Chelsea Transfers

[King Kante 1,643]

2 hours ago, Pizy said:

Other than the obvious (a proven striker) I wonder if the club should prioritize another CB with a shit load of experience to replace Silva rather than going really young there? 

But who. I know Hermoso is on a free but I haven't seen him for a while and not sure from what I recollect if he would fit into the side....

[Fernando 6,585]

We should try to get Marquinhos. 

He is the experience that we need. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Yes, and for next fiscal year we can use Maatsen and Broja. That's 60-75m pure profit depending how much is Broja. 

So don't understand why is Gallagher always used as must sell for profit. 

I think getting over £60-65m mark for both Maatsen and Broja will be unlikely. 

Dortmund will probably try and low ball us for Maatsen. Also if the player is desperate to go back therr, the opportunity to get a deal in place for less than this release clause may be a real possibility. 

Going from recent quotes from his agent, they already know that the club want to cash in on him. No doubt, other clubs will know this and try exploit this situation as opposed to paying the apparent £30-35m release clause put in the contract when they renewed it. Maybe not but it is a hunch I have. Contract expires in 2026 too so doesn’t leave us in a brilliant position compared to Broja, who has a deal to 2028 if I remember rightly for trying to get a bigger fee. 

I think if we get £50-55m for both thats probably a fair representation of their actual value. Ballpark £30m for Broja given how his last 12 months have gone and then around £20m for Maatsen.

Really can’t see us getting much more for either. Both haven’t particularly excelled on their loans to the point where you would think there will be a bidding war or anything.

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3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think getting over £60-65m mark for both Maatsen and Broja will be unlikely. 

Dortmund will probably try and low ball us for Maatsen. Also if the player is desperate to go back therr, the opportunity to get a deal in place for less than this release clause may be a real possibility. 

Going from recent quotes from his agent, they already know that the club want to cash in on him. No doubt, other clubs will know this and try exploit this situation as opposed to paying the apparent £30-35m release clause put in the contract when they renewed it. Maybe not but it is a hunch I have. Contract expires in 2026 too so doesn’t leave us in a brilliant position compared to Broja, who has a deal to 2028 if I remember rightly for trying to get a bigger fee. 

I think if we get £50-55m for both thats probably a fair representation of their actual value. Ballpark £30m for Broja given how his last 12 months have gone and then around £20m for Maatsen.

Really can’t see us getting much more for either. Both haven’t particularly excelled on their loans to the point where you would think there will be a bidding war or anything.

The fee fixed for Maatsen was 30m pounds when he signed the loan. I think Dortmund will pay that. Don't know where Broja's valuation is right now after the season

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5 hours ago, Fernando said:

We should try to get Marquinhos. 

He is the experience that we need. 

Ship sailed long ago imo. Good defender but hasn't had a good couple of years now

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13 hours ago, Mário César said:

no way real gets reece james next season

first they need to check if he can play a single season without injuries...

Madrid plans are usually clear in advance. Think Mbappe and Davies this summer.

 

[Mhsc 1,098]

Wonder if we can afford Florian Wirtz? 

[King Kante 1,643]

3 hours ago, Mhsc said:

Wonder if we can afford Florian Wirtz? 

I cannot see it. £100m minimum and we keep signing 12 year old Brazilians who play in AM for tens of millions. 

He will likely go to a City, Bayern, Arsenal (if they have another solid year) I.e. a stable team ready to compete straight away next year. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think getting over £60-65m mark for both Maatsen and Broja will be unlikely. 

Dortmund will probably try and low ball us for Maatsen. Also if the player is desperate to go back therr, the opportunity to get a deal in place for less than this release clause may be a real possibility. 

Going from recent quotes from his agent, they already know that the club want to cash in on him. No doubt, other clubs will know this and try exploit this situation as opposed to paying the apparent £30-35m release clause put in the contract when they renewed it. Maybe not but it is a hunch I have. Contract expires in 2026 too so doesn’t leave us in a brilliant position compared to Broja, who has a deal to 2028 if I remember rightly for trying to get a bigger fee. 

I think if we get £50-55m for both thats probably a fair representation of their actual value. Ballpark £30m for Broja given how his last 12 months have gone and then around £20m for Maatsen.

Really can’t see us getting much more for either. Both haven’t particularly excelled on their loans to the point where you would think there will be a bidding war or anything.

I'll eat my shoe if we get more than 20m for Broja. 

[Mhsc 1,098]

3 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I'll eat my shoe if we get more than 20m for Broja. 

£20m would be a miracle, unless he actually finally does something in his career. He is 22 and turns 23 in summer. He will probably end up playing in the Championship and have a reasonable career there and maybe get a few years in the PL later in his career, by which time maybe he has developed enough to get 10-ish goals a season.

[NikkiCFC 8,336]

27 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I'll eat my shoe if we get more than 20m for Broja. 

 

20 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

£20m would be a miracle, unless he actually finally does something in his career. He is 22 and turns 23 in summer. He will probably end up playing in the Championship and have a reasonable career there and maybe get a few years in the PL later in his career, by which time maybe he has developed enough to get 10-ish goals a season.

Chelsea put £50m price tag on striker Armando Broja

This was just 4 months ago. You don't get 4m loan fee for half a season for someone worth 20m.

WH was also interested, Wolves, some Italian clubs. Problem is he didn't play this season plus injuries before. In Southampton he showed he can score goals in PL. It would be best another loan next season where he will play to increase value. And after that we can easily demand 35m or something. 

Edited May 13, 2024 by NikkiCFC

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

4 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Chelsea put £50m price tag on striker Armando Broja

This was just 4 months ago. You don't get 4m loan fee for half a season for someone worth 20m.

WH was also interested, Wolves, some Italian clubs. Problem is he didn't play this season plus injuries before. In Southampton he showed he can score goals in PL. It would be best another loan next season where he will play to increase value. And after that we can easily demand 35m or something. 

That loan fee was actually a penalty fee if Broja didn't get a certain amount of minutes. Broja was expected to play until Muniz hit some good form. 

Broja is a striker who suffered a horrific knee injury and has stagnated/regressed ever since. In contrast, we got Jackson for less than what we are demanding for Broja, and with PSR now in full affect clubs are going to be a lot smarter with their spending. 

Chelsea Told Asking Price For £35m Star Is 'Too Ambitious'

 

[NikkiCFC 8,336]

7 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

That loan fee was actually a penalty fee if Broja didn't get a certain amount of minutes. Broja was expected to play until Muniz hit some good form. 

But if he played he would increase his value and be sold for a lot of money. Club knew what they were doing. Protecting themselves. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

20 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

But if he played he would increase his value and be sold for a lot of money. Club knew what they were doing. Protecting themselves. 

Right, but this only furthers my point that Broja's valuation has regressed massively. 

I would say a fair valuation of him is 15-20m. 

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3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I'll eat my shoe if we get more than 20m for Broja. 

We will need photos next month 

[Mhsc 1,098]

3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Chelsea put £50m price tag on striker Armando Broja

This was just 4 months ago. You don't get 4m loan fee for half a season for someone worth 20m.

WH was also interested, Wolves, some Italian clubs. Problem is he didn't play this season plus injuries before. In Southampton he showed he can score goals in PL. It would be best another loan next season where he will play to increase value. And after that we can easily demand 35m or something. 

As MoroccanBlue has posted, there was no fee for Broja, because no one would pay one. And us putting some random price tag on him means nothing also, we have tried this with lots of players and got no where near it, it is just a negotiation tactic. Clubs will be interested if he is cheap enough, but none of these clubs are going to spend more than £20m on him up until he actually does something to deserve it. He's done nothing to earn it. You mentioned his stint at Southampton in the PL where as a striker he scored 6 goals. Lets get real. He needs to start scoring goals again if he is going to even fetch £20m. If he does and hit a little run of form going into some transfer window or another maybe we can get £30m/£35m in the future, but certainly not now.

[lluubbeenn 174]

Broja can probably be sold for about 15m. If we decide to loan him again and he scores 15 goals in the prem, his price will go up to about 30mil. If he doesn't play or doesn't score he will be worth 5 mil max. I don't believe the risk is worth it. If it isn't part of some clever accounting sell him this summer even for 12-13mil.

 

[King Kante 1,643]

55 minutes ago, lluubbeenn said:

Broja can probably be sold for about 15m. If we decide to loan him again and he scores 15 goals in the prem, his price will go up to about 30mil. If he doesn't play or doesn't score he will be worth 5 mil max. I don't believe the risk is worth it. If it isn't part of some clever accounting sell him this summer even for 12-13mil.

 

I think of all the players, Broja is the one with most upside if we keep and he has a decent season on loan. As you say, currently he is £10m-£15m, however if he has one decent season where he knocks in a few he adds £15-£35m to his price owing to him being a CF and on fairly cheap wages. 

In my opinion he should be either sent to Germany - where they play wide open football - of Soton if they come back up. Another option in the PL may be Ipswich as he is probably still better than Moore. However, the would require us to do something like sell Hutchinson to Ipswich for say £20m with a £25m buyback/first refusal - which actually probably makes more FFP sense than loaning again. 

Edited May 14, 2024 by King Kante

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[Thor 2,719]

I welcome this Brazilian buying. Get ahead of the curve and buy the next amazing generation. 

We always seem to want to buy the international squad of the players that are on the way out of their golden generation.