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7 minutes ago, Stats said:

Astonishing. Both picking up where they left from last season.

if we ever want to be a top 8 to 10 globally  (or higher) big team again we need THAT

no beating  around the bush

they help get us back up to level with the big boys

it is madness to think we can get there with just a core of academy players and a bunch of 'settles'

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7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Where do you get 25m for Werner from? 

From his release clause. 

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This game is just silly!  

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their 3rd string CF Schick

with his 4th goal accounted for in 3 games

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I hope nobody suggests we should buy central defenders from these teams... They are all horrible. 

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11 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

And one of them will leave us after one or two years.

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why? many top teams have two great strikers

RB, IF Werner doesn't leave till summer, will have 4 for 5 months

I so do not buy into the you can only have one good striker

it is madness

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Ever since Sancho got subbed off in that first half against Bayern and his attitude was criticized for turning up late etc, it is like that brought out a reaction. He has scored in every game since and in some cases scored and assisted in multiple games. Defo has made him focus and maybe that level of discipline to drop him from the squad was needed. He is on fire now.

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why? many top teams have two great strikers
RB, IF Werner doesn't leave till summer, will have 4 for 5 months
I so do not buy into the you can only have one good striker
it is madness

Second strikers don't play that much. Real Madrid does not give Jovic time due to the fact that Benzema is their main striker. Jesus only plays right now because Aguero is injured and Jesus moans a lot. Furthermore, he is not as good as he used to be because Aguero was their main striker for so long time and he never got the minutes to get better.
Barcelona plays only Suarez and not even Griezmann gets his Place. Origi also does not play that much because Firminho plays all the time.

Don't forget that the Second striker will only get the easiest opponents, so developtment will be tough. Playing in FA Cup, League Cup and the worst PL Teams will not make you better. This is why Halland is so intelligent because he only wants to play for a Club where he is no. 1. He knows how crucial developtment is Props to him. Also, do not forget that we can't play Tammy One match and the other Werner and then Tammy again and then Werner again. Strikers need consistency.

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FT

what a game!!

best game of the week

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17 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

From his release clause. 

Thats just a rumour though from Kicker. Therr was also rumour he has one that is around 60m euros and it will drop 10m euro each year running upto 2023.... I doubt any club, especially one who are notorious for developing and selling for profit, would be stupid enough to put a 30m euro release clause in a player who has scored the amount of goals he has. Id imagine the 60m would be more realistic than 30m.

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Dortmund were the better side really but they just couldn't keep out the defensive mistakes...again. RB Leipzig were absolutely ruthless with the opportunities given to them. 

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Just now, killer1257 said:

Second strikers don't play that much. Real Madrid does not give Jovic time due to the fact that Benzema is their main striker. Jesus only plays right now because Aguero is injured and Jesus moans a lot. Furthermore, he is not as good as he used to be because Aguero was their main striker for so long time and he never got the minutes to get better.
Barcelona plays only Suarez and not even Griezmann gets his Place. Origi also does not play that much because Firminho plays all the time.

Don't forget that the Second striker will only get the easiest opponents, so developtment will be tough. Playing in FA Cup, League Cup and the worst PL Teams will not make you better. This is why Halland is so intelligent because he only wants to play for a Club where he is no. 1. He knows how crucial developtment is Props to him. Also, do not forget that we can't play Tammy One match and the other Werner and then Tammy again and then Werner again. Strikers need consistency.

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Werner can play winger as well

and I simply do not buy into what you are trying to frame as a given

and I REALLY want to see an option of 2 strikers up front

but by all means

let's just keep Bats as our main option when Tammy cannot go

that will work out just grandly

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On a random note, Julian Weigl seriously looks like Azpi.  

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Timo Werner has a 60 million clause on NEXT SUMMER !!!

But he's the killer I want and we need.
A player of present and future.

If we have to wait for summer, let's wait.

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Werner can play winger as well
and I simply do not buy into what you are trying to frame as a given
and I REALLY want to see an option of 2 strikers up front
but by all means
let's just keep Bats as our main option when Tammy cannot go
that will work out just grandly

I just gave you examples why it does not work and you just say it works without giving me any proof that it works.

Werner is a Second striker and he is s Counter Striker. He really struggles playing CF and that is why even Gnabry for instance plays CF before Werner. Löw sadly only knows 4-2-3-1 since 2010^^.

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24 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Thats just a rumour though from Kicker. Therr was also rumour he has one that is around 60m euros and it will drop 10m euro each year running upto 2023.... I doubt any club, especially one who are notorious for developing and selling for profit, would be stupid enough to put a 30m euro release clause in a player who has scored the amount of goals he has. Id imagine the 60m would be more realistic than 30m.

Not sure what is correct and what isn't, but a fairly low release clause may be realistic as wasn't his contract running down last season and he re-signed.

Perhaps at the time he was willing to re-sign but with a fairly low release clause which would allow him to move to a bigger club when the time is right. That way too at least Leipzig haven't lost him on a free.

I think he's played things perfectly to be honest. How many players are quick to move to bigger clubs too early and get lost in the shuffle and lose momentum. He's stayed and this has been a real break-out year for him, just before the Euros with Germany.

After this, he'll have a pick of clubs or stick where he is.

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Just now, BDTips said:

Timo Werner has a 60 million clause on NEXT SUMMER !!!

But he's the killer I want and we need.
A player of present and future.

If we have to wait for summer, let's wait.

25m quid or 50m

makes hardly any difference to me

BUY HIM

I really do not care if he ends up benching Tammy overall or not (I still say they can play together)

if we are serious about trophies we are talking close to 60 games a year

and lets say we dont do shite or buy a bust ( I am sorry but Dembele of Lyon has overpay/under produce written all over him and will cost £40 or £50m anyway)

and Tammy goes down for a month

ready for a month of Bats lads if we but no one?

I see (taken cumulatively as some people want to sell this one but not that one) arguments on why NONE or almost none of the current squad should be sold

or how we cannot afford to upgrade

well

if we do that (almost nothing of real WC quality an even the, not a lot of buys at all or make wretched buys (which we all know we are capable of)

we will more than likely finish out of the top 4 for sure next year

the team is NOT going to get better if we just stand pat, we have far too much shite on the books to just do a patch job and pray for Zaha to magically turn into Mane or Sterling

 

there is, unfortunately a really HIGH chance that we miss out on ALL of Werner, Sancho, Chilwell, and then a truly WC GK and a truly WC CB

I hope to hell we have other options that do not stop at simply dumping £80m on Zaha, £40m on Ake and then a hope and a prayer striker (and tht may not happen till summer)

and then just wish for the best and cling onto most all of of the rest (minus Giroud and Pedro) including Alonso and Emerson as our LB's (because we missed out on Chilwell and the club wont drop quid on the only couple other top ones (after him there are only 3 other real options, Telles, Gaya, Grimaldo) and Willian renewed for 2 or 3 years (as after the £80m Zaha dump, we say NOPE, no more for wingers, make due and pray CHO recovers)

TBH, I can SO see that happening, with a backup keeper for around £10m and maybe dropping £25m on Ben White (I need to see more of him but he looks very promising) taking our spend up to £195-205m or so (for BOTH windows when a £40-50m dice roll striker is added in)

and then we call it a day (and fob off a 2021 summer buy of Declan Rice as the next big hope)

 

 

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39 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I just gave you examples why it does not work and you just say it works without giving me any proof that it works.

Werner is a Second striker and he is s Counter Striker. He really struggles playing CF and that is why even Gnabry for instance plays CF before Werner. Löw sadly only knows 4-2-3-1 since 2010^^.

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so what striker do you want to buy?

going forward with only Tammy and Bats is asking to crash out of the top 7, if not this year, certainly next

Bats is shit

we have or had some of the worst 35-40m plus cost or were at one time ever valued players in the EPL for the past 8,9, 10 years

Baka

Bats

Drinkwater

Willian, when you factor in we turned down £65m for him

 

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Not always.

Think of the players in Liverpool's current squad that looks like it may break the points record, did any of them (bar Alison) at the point of signing did you think that was a top player who would elevate them?

There's more players around than you think, especially in team orientated systems.

Completely agree. Almost all of Liverpool's players have developed into what they've become at Liverpool. They weren't purchased as ready made. And even whilst they have some top players now, they are incredibly strong as a team. Somebody as talented as Hazard I don't think would work at Liverpool because he wouldn't be prepared to press as intensely as Mane does. They've not focused necessarily on who the best player available on the market is, but who is the best fit for them. 

Spurs built a lot of their own side in a similar way too (Alli, Son, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Alderweireld, etc).

The key thing for me though with both cases above was the level of continuity that allowed these players time and patience to develop and grow.

Compare that to us where we went from buying young after the Champions League win (De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Oscar, Hazard, Azpi, etc) to Mourinho who doesn't have time for younger players and wants ready made experience (Fabregas, Costa) to Conte with a very specific system to Sarri who plays a completely different style to now Lampard who is similar in some aspects to Sarri but clearly wants to play with more pace and energy. We've made some bad blunders in the transfer market but they haven't been helped by some huge changes. As an example we brought wing backs for Conte in Alonso and Zappa who simply aren't good enough full backs now we've changed to a back four. Bakayoko and Drinkwater were purchased specific for Conte but both are technically limited and have no chance since Sarri and then Lampard have come in.

I have no problem with buying players who aren't in the mould of ready made players already in their prime and I'm quite happy to go for a player who might not be everybody's first choice on paper but suits Lampard and his style. So long as there is continuity. Even if Lampard was to completely flop and be replaced, someone else similar in their methods needs to be installed (i.e. attacking football, happy to use the young players, etc) so we're not back to square one yet again.