine. 

3. Cucu is his player (and a sensible backup) although I won't argue the FB situation is dire when both James and Chiwell are out. I will finish off by saying that even with 'his' players, I don't think Potter will achieve anything by the end of the season. That is why I'm #PotterOut.

[Vesper 30,088]

25 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Tired of reading the same old shit, most in here have defended ever other manager at different teams when they didn't start well, klopp and pep included in this, with this stupid "you could see what they was trying to do" bullshit argument! That's bollocks the reason you defend them is because you are not emotionally involved... Fact, some 1 stated above potter won 7/10 games before wold cup and injuries not forgetting the fact he tore AC Milan a new arse Hole twice, "before the injuries" I get alot of you don't like him that's fine that your opinion, but don't base that opinion on what you have seen so far, it's widely talked about that potter hasn't had anywhere near enough time with this team than most managers when they take over because of how busy it has been, he's only just got what we can class as "HIS" players in. Cuca, sterling ,kk, auba all TT signings. Now for the playing mount Connor havertz argument I'll but this as simpleton as I can, EVERYONE ELES HAS BEEN FUCKING INJURED. from now on judge potter his players in, players are comming back, he will finally have a proper midfield and finally a proper back line, and 3 new attacking signings. Judging a manager during the worst injury crisis we have had in a long time and a mid season world cup, is to push your own narrative and nothing more.

Also I will add @Vesper thought you was better than this, potter was a highly rated choice of yours and you have let the class of Muppets on here turn your head.

I don't think he is up to the task

I admit I was wrong about his ability to take it up to big club level

his offensive schemes are shit so far

and no, my head was not turned by the class of muppets, lol

I take zero pleasure in seeing Potter bollocks shit up

we are losing or drawing with vastly inferior teams, even with our injuries

that all said

I do not see him be sacked atm

IF we keep losing and slide down to near the relegation zone, then yes

but I just cannot see that happening

IF it does, Potter is truly a shit manager

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

12 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

1. The difference is Pep, Guardiola and even De Zerbi brought in a new style of play and it was evident what they wanted to do, even if they were conceding loads (kind of reminds me how we should've stuck with Sarri after the 6-0 with city as at least he had a style of play he wanted to implement). Potter has shown no style of play, no niche in which he excels (e.g. Klopp and Tuchels pressing or Peps Tiki Taka) and no in-game tactical nuance a la mourinho.

2. I am still fuming after that Milan game, after being 3-0 up in the reverse fixture and winning 2-0, he should've been smart enough to take James/Chilwell off at 60' before they got injured. Tuchel made the same mistake against Juve the year before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but I would've rated Potter more if he had dodged this landmine. 

3. Cucu is his player (and a sensible backup) although I won't argue the FB situation is dire when both James and Chiwell are out. I will finish off by saying that even with 'his' players, I don't think Potter will achieve anything by the end of the season. That is why I'm #PotterOut.

If, buts, maybes... Change the fucking record lad

[Hashishi 148]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

If, buts, maybes... Change the fucking record lad

BUT IF Pep leaves City, MAYBE we should sign him instead

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

12 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

BUT IF Pep leaves City, MAYBE we should sign him instead

I'd stop right there, we ain't getting pep IF pep leaves man city he isn't going to any football club any time soon! I would get that out your head.