Chelsea Transfers

[robsblubot 3,595]

14 minutes ago, Mário César said:

rudiger and andreas were great in their last 2 season with us 

I remember both specially andreas maked a lot of mistakes in their first years 

I think our center back is not our first problem. lets see what they will do with poch

now a great goalkeeper is needed and our right back we have gusto as a reece backup 

in our left we have chilwell, cucurella (yeah weak but ok) and hall 

we have 3 great prospect defenders (fofana, lewill and dude from monaco) and I hope they developed with poch 

we need spend in our goalkeeper, centerforward and midfielders first than focus in our defense

heh, I just don't see mistakes, or the lack thereof, being that important for CBs in today's game. While I agree that CBs should not be error-prone, CB mistakes are always relative to the level of protection, style of play, overall team play, and opposition level. None of our CBs have the ability to join the midfield and push the team forward like Rudiger did.

If you watch City play, their CBs are often exchanging passes just outside the opposition box out wide. A pedestrian CB at this level, esp nowadays, can be just as bad as an error-prone CB. Yes, he may look better individually (no mistakes), but the team does not work all the same.

"great prospect defenders"

I think @OneMoSalah wrote a few pages back, but what's this fascination with prospects? We are a top club and as such, we need to be signing players who have already delivered something against strong opposition. Yes, some of them look the part, but I'd say the majority of our signings have been more on the gambling side of things.

Players who are not already playing at a certain level will never develop in a club like Chelsea. They won't get the minutes for that.

For me Rudiger remains a top CB and would walk in pretty much any starting XI. Andreas, would be an addition to any roster anywhere. 

Edited June 13, 2023 by robsblubot

[Mário César 1,249]

10 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

heh, I just don't see mistakes, or the lack thereof, being that important for CBs in today's game. While I agree that CBs should not be error-prone, CB mistakes are always relative to the level of protection, style of play, overall team play, and opposition level. None of our CBs have the ability to join the midfield and push the team forward like Rudiger did.

If you watch City play, their CBs are often exchanging passes just outside the opposition box out wide. A pedestrian CB at this level, esp nowadays, can be just as bad as an error-prone CB. Yes, he may look better individually (no mistakes), but the team does not work all the same.

"great prospect defenders"

I think @OneMoSalah wrote a few pages back, but what's this fascination with prospects? We are a top club and as such, we need to be signing players who have already delivered something against strong opposition. Yes, some of them look the part, but I'd say the majority of our signings have been more on the gambling side of things.

Players who are not already playing at a certain level will never develop in a club like Chelsea. They won't get the minutes for that.

For me Rudiger remains a top CB and would walk in pretty much any starting XI. Andreas, would be an addition to any roster anywhere. 

what do you suggest?

buy more center backs? 

[Duppy Conqueror 1,532]

Man City CB's are generally highly rated but they play safe in the mind that if they should concede one goal they still likely to win the game. For ours that probably wasnt the case in many games.the better we get infront of them i think ours be allowed to shine.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Mbappe set to leave PSG.

[Mário César 1,249]

inter want koulibaly on loan

fuck them 

[Vegetable 830]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

For me Rudiger remains a top CB and would walk in pretty much any starting XI. Andreas, would be an addition to any roster anywhere. 

I still hold onto my opinion that Rudi was vastly overperforming in Tuchel's system/presence, but credit due, he had one thing that we sorely lack now - he was freaking annoying. You are right that pace of mind is a great help for CB and he was somewhat providing it to entire team, stripping our rivals of it - he would fight, he'd be menace to opposition, he'd be shithousing all day long.

KK did it to some extent in Serie A, but here it's completely not there. The "prospects" are fine, but new owner's vision is pushing us into ambitious 11 school choir boys, while on our level, we should aim into team of 11 cold pros or 11 Diego Costas (or mix of both). It's been said million times here already - we lack mentality way more than we lack skill or talent.

[Reddish-Blue 2,496]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

heh, I just don't see mistakes, or the lack thereof, being that important for CBs in today's game. While I agree that CBs should not be error-prone, CB mistakes are always relative to the level of protection, style of play, overall team play, and opposition level. None of our CBs have the ability to join the midfield and push the team forward like Rudiger did.

If you watch City play, their CBs are often exchanging passes just outside the opposition box out wide. A pedestrian CB at this level, esp nowadays, can be just as bad as an error-prone CB. Yes, he may look better individually (no mistakes), but the team does not work all the same.

"great prospect defenders"

I think @OneMoSalah wrote a few pages back, but what's this fascination with prospects? We are a top club and as such, we need to be signing players who have already delivered something against strong opposition. Yes, some of them look the part, but I'd say the majority of our signings have been more on the gambling side of things.

Players who are not already playing at a certain level will never develop in a club like Chelsea. They won't get the minutes for that.

For me Rudiger remains a top CB and would walk in pretty much any starting XI. Andreas, would be an addition to any roster anywhere. 

@robsblubot agree with your points about signing more established players ready to come in and play from day 1 but the problem is, we tried that route with Koulibaly and now we're stuck with an ageing defender getting 300k a week and very likely playing 20 games a season. 

Andreas screwed the club over by initially verbally agreeing to sign a contract extension, then asking for a shorter extension then just declining the offer altogether and leaving us on a free for Barca.  The guy was an academy player and could have at least signed a 1 year deal to get us a transfer fee but he didn't and left us with a huge hole at CB which we're still trying to solve.  I'm not convinced on Fofana just yet.   Badiashile looks solid and Colwill be a huge addition as he's got all the tools to be a very very good defender. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Mário César said:

what do you suggest?

buy more center backs? 

Not more, better. Thiago Silva isn't getting any younger and his ability to drive the team forward is limited to say the least. The others, like you said, are mere prospects who can improve, but at their own pace. The question remains: is this a good enough status quo for a top club? Perhaps it is due to the transition period (in leadership too), but I can't imagine disputing with the top clubs like this.

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

I still hold onto my opinion that Rudi was vastly overperforming in Tuchel's system/presence, but credit due, he had one thing that we sorely lack now - he was freaking annoying. You are right that pace of mind is a great help for CB and he was somewhat providing it to entire team, stripping our rivals of it - he would fight, he'd be menace to opposition, he'd be shithousing all day long.

KK did it to some extent in Serie A, but here it's completely not there. The "prospects" are fine, but new owner's vision is pushing us into ambitious 11 school choir boys, while on our level, we should aim into team of 11 cold pros or 11 Diego Costas (or mix of both). It's been said million times here already - we lack mentality way more than we lack skill or talent.

I think Rudiger also has that rare Pace for a CB; he is doing well at RM too.
Was never a big fan of KK and was shocked by his form when he joined. Looks too heavy and old to be playing at this level. Maybe in a low block situ, but few teams play like that these days.

yeah I suspect it's just another thing the owner is completely clueless about in football (his soccer) and at this level. These players will never develop unless they can already deliver at a certain level on the get go. Some say Mudryk has been unlucky that he joined us at this time, but that's relative. He perhaps got more minutes because of the situation.

I agree that the right answer is always a mix between experienced and young, and all playing at a certain level. This is something folks here miss a lot: experience matters esp in big games. Players who have already experienced those situation, and succeeded, are more likely to succeed again. It's not easy to be under pressure and people react differently to that.

[robsblubot 3,595]

9 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

@robsblubot agree with your points about signing more established players ready to come in and play from day 1 but the problem is, we tried that route with Koulibaly and now we're stuck with an ageing defender getting 300k a week and very likely playing 20 games a season. 

Andreas screwed the club over by initially verbally agreeing to sign a contract extension, then asking for a shorter extension then just declining the offer altogether and leaving us on a free for Barca.  The guy was an academy player and could have at least signed a 1 year deal to get us a transfer fee but he didn't and left us with a huge hole at CB which we're still trying to solve.  I'm not convinced on Fofana just yet.   Badiashile looks solid and Colwill be a huge addition as he's got all the tools to be a very very good defender. 

Well, KK was just a bad signing. We should've done better.

I do not think Thiago Silva is the same player he once was. He's been relying on his great reading more than usual, but is already playing a more limited CB role than before.

Badiashile looks good, but it's always a big question-mark as how these players respond in an away game at Madrid. We know how the now much-maligned Azpi does, because he's faced that challenge countless times before, but it's always a big test for the young.

Another example is Kova: we knew how he did in big games, because our scouts saw that. We don't know how players who come from say Brighton will do in the same situation because they never faced that challenge before. I'm not saying we should not bet on promising young talents, but doing only that won't quite work either.

Edited June 13, 2023 by robsblubot

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[OneMoSalah 8,885]

38 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

@robsblubot agree with your points about signing more established players ready to come in and play from day 1 but the problem is, we tried that route with Koulibaly and now we're stuck with an ageing defender getting 300k a week and very likely playing 20 games a season. 

Andreas screwed the club over by initially verbally agreeing to sign a contract extension, then asking for a shorter extension then just declining the offer altogether and leaving us on a free for Barca.  The guy was an academy player and could have at least signed a 1 year deal to get us a transfer fee but he didn't and left us with a huge hole at CB which we're still trying to solve.  I'm not convinced on Fofana just yet.   Badiashile looks solid and Colwill be a huge addition as he's got all the tools to be a very very good defender. 

Koulibaly is in his 30s though. You can buy players over the age of 21 and under the age of 30….

[Clockwork 1,794]

Stop dealing with Inter unless they want to buy players. 
 

They have already scammed us enough. Sold a player for 100m and a year later got him back on a loan, they won’t even give back 1/4 of the fee.

we should put all on our energy in convincing him to head out to Saudi or another team.

minus the CL final, Lukaku had a good finish toward end of the season.

KK will be another older after a loan, less incentive for another team to buy him.

 

 

[LAM09 7,043]

49 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Stop dealing with Inter unless they want to buy players. 
 

They have already scammed us enough. Sold a player for 100m and a year later got him back on a loan, they won’t even give back 1/4 of the fee.

we should put all on our energy in convincing him to head out to Saudi or another team.

minus the CL final, Lukaku had a good finish toward end of the season.

KK will be another older after a loan, less incentive for another team to buy him.

 

 

This could be said about all Italian teams. They constantly want players on loan or to buy them at a massive discount. 

[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

This could be said about all Italian teams. They constantly want players on loan or to buy them at a massive discount. 

I can't really blame them if I'm honest.

We have massive TV deals in this country and they're all skint by comparison to even the lower teams. If the boot was on the other foot we'd want our board to try and make similar good of a bad situation.

[LAM09 7,043]

10 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I can't really blame them if I'm honest.

We have massive TV deals in this country and they're all skint by comparison to even the lower teams. If the boot was on the other foot we'd want our board to try and make similar good of a bad situation.

Most of them don't even have their own stadiums either, so they lose out on a large amount of ticket revenue as well. The issue I have is that it's a constant, regardless of who it is. Just read up on Roma's interest in Scamacca, someone who was seemingly close to joining PSG less than 12 months ago.

All deals with Italian sides should include an obligation to buy, so we aren't stuck with players like Baka & Lukaku bouncing around in Serie A.

Edited June 14, 2023 by LAM09