Chelsea Transfers

[King Kante 1,643]

Just reading through the pages and it is funny. 10 months ago we all thought that the squad would need a massive overhaul and it would require us to be canny and bide our time for 2-3 years. Now the majority think it is a case of a DM plus a CB and we are set for years. 

[Vesper 30,260]

only players I actually am 100% in for atm

CB José Giménez (only if he puts together a long fully healthy run)  or
CB Marquinhos   (can play DMF as well, Agent Thiago perhaps?)

DMF  Declan Rice (CB as well, he is deffo coming, I have no doubt and I rate him, Zakaria had another set back with his knee, I am scared off him)

DMF/CMF Eduardo Camavinga (absolutely unique player, he would be a fucking terror here under Lamps, he turns 18 on Tuesday) or Jude Bellingham

SS/RW/AMF  Paulo Dybala (he is unhappy at Juve and super versatile) or Hiving Lozano

CF Erling Håland (contract is until 2024 so doubt he moves next summer, he is insanely good, soon, IMHO, if he keeps improving, will be the 2d best player on the planet after Mbappe, This is my long range dream signing, doubt he comes here though, but I would take him over Sancho or any other young player, save for Mbappe, which is never happening, lolol)

 

that's it for me

simple, narrowed down, ultra high level, all are WC players or damn near

 

 

 

 

 

[King Kante 1,643]

48 minutes ago, Vesper said:

only players I actually am 100% in for atm

CB José Giménez (only if he puts together a long fully healthy run)  or
CB Marquinhos   (can play DMF as well, Agent Thiago perhaps?)

DMF  Declan Rice (CB as well, he is deffo coming, I have no doubt and I rate him, Zakaria had another set back with knee, I am scared off him)

DMF/CMF Eduardo Camavinga (absolutely unique player, he would be a fucking terror here under Lamps, he turns 18 on Tuesday)

SS/RW/AMF  Paulo Dybala (he is unhappy at Juve and super versatile)

CF Erling Håland (contract is until 2024 so doubt he moves next summer, he is insane, soon, IMHO, if he keeps improving, will be the 2d best player on the planet after Mbappe, thsi is my long range dream signing, doubt he comes here, but I would take him over Sancho or any other young player, save for Mbappe, which is never happening, lolol)

 

that's it for me

simple, narrowed down, ultra high level, all are WC players or damn near

 

 

 

 

 

Haaland could become better than Mbappe. His scoring record is insane.

As for his contract his buy out kicks in during Summer 2022. €65m. I have been thinking to myself for a while, if we can bed in all the new signings and have Mount and James become legitimate first XI players (and possibly Gilmour) by 2022, we should be a very attractive option for him. I mean, our first XI squad in at the start of 2022/23 could include: James (22), Chilwell (25), Harvetz (23), Mount (23), Rice (24) (I think he comes next Summee) and Puli (23). At that point Haaland would still only be 22 that could be a serious squad for a decade. That is also before we get to CHO (22), Gilmour (21) and Ampadu (23) who should all be knocking around the swuad or in the first XI depending on progress. 

Only real concern will be CB as Silva will be 38 by then, and whilst Zouma is playing well at the moment, we need to see if he has actually improved/improving or if it is because he is having his hand held by Silva. If we can sort a real long term CB1 then we should be laughing. 

[Styl1994 188]

Thoughts on Berge from Sheffield United if we can’t sign Rice.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

58 minutes ago, Styl1994 said:

Thoughts on Berge from Sheffield United if we can’t sign Rice.

i like that he is huge and relatively quick on straight distances but he is less surprisingly a bit clumsy, not very nimble. He is poor at controlling the ball but at least is a decent passer. Bit of a Norwegian McTominay,I do not think he has a high ceiling. Sheffield is a team without stars. If Berge was any good, he would stand out more. Rice is streets ahead not only stats wise.

[Vesper 30,260]

47 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

i like that he is huge and relatively quick on straight distances but he is less surprisingly a bit clumsy, not very nimble. He is poor at controlling the ball but at least is a decent passer. Bit of a Norwegian McTominay,I do not think he has a high ceiling. Sheffield is a team without stars. If Berge was any good, he would stand out more. Rice is streets ahead not only stats wise.

perfect comparison

hard pass

[Vesper 30,260]

1 hour ago, Styl1994 said:

Thoughts on Berge from Sheffield United if we can’t sign Rice.

pass, he is not elite level

only Norwegian I want down the road is Håland (I can but dream)

[Blues Forever 1,232]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

only players I actually am 100% in for atm

CB José Giménez (only if he puts together a long fully healthy run)  or
CB Marquinhos   (can play DMF as well, Agent Thiago perhaps?)

DMF  Declan Rice (CB as well, he is deffo coming, I have no doubt and I rate him, Zakaria had another set back with his knee, I am scared off him)

DMF/CMF Eduardo Camavinga (absolutely unique player, he would be a fucking terror here under Lamps, he turns 18 on Tuesday)

SS/RW/AMF  Paulo Dybala (he is unhappy at Juve and super versatile)

CF Erling Håland (contract is until 2024 so doubt he moves next summer, he is insanely good, soon, IMHO, if he keeps improving, will be the 2d best player on the planet after Mbappe, This is my long range dream signing, doubt he comes here though, but I would take him over Sancho or any other young player, save for Mbappe, which is never happening, lolol)

 

that's it for me

simple, narrowed down, ultra high level, all are WC players or damn near

 

 

 

 

 

The only realistic signing for next summer is Rice, the rest are almost impossible.

[Vesper 30,260]

7 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

The only realistic signing for next summer is Rice, the rest are almost impossible.

I am sure we make a run at a WC CB and those 2 are the only ones I rate who can be possible taken. Marquinhos can be poached, PSG are going to be broken up in terms of pure WC (Mbappe, Neymar will leave, Di Maria is rapidly ageing, and I think one or more of the huge teams who are not named Chels (Barca, Real, Juve, Shitty, Pool, Manure, Bayern or maybe AM) make a move for Verratti. . I love Romagnoli too, but he is so not leaving AC Milan. Upamecano has looked shambolic as of late. Varane has fallen off a cliff overall, even with Ramos for some bizarre reason,

Camavinga is also in the realm of possibility, IF he can sell him on the project..

We are still short a winger, and Dybala is the only left footer I really rate, plus we can pay all over the fronf and MF )amd or RMF/LMF)

Dybala would be the last one in terms of my desire out of the 5 positions. There just are not a lot of wingers out there that are great quality and who are both available and who are not a huge dice roll (like Ousmane Dembele, who is a dice roll deluxe, BUT if he was cheap, (£40m or under) might be worth a shot)

I said Håland was a dream shot and probably isn't moving next summer (although he might) ad I doubt would come, but he is too good to not list

 

So I deffo think that one of those two CBs and Camavinga (plus Rice) can be done. We have a shedload of swap and sell bait. I will even back off selling Zouma and toss in Rudiger along with AC as one of the ones who need to be shipped. Thiago and Marquinhos (Gimenez as well, but not that those two's level) are so good on the ball that they can make up for that weakness in Zouma, plus Camaviga and Rice help as well.

 

Ultra wild card play:

IF we simply cannot do either Marquinhos or Gimenez, go for Ramos on a free! Yes he will be 35 then, but for 2 or 3 years he still will be WC. He probably will never leave RM though.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

38 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am sure we make a run at a WC CB and those 2 are the only ones I rate who can be possible taken. Marquinhos can be poached, PSG are going to be broken up in terms of pure WC (Mbappe, Neymar will leave, Di Maria is rapidly ageing, and I think one or more of the huge teams who are not named Chels (Barca, Real, Juve, Shitty, Pool, Manure, Bayern or maybe AM) make a move for Verratti. . I love Romagnoli too, but he is so not leaving AC Milan. Upamecano has looked shambolic as of late. Varane has fallen off a cliff overall, even with Ramos for some bizarre reason,

Camavinga is also in the realm of possibility, IF he can sell him on the project..

We are still short a winger, and Dybala is the only left footer I really rate, plus we can pay all over the fronf and MF )amd or RMF/LMF)

Dybala would be the last one in terms of my desire out of the 5 positions. There just are not a lot of wingers out there that are great quality and who are both available and who are not a huge dice roll (like Ousmane Dembele, who is a dice roll deluxe, BUT if he was cheap, (£40m or under) might be worth a shot)

I said Håland was a dream shot and probably isn't moving next summer (although he might) ad I doubt would come, but he is too good to not list

 

So I deffo think that one of those two CBs and Camavinga (plus Rice) can be done. We have a shedload of swap and sell bait. I will even back off selling Zouma and toss in Rudiger along with AC as one of the ones who need to be shipped. Thiago and Marquinhos (Gimenez as well, but not that those two's level) are so good on the ball that they can make up for that weakness in Zouma, plus Camaviga and Rice help as well.

 

Ultra wild card play:

IF we simply cannot do either Marquinhos or Gimenez, go for Ramos on a free! Yes he will be 35 then, but for 2 or 3 years he still will be WC. He probably will never leave RM though.

Dybala has been bang average as a winger, his best position is SS/no.10.  Many big clubs will want Camavinga and if Madrid also after him i don't see we will win. As for Gimenez, i don't think we will pay 120m to Atletico without an installment in this pandemic.  PSG won't sell Marquinhos too because he is the only WC CB they have atm.

[blu35_army 551]

yes,,we must sign Rice next summer. and if we can get FA or PL title this season maybe roman would spent more for Jimenez/Romagnoli (80 mp) and Haaland (65 mp),,then we can talk as a serious UCL contender....

[Vesper 30,260]

11 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Dybala has been bang average as a winger, his best position is SS/no.10.  Many big clubs will want Camavinga and if Madrid also after him i don't see we will win. As for Gimenez, i don't think we will pay 120m to Atletico without an installment in this pandemic.  PSG won't sell Marquinhos too because he is the only WC CB they have atm.

ZERO chance Gimenez will cost 120m euros (£108m) (yes I know that is his RC, but Simeone has fallen out with him to a point and I think 90m (£80m) or so would take him, IF we were willing to drop that much)

no CB on the planet would command that, now that VVD is out until he is 30yo (bad injuries and turning 30yo devalue a player badly)

and I truly think we have a shot at Camavinga (he idolises Kante, and Kante is now not leaving next summer I wager, it is not worth the vastly reduced amount we will get for him, I think we just hold him until he is too old, as long as he stays healthy), and a shot at Marquinhos.(IF he puts in a request if most of their big WC guns leave)

I am not going to lose my mind if we fail on them, but will be pissed if we do not a play for them all (well one of the 2 CB's)

Time will tell. and I am only listing the players I actually rate as WC and who we at least have even a remote shot at.

(I rate Mbappe, he isn't coming, I rate Laporte, he isn't coming, I rate Romagnoli, he isn't coming, I rate Saúl Ñíguez, he isn't coming, I rate Sancho, he isn't coming, I rate De Bruyne, he isn't coming (and we had him, gggr) I rate Kimmich, he isn't coming, I rate Alphonso Davies, he isn't coming, I rate Frenkie de Jong, he isn't coming, I rate Phil Foden, he isn't coming, I rate Rashford, he isn't coming, I rate Mason Greenwood, he isn't coming, I rate João Félix, he isn't coming, I rate Lukaku, he isn't coming, that ship has sailed, I rate Sadio mane, but he will never come and he turns 30yo next Season, I rate Ansu Fati, and he isn't coming, I rate Lewa and he isn't coming and is far too old to buy next year for what Bayern would demand to part with him., I rate de Ligt, he isn't coming, I rate Casemiro, he isn't coming, I rate Sandro Tonali, he isn't coming, I rate Saka, but I so doubt Arse would sell him, let alone to us. I rate Gnabry, he isn't coming, I rate Kane, he isn't coming (I can hear the rage now, lol)

There is a name I did leave off the first list

CMF Houssem Aouar, but we are a bit overloaded then at CMF/AMF

Finally, 2 names, and because the only turned17 and 18yo respectively, several months back , we can wait, and who I DO want badly here down the road are Jude Bellingham and/or Ryan Gravenberch (both who can play DMF too)

 

 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

pass, he is not elite level

only Norwegian I want down the road is Håland (I can but dream)

Oh what I would give to get Haland.... 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

ZERO chance Gimenez will cost 120m euros (£108m) (yes I know that is his RC, but Simeone has fallen out with him to a point and I think 90m (£80m) or so would take him, IF we were willing to drop that much)

no CB on the planet would command that, now that VVD is out until he is 30yo (bad injuries and turning 30yo devalue a player badly)

and I truly think we have a shot at Camavinga (he idolises Kante, and Kante is now not leaving next summer I wager, it is not worth the vastly reduced amount we will get for him, I think we just hold him until he is too old, as long as he stays healthy), and a shot at Marquinhos.(IF he puts in a request if most of their big WC guns leave)

No reliable source are reporting Gimenez has fallen out with Simeone. Atletico also mostly never sold their best players below buyout clauses (Partey, Griezmann, Hernandez, Falcao, and Costa). Real Madrid main targets for next summer are Mbappe and Camavinga according to their most reliable journos, i don't see anyone beating them unless Madrid suddenly broke.

[Vesper 30,260]

23 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

No reliable source are reporting Gimenez has fallen out with Simeone. Atletico also mostly never sold their best players below buyout clauses (Partey, Griezmann, Hernandez, Falcao, and Costa). Real Madrid main targets for next summer are Mbappe and Camavinga according to their most reliable journos, i don't see anyone beating them unless Madrid suddenly broke.

Felipe passed him up in the pecking order often times

It probably will not happen

I cannot see us dumping out 90m, 100m on a CB

all I am saying is that those two are the only ones I truly rate atm 

[King Kante 1,643]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

ZERO chance Gimenez will cost 120m euros (£108m) (yes I know that is his RC, but Simeone has fallen out with him to a point and I think 90m (£80m) or so would take him, IF we were willing to drop that much)

no CB on the planet would command that, now that VVD is out until he is 30yo (bad injuries and turning 30yo devalue a player badly)

and I truly think we have a shot at Camavinga (he idolises Kante, and Kante is now not leaving next summer I wager, it is not worth the vastly reduced amount we will get for him, I think we just hold him until he is too old, as long as he stays healthy), and a shot at Marquinhos.(IF he puts in a request if most of their big WC guns leave)

I am not going to lose my mind if we fail on them, but will be pissed if we do not a play for them all (well one of the 2 CB's)

Time will tell. and I am only listing the players I actually rate as WC and who we at least have even a remote shot at.

(I rate Mbappe, he isn't coming, I rate Laporte, he isn't coming, I rate Romagnoli, he isn't coming, I rate Saúl Ñíguez, he isn't coming, I rate Sancho, he isn't coming, I rate De Bruyne, he isn't coming (and we had him, gggr) I rate Kimmich, he isn't coming, I rate Alphonso Davies, he isn't coming, I rate Frenkie de Jong, he isn't coming, I rate Phil Foden, he isn't coming, I rate Rashford, he isn't coming, I rate Mason Greenwood, he isn't coming, I rate João Félix, he isn't coming, I rate Lukaku, he isn't coming, that ship has sailed, I rate Sadio mane, but he will never come and he turns 30yo next Season, I rate Ansu Fati, and he isn't coming, I rate Lewa and he isn't coming and is far too old to buy next year for what Bayern would demand to part with him., I rate de Ligt, he isn't coming, I rate Casemiro, he isn't coming, I rate Sandro Tonali, he isn't coming, I rate Saka, but I so doubt Arse would sell him, let alone to us. I rate Gnabry, he isn't coming, I rate Kane, he isn't coming (I can hear the rage now, lol)

There is a name I did leave off the first list

CMF Houssem Aouar, but we are a bit overloaded then at CMF/AMF

Finally, 2 names, and because the only turned17 and 18yo respectively, several months back , we can wait, and who I DO want badly here down the road are Jude Bellingham and/or Ryan Gravenberch (both who can play DMF too)

 

 

Once we get Rice I think that is Camavinga off the table. At that point we would have something like 12 midfielders: Kante, Mount, Rice, Kovacic, Jorgi, Gilmour, Barkley, RLC, Drinky, Amapdu, Gallagher, Harvetz. That would mean we need to shift 5-6 players as it is, no way do we add another. 

At CB, it is difficult. Upamecano was looking promising but is currently looking a disaster. Gimenez is too injury prone to want to build your defence around him and then players such as Varane are also dipping. Ramos is someone I would consider but again he is only going to be a one/two year solution. Ginter for me is probably most likely. 

Personally, I think only DM and CM will see any movement in the next 12 months. There could possibly be a new AM but I think that is unlikely until there is a cull at CM as I suspect Mount and Harvetz will be played there if we get desperate. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

5 hours ago, King Kante said:

Once we get Rice I think that is Camavinga off the table. At that point we would have something like 12 midfielders: Kante, Mount, Rice, Kovacic, Jorgi, Gilmour, Barkley, RLC, Drinky, Amapdu, Gallagher, Harvetz. That would mean we need to shift 5-6 players as it is, no way do we add another. 

At CB, it is difficult. Upamecano was looking promising but is currently looking a disaster. Gimenez is too injury prone to want to build your defence around him and then players such as Varane are also dipping. Ramos is someone I would consider but again he is only going to be a one/two year solution. Ginter for me is probably most likely. 

Personally, I think only DM and CM will see any movement in the next 12 months. There could possibly be a new AM but I think that is unlikely until there is a cull at CM as I suspect Mount and Harvetz will be played there if we get desperate. 

I think we need another winger with real pace who can beat players one-on-one, back-up leftback and back-up goalkeeper. All three should be doable in january. the Rice project can wait for now i guess.

[King Kante 1,643]

17 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I think we need another winger with real pace who can beat players one-on-one, back-up leftback and back-up goalkeeper. All three should be doable in january. the Rice project can wait for now i guess.

At LB we have Alonso and Emerson, who are fine as a back up option this year with the size of our squad and all the players we need to shift. Maatsen is also a young boy with a lot of potential so we should see how he develops this year. Dave can cover LB as well and with James' current progress we should be looking to find him minutes as Dave as a squad option gives us excellent depth. I see him transitioning to a Milner type role which is very handy. 

GK, I cannot see any movement until Summer. Kepa needs to either be shifted or taken out the back and shot, Willy is still knocking about and Cech is now an option. Does this need work in the Summer? For sure, in Jan? Not really. Also, GK2 is normally a easy position to fill as you just need to find a good GK that is hitting 35+ and out of contract/last year and give them a decent wage. 

I agree with AM, which is why I was happy to keep Willian (although I only wanted him for another year.) However, we currently have Puli, Werner, CHO and Ziyech to fill those roles. After that Harvetz and Mount can moonlight in them if required. For me, we need to give this season to the first four before thinking about changes, especially as this will probably mean CHO gets culled as I still have hope for him. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 hours ago, King Kante said:

At LB we have Alonso and Emerson, who are fine as a back up option this year with the size of our squad and all the players we need to shift. Maatsen is also a young boy with a lot of potential so we should see how he develops this year. Dave can cover LB as well and with James' current progress we should be looking to find him minutes as Dave as a squad option gives us excellent depth. I see him transitioning to a Milner type role which is very handy. 

GK, I cannot see any movement until Summer. Kepa needs to either be shifted or taken out the back and shot, Willy is still knocking about and Cech is now an option. Does this need work in the Summer? For sure, in Jan? Not really. Also, GK2 is normally a easy position to fill as you just need to find a good GK that is hitting 35+ and out of contract/last year and give them a decent wage. 

I agree with AM, which is why I was happy to keep Willian (although I only wanted him for another year.) However, we currently have Puli, Werner, CHO and Ziyech to fill those roles. After that Harvetz and Mount can moonlight in them if required. For me, we need to give this season to the first four before thinking about changes, especially as this will probably mean CHO gets culled as I still have hope for him. 

emerson, alonso cant be trusted. we should just shove them out to the reserves same as kepa until we find a buyer or they run down their contracts. there is no redemption for them.

FL clearly does not trust CHO. This means we simply need a new LW to fill in for Pulisic. Werner on the wing will only get you so far.

[Puliiszola 519]

38 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

emerson, alonso cant be trusted. we should just shove them out to the reserves same as kepa until we find a buyer or they run down their contracts. there is no redemption for them.

FL clearly does not trust CHO. This means we simply need a new LW to fill in for Pulisic. Werner on the wing will only get you so far.

Honestly can't understand how anyone can claim that Emerson/Alonso are "fine" as back up options. No sense whatsoever